lwang wrote:From the picture of the silicondust tuner, the connector that sticks out looks like it can connect to my antenna/game switcher, then the 2 fork connectors coming out of the swticher can be attached to the 2 screws on my TV. The switcher I am talking about:

The HDHomerun tuner has an F-type coax connector for cable (input) connection, a USB connector for SDV ("Head-end controller"), an RJ-45 Ethernet connector, a DC barrel power connector, and CableCard port, on order in the rear connections picture.

Anything that uses the RF switch you showed is not compatible, so save yourself the effort. Dude, its been 12 years. Join us in the 21st century!

I'm using a $100 Vulkano Flow with Time Warner cable, to placeshift my cable TV service so that my in-laws can watch ESPN at their house. It works great, but does require me to pay $11/month for the additional cable box, plus at least $3/month in eletricity, since the cable box consumes so many watts 24/7. On the plus side, the Vulkano delivers all content (including on-demand) to both Windows and Mac with no DRM to worry about.

I'm buying this Silicondust device to allow the other in-laws to also tap into our cable service. Cablecard should be only be about $3 and electric only about 50-cents. Will be using a dd-wrt router to let them connect over VPN from their Windows 7 desktop.

satyenshah wrote:I'm using a $100 Vulkano Flow with Time Warner cable, to placeshift my cable TV service so that my in-laws can watch ESPN at their house. It works great, but does require me to pay $11/month for the additional cable box, plus at least $3/month in eletricity, since the cable box consumes so many watts 24/7. On the plus side, the Vulkano delivers all content (including on-demand) to both Windows and Mac with no DRM to worry about.

I'm buying this Silicondust device to allow the other in-laws to also tap into our cable service. Cablecard should be only be about $3 and electric only about 50-cents. Will be using a dd-wrt router to let them connect over VPN from their Windows 7 desktop.

Dude, seriously???

Serving TV streams around the house will work, trying to serve those streams to the internet will not.

Jim

psm321 wrote:Anyone know what the copy protection settings are like on Comcast systems?

Corporate policy at Comcast is for all non-premium channels to be "copy freely". If you find that something that should be "copy freely" is instead marked "copy once", you can contact Comcast ( we_can_help@comcast.com was the one that finally worked, after some time) and they will (eventually) have it changed. And learn from my experience - things like Encore, while they are included as part of the digital package, are still considered "premium" channels, so if you notice that some Encore channels are "copy freely" and some are "copy once", DON'T point this out, because you will end up with ALL of them "copy once".

psm321 wrote:Also, does this take one CableCARD or 3?

It takes one Mcard - I believe the "M" stands for "multi".

@satyenshah

What kind of internet connection do you have? I've heard these take up a quite a bit of bandwidth.

Yup. I've got two HTPC's hooked up to it. One in the living room, one in the bed room. They can each watch different channels.

SJPadbury wrote:Ok, I'm looking at using this to display content (potentially 2 different channels) on 2 different TV's simultaneously. Both have PCs hooked up to them currently. Can 2 different media center PCs each control a tuner on here? Or will 1 have to be set up as the main, and then can the other act as an Extender, or can only the X-Box do that?

MCEBuddy is your friend from non-Copy-Once content.

You can write a script that will convert all WTV content to MP4 / h264 after a week or so.

That way you give yourself a week to watch in full def, but save space on the stuff you care less about. (archiving Seinfeld re-runs, for instance)

jon98gn wrote:FUN FACT: Verizon FIOS apparently doesn't set the Content Protected flag to On, so you should be able to download it onto one PC and watch it on another without any problem. The only annoying part is that it's in wtv format if you use windows media center which takes up a lot of space and of course not compatible on quite a few other devices.

Unfortunately my local COX TV service's cable cards can only handle 2 streams at once. So, I can only use two tuners at once.

A few notes for clarification since there's a fair amount of misinformation flying around:

* The HDHR Prime does not do OTA (Over The Air). It is capable of working as a ClearQAM tuner if no cablecard is inserted.

* The HDHR Prime can be used with WMC 7, but not with Windows Vista or XP.

* The HDHR Prime can be used with MythTV in Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X. The experience will vary from excellent (most Comcast regions) to awful (most TWC regions) based on how much of the content is set to copy-freely.

* Comcast policy is (generally) to mark all non-premiums, which is everything but HBO/Showtime/Cinemax as copy-freely.

