I'm pretty impressed with the way Wes has been able to avoid mentioning GOD or HIS WORD, when it's what he's been talking about this whole time.
I wonder why. I guess he's smart enough to know that invoking an imaginary, mythical overlord would hurt his credibility.
Wes - here's how I see it. There is both objective and subjective morality.
Some things are black & white - clearly right or wrong. Others are more of a gray area and open to debate.
One problem I have with your stance is that you seem to believe that, when it comes to intoxicating substances, use = abuse.
It is possible to use these substances responsibly and suffer no ill effects.
To say that because they cause some people to do harm to themselves and others, then it's wrong for anyone to use them is misguided.
After all, one could say that many, many people over the centuries have abused the bible to do harm to others, and therefore to advocate it's use is objectively wrong.
In fact, this is where I stand - but I realize that this is my subjective opinion.
You said, "It is not me who makes the rules. I am not the one who says what is right and wrong but the one who created you gets that privilege."
I have to agree with you there. My parents, who created me, did a great job of teaching me how to figure out for myself what is right and wrong.
One of the things I've come to learn in recent years is that religion is wrong, and in fact immoral. (Sorry to generalize, I'm sure there are exceptions - I suppose I should have said Theism and/or Deism, and not "religion".)
Christians, in particular, tend to be the least Christ-like people so few actually practice what they preach.
I don't believe the bible is God's word - I don't believe in God. While I believe Jesus may have been a real person, I don't believe in his divinity or the stories in the Gospels.
That being said, I agree with what he is purported to have taught.
The lessons credited to him are the basic, objective morals, and everyone should aspire to live by them. In practice, however, things become more subjective.
Wes - I can only presume that you are an indoctrinated Christian - maybe I'm wrong and your philosophy exists outside of religious doctrine, but if so, who is the "moral law giver"?
If I presume correctly, then you have been brain-washed and mislead by charlatans and should really reexamine your beliefs and try to learn to think for yourself.
Anyway, I'll stop there - sorry Wooters - this is a huge subject, one that I'm passionate about, and one that probably doesn't belong here.