* Time Warner Cable, Brighthouse, and most of Cox policy is (generally) to mark all non-local channels as copy-once (making it usable only in WMC 7).

* The HDHR Prime delivers the digital stream, exactly as the cable provider sends it, to the PC. The bitrate of this stream makes delivering the content over the internet difficult to impossible. The HDHR Prime is not a slingbox/placeshifting device. To view the content on a mobile device, you must employ intermediary software (like a hobbyist DVR and a mobile app).

* The HDHR Prime works with QAM cable systems only. This includes Comcast, FiOS, TWC, Brighthouse, WOW, RCN, and others.

* The HDHR Prime does not work with satellite or IPTV systems. This includes DirecTV, Dish, uVerse, and others.

* It is strongly recommended to use a wired network between the HDHR and the recording system (DVR) or viewer. Bitrates are high and sensitive to delay. Data loss may occur in recording or playback if using a wireless or unreliable network.

* It is not "illegal" for your cable provider to mark channels as copy-once (usable only in Windows Media Center). It's just unfriendly and bad business not to support third party apps.

* All cable providers are obliged to provide M-cards, though they may charge a nominal fee. This generally ranges from $1-8.

* All cablecards support at least three streams/tuners. All Tuning adapters must support at least four streams. If your provider claims not to support all the tuners of the HDHR Prime, they are out of compliance with FCC regulations. Complain. Loudly.

* Users MUST BE PERSISTENT in getting their CableCards activated and paired with the device. It is not uncommon for the engineer to be unfamiliar with the pairing process. OCUR devices (of which the HDHR Prime is one) are passive devices. They cannot communicate back to the provider, so do not listen when told that the engineer can "see" your device is working and be tricked into getting off the phone. If you can't view channels (tune around! More than just the broadcast channels!), don't let the engineer go. You may have to demand a "DAC Init," or a "Grand Slam Init."

* Make use of the HDHR Prime web page in troubleshooting. The log will tell you when the device is paired, activated, and authenticated. If all three aren't "success," don't let the cable engineer go!

And most importantly...

This is a great device! Don't give up when dealing with the cable company, it's worth it!

This would be a great device if I had use of a tuner. All my tv comes in via internet. No tuner needed.

Now I just need that xoom to come back so I could buy it Since I messed up yesterday & went to buy & it was sold out. LOL

Atleast I got a Box of Crusaders coming.

ttfitz wrote:Corporate policy at Comcast is for all non-premium channels to be "copy freely". If you find that something that should be "copy freely" is instead marked "copy once", you can contact Comcast ( we_can_help@comcast.com was the one that finally worked, after some time) and they will (eventually) have it changed. And learn from my experience - things like Encore, while they are included as part of the digital package, are still considered "premium" channels, so if you notice that some Encore channels are "copy freely" and some are "copy once", DON'T point this out, because you will end up with ALL of them "copy once".

It takes one Mcard - I believe the "M" stands for "multi".

Thanks!

I'm really confused with all of this. My computer (Win7) is in a different room than my main TV. Both are connected to my home network. I'm not interested in watching TV on my computer, just my main TV. If I connect this tuner device to my network and I have an Xbox 360 connected to my TV, will I be able to make use of this tuner? I want to be able to program the device, record and watch shows from my TV (not from my computer). Will the Xbox 360 connected to my TV and my network allow me to do this? Will the Xbox give me access to the programming guide in the Window 7 Media Center?

charlesfro wrote:
2: I'm not too concerned about #1, as I plan to use a dedicated, always-on HTPC (I was thinking an ASUS or Lenovo Atom-powered PC w/HDD's as needed - any problems there?) with a few Xbox 360's throughout the house for the On Demand stuff. Will I...
a)... have any issues using On Demand/ HBO apps only renting a CableCard rather than cableboxes?
b)... be able to access those video applications tied to my Xbox Live account simultaneously on multiple 360's without signing in/out constantly (I know this question's off-topic from the product, but you fellas/gals seem pretty smart)?

3: To insure a strong signal/good bandwidth throughout the house I may use a wireless access point in part of the house (in addition to the primary wireless router). Will...
a)... the HDHomeRun/HTPC/360's play nice with this setup (keeping in mind some extenders will be using the access point rather than the primary network)?
b)... using a "G" router rather than an "N" router as the secondary access point confuse things and/or cripple my speeds/bandwidth on the entire network or just off the access point?

If you read this whole thing, thanks, and no need to try and answer everything - I'll take what I can get!

As for 2a. You will need to retain one normal cable box for the Xfinity TV app to function correctly on Xbox, this is a limitation in the billing system.
2b. As far as using multiple xboxes with one Xbox live gold account. I am fairly sure this will not work. as it will log you out of the existing session as soon as it tries to sign you into the new one.
3a. this shouldn't matter so long as your network is configured correctly and yo0u are not trying to use more than one DHCP server. I use an old linksys wireless G for added coverage in my upstairs and I have no issues with this. The use of of g or n should not matter wif you correctly configure your network be sure not to overlap your wireless channels etc. For example use channel 1 on the N and ch 6 or ch11 on the other.
http://www.tested.com/news/how-to/298-how-to-use-an-old-router-to-expand-your-wi-fi-network/

Just need to know if I can record channels direct to a Network attached storage, or is it recorded only to the Windows HDD?

TheTimmy wrote:I got the dual-tuner version of this last time it was here on woot.. came in much sooner than expected, too!

This is because you live in DFW, which puts you at most 45 minutes away from Woot's warehouse and a major USPS hub. It has its perks.

I haven't tried it with an antenna, still getting around to that, but I DID plug it directly into a friend's cable line (time warner) -- she subscribes to internet only, and I was still able to watch TV.

[plugging the dual-tuner version of this box into the cable line of a Time Warner internet only cable subscriber (Dallas/Fort Worth area)]
FOX, NBC, ABC, CW, Telemundo, Univision, CBS, MustBe21, KERA, C-Span3, C-Span2, C-Span, TV Land, 5 religious channels, 3 other spanish channels, Ion, WFAA-2, WFAA-3, KERA World, shopping stuff and Discovery.

Here's what's happening here. First, your friend may only subscribe to internet, but Time Warner has no way of stopping themselves from sending you the basic/extended basic TV lineup with that internet. So the box isn't doing anything magical, it's just seeing what's always been there (and your friend could see it if she plugged the cable in to the TV).

What might make the crucial difference here is what you mean by "plugged directly in to [her] cable line". If you removed the cable from her modem and plugged it in to your box, and that's all you found, that thing may not be working as well as it should. My old Pinnacle stick (and my new TV) can both find more channels than that-- some of them duplicates, some of them not. A couple of music channels, comedy central, some others.

Or it could be that your friend has a weak signal, because she's not paying for cable tv.

can someone tell me if splitting off from the cable modem's line would produce better/worse/different results than plugging into the regular TV line for cable internet subscribers?

If you're in a home, you've got a pretty decent shot of being able to plug it in anywhere and getting a decent signal. If you're in an apartment, you might need a booster, and almost certainly will need a splitter, since there's no pass-through on the box (and I doubt the cable company left you one). Without a signal booster, you will experience a big downgrade in performance-- either an interminably weak TV signal that provides Telemundo HD and maybe another local affiliate if downstream from the router, or bad connections/slow speeds if it's upstream. TV is bandwidth intensive.

Nothing to do with this woot. Does anybody really ever get the bags of crap? Every time I try, it is either "sold out" or there is some type of malfunction with the web site ("overload" or something). Funny there is never a problem when I am buying anything else! Maybe it's just me. If so, I don't give a crap.

phollard wrote:I'm really confused with all of this. My computer (Win7) is in a different room than my main TV. Both are connected to my home network. I'm not interested in watching TV on my computer, just my main TV. If I connect this tuner device to my network and I have an Xbox 360 connected to my TV, will I be able to make use of this tuner? I want to be able to program the device, record and watch shows from my TV (not from my computer). Will the Xbox 360 connected to my TV and my network allow me to do this? Will the Xbox give me access to the programming guide in the Window 7 Media Center?

Your Windows 7 computer will be doing all of the actual recording. It will then stream tv both live and prerecorded to your Xbox. Meaning your computer will need to be on for your Xbox to view TV. The Xbox Media Center is full featured, you can do all of the show management and recording setup etc from there.

chuckoben wrote:Nothing to do with this woot. Does anybody really ever get the bags of crap? Every time I try, it is either "sold out" or there is some type of malfunction with the web site ("overload" or something). Funny there is never a problem when I am buying anything else! Maybe it's just me. If so, I don't give a crap.

Because everyone in the world isn't trying to buy the same item at the same time when you buy other woots. The bags were tough to get 5 years ago, and they're even tougher to get now. You basically have to assume that by the time you see the picture, they're sold out. There are hundreds of thousands of wooters, and 3-10k Bundles of Clones, sold in threes. You do the math.

chuckoben wrote:Nothing to do with this woot. Does anybody really ever get the bags of crap? Every time I try, it is either "sold out" or there is some type of malfunction with the web site ("overload" or something). Funny there is never a problem when I am buying anything else! Maybe it's just me. If so, I don't give a crap.

Yes people actually do.
Brick of Carbonite 5/23/12
Thats mine.
You just have to have all your stuff saved & hit it right away. Also make sure your logged in at the same time lol.

I still wish I would have bought the xoom.

satyenshah wrote:I'm using a $100 Vulkano Flow with Time Warner cable, to placeshift my cable TV service so that my in-laws can watch ESPN at their house. It works great, but does require me to pay $11/month for the additional cable box, plus at least $3/month in eletricity, since the cable box consumes so many watts 24/7. On the plus side, the Vulkano delivers all content (including on-demand) to both Windows and Mac with no DRM to worry about.

I'm buying this Silicondust device to allow the other in-laws to also tap into our cable service. Cablecard should be only be about $3 and electric only about 50-cents. Will be using a dd-wrt router to let them connect over VPN from their Windows 7 desktop.

What your talking about is probably illegal. However you can set up a VPN to accomplish what your trying to do.

That said, your internet upstream is not going to be able to support the uncompressed HD streams that the HDPrime is going to generate. This device does not re-encode video or compress it for web delivery like a sling box does. You are going to be up-streaming approx 6 gigs an hour for HD-TV. 16-13Mbps per channel. SD channels are significantly lower bit rate.

Maybe look into RemotePotato. It uses Silverlight to re-encode for web delivery to any web browser. remotepotato.com

Here's my situation. Verizon Fios and 4 tvs. Windows 7 laptop.

If I buy this, what else do I need to do to get rid of all 4 cable boxes, distribute tv signals to all Tvs, enable each Tv to view a different channel, and store downloaded data to a large USB HDD?

Thanks

I have Verizon FIOS and I travel for business a lot.

What I need more than anything else is the ability to record shows, copy them to my travel laptop and take them with me to watch on the airplane and hotels.

Will recording from FIOS be transportable this way?

caseyd wrote:Unfortunately my local COX TV service's cable cards can only handle 2 streams at once. So, I can only use two tuners at once.

This is not correct. All Cox markets have M-CARD CableCARDS which support 6 Tuners.

Also if you are using a SDV Tuning Adapter they also support 6 Tuners. Prior to Sept 2011, it was true that the Cisco Tuning Adapter only supported 2 Tuners, But that is no longer the case.

I think I've been looking for something like this in the house. My cable comes my house in the family room. I've got a digital cable box (Time Warner) and a plasma tv there. To get cable into my office for my cable modem and TV tuner (using a splitter), I have run an ugly cable over my fireplace mantle, along the floor and through the wall to my den next door. I could easily put my cable modem in the room with the TV and connect wirelessly, but looking for a way to send a TV signal into my office as well. So, questions.

1) does this sound like what I need?

2) would this attach to my cable before or after my tuner...or maybe split.

3) would this keep me from watching tv off that cable box in that room? I think slingbox takes control of the box, which I wouldn't want. I want Win7 computer and cable box/tv to work independently.

Thanks for your help

I use comcast and they wanted to charge 9 bucks a month to rent me a cable card for the HDHR. Bought one off of ebay for $13. So it paid for itself in about 1.5 months. Took about a week and a half of calling to actually get it to work, but all channels, including HBO look great on it with Win7. Use wired or powerline ethernet though. Wireless N does not give a good signal. Nothing to do with bandwidth. Something about packet loss. Just pops up grey over half of the screen randomly.

The broadcast networks for sure are copy freely. It may depend on the cable company or network. On my system, everything except the major networks that are also available over the air, is restricted. These restrictions also prevent making DVDs or playing on extenders.

Despite the copy restrictions, this unit works fantastic. Every computer* on your network has access to your full subscribed cable line up as long as one of the three tuners are not already in use.

* Be sure you run the digital cable advisor to see if your computer passes the minimum requirements. If not, Media Center will not give you access to the tuner.

caseyd wrote:Unfortunately my local COX TV service's cable cards can only handle 2 streams at once. So, I can only use two tuners at once.

They must be very old cards. Be sure they provide you with "Multi Stream Cards". The new FCC standard is a minimum of 4 streams on the card (soon to become 6). The HD Home Prime is designed to tap into 3 only.

johnnymadass wrote:As for 2a. You will need to retain one normal cable box for the Xfinity TV app to function correctly on Xbox, this is a limitation in the billing system.
2b. As far as using multiple xboxes with one Xbox live gold account. I am fairly sure this will not work. as it will log you out of the existing session as soon as it tries to sign you into the new one.
3a. this shouldn't matter so long as your network is configured correctly and yo0u are not trying to use more than one DHCP server. I use an old linksys wireless G for added coverage in my upstairs and I have no issues with this. The use of of g or n should not matter wif you correctly configure your network be sure not to overlap your wireless channels etc. For example use channel 1 on the N and ch 6 or ch11 on the other.
http://www.tested.com/news/how-to/298-how-to-use-an-old-router-to-expand-your-wi-fi-network/

For 2b - you can try using free Silver level accounts - I have 4 Xbox 360's and I have tested 2 already with Media Center as extenders and both my Gold and Silver accounts connected without a problem. Now other Xbox video apps may require Gold level to work but that would not matter for the use of the HDHomerun Prime as the PC is the brain of the operation.

Second point/question - if you put a slingbox between the Xbox/PC and the TV, I believe it would sling the signal to any remote connection you want to watch from. I am not sure about the remote control functionality as that may not work with an Xbox but it would be an interesting test.

Will it ever? I just bought 2 of these this month, and I love them. But, I'm returning one of them because I bought mine for $209 instead of $129. And I'm still in the return window. So, I get to save myself $80! Thank you Mr. Woot.

The cable company was my big hangup, it took cussing and threatening to get them to fix my signal strength problems.

As I said, I have 2 of these devices, so I have six tuners (You need Tuner Salad, for WMC on Win 7 to use up to 12 tuners) to share around my house. But the additional splitters caused enough degradation of the signal, that my basic channels were not coming through. All is well now.

Here's what you need for a rocking Whole home DVR ...

1) XBox 360 as set-top boxes in every room, it's the only extender for Windows Media Center (WMC) right now. Ceton will have the Echo later in the year.
2) Get the Plugins - My Channel Logos, Media Browser, RecordedTV HD, Auto Rip N Compress, look them up.

3) PC with plenty of hard drive space, 1 Hour of HD = 1GB of space. U can also rip DVDs, I suggest Auto Rip N Compress (see above), there is a youtube vid, that shows you how to get started. **** Important, vid author says to use MP4, forget that if you have disk space use uncompressed WTV, only format I got to work with XBOX and PC and it makes fast work of ripping your DVDs, under 20 minutes in some cases.

4) More than 2 Prime Boxes, you need Tuner Salad.

The best part my cable bill will drop about $70 a month!!! No more monthly DVR fees.

The catch ?!!!

1) Can't watch a show for 10 minutes, hit the record button and have it record the 10 minutes already in the buffer, it records from where you are in the show.
2) You need to get XBox's as extenders, if you have them great, otherwise they are expensive.
3) Works best when you are on a wired connection, I get Network timeout (very infrequently), once for 5 seconds in a 4 hour watching session. If this is a problem and you don't have Cat5 or Cat6 in every room of your house, I suggest Netgear Moca Bridge (Mr. Woot got any of these to sell?), allows you to use the coax line to extend your network, better speeds than the Powerline option.
4) Remote control - it's flat out hideous. Get the old school Universal Media Remote for XBox and recordedtv HD plugin. On most DVR Remotes, you have a guide button, and DVR List button for recorded content. The remotes have no button for content, if you get the recordedtv hd, then u can use the pound button (make sure you select this in the setup of RecordedTV HD, on botton right of main setup tab) to access the content page.
Still, it doesn't control everything and sometime there is a considerable lag, FOR SOME THIS MAY BE A DEAL BREAKER. Personally, I'm TRYING to FIX it or GET USED to it.

5) On the Media Browser page, it was hanging up alot and I had to go back to the Xbox Dashboard, to escape the lockup, big pain, ALMOST a DEAL BREAKER FOR ME, but once I stopped using MP4 formatted vids and went to Uncompressed WTV, it happened much less frequently. XBOX still freezes in Media Center on occasion, I'm still working out the kinks.

*** Tip ***

To make it more like a real set-top box, Goto startup option on your Xbox and tell it to start WMC on startup, this way you don't have to navigate past all the Xbox crap (Sign on, Go To Video/Apps tab and THEN select WMC). Unless you use your Xbox as an ... XBox. I don't.

Overall, the tuner device function admirably, and I give them a BIG THUMBS UP!!!

Ok, who are you and what have you done with Woot and $martpost?!? I was in for one of these on Thursday, May 24. Today, Saturday May 28, I come home to find it on my porch. Woot, I've always luved ya, but keep this up, and you'll ruin your rep for sure.

W00tyMcW00tster wrote:Ok, who are you and what have you done with Woot and $martpost?!? I was in for one of these on Thursday, May 24. Today, Saturday May 28, I come home to find it on my porch. Woot, I've always luved ya, but keep this up, and you'll ruin your rep for sure.

I think you mean saturday the 26th, but yes I got mine that fast too. Faster than the cable guys can deliver and set up my new cablecard

I have the Prime 6 Tuner (it's 2 of these in 1 box) on Mediacom and it works great! Biggest Note - Talk to Tech support when you call to activate the card(s) and Find someone that understands the term PAIRING! if you don't Pair the card to the device you won't get any of your premium channels. If you ever move the card to a different device you'll have to reactive AND repair the card, it's like pair your blue tooth headset to your mobile phone. It's unique every time. you'll need the card data which Media Center will give you as will the HDHomerun Software that comes with the unit. Yes you can connect multiple machines to the device - only need to activate it ONCE. Once this is done you can record ANY channel in your subscription! Great for HBO/STARZ etc series if you're not going to be home.. oh and movies you don't want to miss too. LOVE IT!

d1ez3 wrote:I think you mean saturday the 26th, but yes I got mine that fast too. Faster than the cable guys can deliver and set up my new cablecard

Um... yeah... But still the fastest $martpost delivery ever...

Anyone else get this shipped via UPS instead of SmartPost? The tracking link takes me to FedEx but it's a UPS tracking number.

Mine arrived today. Setup was surprisingly simple. I used a cablecard that was already activated in an internal card on another PC.

Grabbed a DHCP address and was found quickly by the 5MB client download. The unit was running the current firmware.

Media Center requires an activation code for recording the copy protected content. I used a generic code for OCUR capable motherboards off the web. Enjoy:

263DJ-2Y9YT-6X9G6-W28DB-697TF

Added a regular splitter on my modem line and it didn't affect my data rates.

jsc1968 wrote:
1) XBox 360 as set-top boxes in every room, it's the only extender for Windows Media Center (WMC) right now. Ceton will have the Echo later in the year.

All good info and thanks for the post, but Linksys DMA 2100/2200 models work fine.

I just got mine too. Kind of regretting the purchase. I thought the iPad app allowed for 3G but it doesn't. You have to be on the same LAN as the HDHomerunprime. I really could care less about watching TV on my Ipad at home. Was hoping for a more mobile solution. Anyways, I attempted to cancel my order but I guess it's too late now. Anyone want mine for 135 flat? It's unopened. I'll pay shipping out of my pocket. PM me if you are interested.

Got this back on Tuesday. It's now Friday and sadly I still cannot get the card activated with Comcast.

After going to the local Comcast twice and spending at least 3 hours on the phone, I still have no signal. I have a tech coming out on Saturday to see what could be wrong. I'm wondering if it's not getting a good enough signal and my house needs a better splitter/amplifier. I did switch out the M-Card (CableCard) and there's no difference. At least the HDHR Prime seems to be working right (it sees the card, boots up, etc) but it is NOT getting a channel list, even the lower unencrypted QAM channels.

Any experienced techies out there have any idea what could be wrong?

still waiting on my order from may 24 does all woot orders take this long?????

I've been running this thing for a few days on TWC. I've purchased several HDTV tuners over the years... This this is FINALLY what I've wanted! TWC was very helpful. If you need it activated bypass your local office and call 1866-532-2598 - Cable Card Activation.