steevieg


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mattmartell wrote:Well I have vista on my dell, I've owned it for less than a year, and I've had to reinstall my operating system literally 4 times already. That's pretty crappy.



thats interesting, i got a dell on black friday weekend, it's got vista home premium, and i've never had any signs of a faulty operating system

maybe you people having problems with Vista just don't know how to maintain a working computer well. the only problem i have with vista was getting files/folders shared, but i figured that out through microsoft website.

remember: everyone hated XP in the beginning, so i guess everyone will hate Vista as well. as for me, i like Vista. it can only get better.

izeonjesus


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cowofdoom wrote:ah, Vista isn't that bad.
And this would be worth it just to scavenge the parts. A Quad Core Intel, 3GB RAM and a massive HD would be a great start to a new build. Find a good Mobo and GPU and probably a better box and you might be able to stay under $1000.

And can I ask how many of you guys that loath Vista have it? I've got it and it hasn't been a problem for me. And I have it on an HP Laptop no less...



I do have Vista on a new Dell 720XPS and a Dell Core Duo laptop. I get mad at Vista also...especially with Bluetooth devices and not being able to find and install sinple drivers for a keyboard. BUT...all you I HATE VISTA...I LOVE XP folks out there...I remember the same screams of horror when XP first came out before any of the servive packs. You guys have a very short memory.

kefin11


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Ok, first off for all those bandwagon jumpers who hate vista. try it out first. I have had vista premium for almost a year now on a amdx2 4200 system with 3 gigs of ram and 7800gt card. Vista is the best os ive had yet. It is just about the most stable one i have used. it has never crashed on me once and i love all the new features (media center included) that it has.
I admit you need a decent system to run it, but comon, who doesnt have a good dual core system or better now. As far as being compatible, Ive played every game on it and havent had a problem yet (newer games in the last 2 years or so) and even some older ones.
There has only been one item that it had problems with as far as installing drivers go and that was a mylo personal communicator, which i just had it install as xp(which is a feature it has to let in install an item as if it needs an older os system, xp also has this feature for programs designed for older os.)
It did take a few weeks for me to learn all the new features on the os but they are great. The voice activate command is awesome if you do web serving a lot, so you dont have to type in commands or use the mouse. Anyways, give it a try for a month and yourll not want to go back to xp.

Evolution is Fact!! Religion is just Fanatical Thinking.

izeonjesus


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izeonjesus wrote:I do have Vista on a new Dell 720XPS and a Dell Core Duo laptop. I get mad at Vista also...especially with Bluetooth devices and not being able to find and install sinple drivers for a keyboard. BUT...all you I HATE VISTA...I LOVE XP folks out there...I remember the same screams of horror when XP first came out before any of the servive packs. You guys have a very short memory.



Geeze...we are of the same mind! :-)

murphdog1411


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jamesbottomtooth wrote:i dont see the tv tuner card?

and whats with PS2 ports on the bottom of all these HPs



These new HP's no longer have the MB on the right side... assuming you are facing it the front... they are mounted on the left side just upsidedown so the PS/2 is on the bottom with the PCI slots uptop with the power supply up top as well... surprised me when i went to install wireless card

bpunk88


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Here's the specs sheet direct from hp:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01077641&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3550550

Motherboard description
Motherboard manufacturer's name: ASUS IPIBL-LA
HP/Compaq name: Berkeley-GL8E

ASUS is a damn good company, I'm actually amazed HP is using quality for once. Beats the P.O.S. ECS board in the last refurb (rox0rz!) HP woot offered.

I'll pass due to lack of expandability but looks pretty decent for the average user.

Happy wooting!

nendzd


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Damn you woot! I kind of (not really) needed a media center PC and this had to go up. Guess it's going to take a bit longer to get my credit cards paid off..

I should of almost bought 2 because my friend is pretty desperate for a computer as his is an old AMD XP 1700+. If there's some still around tomorrow at 6ish I'll be able to talk to my friend and see if he wants one.

evilmicrowizard


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jjohanneson wrote:Vista haters... people. its not that bad really is it?

Yes, really, it is.

I just now kicked Vista to the curb off a laptop and got XP back onto it. What poked along previously now absolutely flies.

izeonjesus


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izeonjesus wrote:Geeze...we are of the same mind! :-)



I meant to say COWOFDOOM...we are of the same mind! :-)

whistl3r


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It's a crap shot deal. A quick spec... you're also getting more for your money, unless you need the support.



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frantix


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aznofazns wrote:Seemingly good, but in reality it's bottlenecked by its groovy power supply. I would know, as I have a lesser model that has a 250 effing W psu.



Unless you're going to add another video card like the latest ATI 38xx or nVidia 8800 the PSU should be fine. I find it odd that they put an 8400GS in the system. At least an 8600GT should be in something with all the other power!

mattmartell


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steevieg wrote:thats interesting, i got a dell on black friday weekend, it's got vista home premium, and i've never had any signs of a faulty operating system

maybe you people having problems with Vista just don't know how to maintain a working computer well. the only problem i have with vista was getting files/folders shared, but i figured that out through microsoft website.

remember: everyone hated XP in the beginning, so i guess everyone will hate Vista as well. as for me, i like Vista. it can only get better.



Oh believe me, I am careful to take care of my pc. I had a strange problem with a trojan... it infected my backups as well as my operating system. I ended up having to erase all my backup data from one of my hardrives and then reinstall the os for a fourth time to gain full functionality to my os again... I guess it wasn't vista per se but that never happened on any of my other xp systems. I am pretty much happy with alot of vista's features though. It is pretty fun to use, but alot of my hardware won't work with it which is a pain. The main thing is my bluetooth dongle and some of my older flash drives... kinda frustrates me

"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then flingest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

greene2andy


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jamesbottomtooth wrote:i dont see the tv tuner card?

and whats with PS2 ports on the bottom of all these HPs



These new HP's no longer have the MB on the right side... assuming you are facing it the front... they are mounted on the left side just upsidedown so the PS/2 is on the bottom with the PCI slots uptop with the power supply up top as well... surprised me when i went to install wireless card


Just an FYI if something happens to this motherboard, you are looking at 250 big one to replace- not many are made this way on open market yet. I work at a computer shop and we have 2 PC's with this crappy mobo design- 1 dell and 1 hp. Can't find either one for less than $250. Can't use 'normal' MOBO either, without scrapping case and starting over

evilmicrowizard


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GreenLantern wrote:... really it's only problem is that it's running Vista and you can't install XP, ...



Google for "m9040n" and "XP" - apparently some people have found drivers for most everything except the remote.

omjeremy


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There as lot of Vista hating going on here. Woah!

I've been using Vista HP on an HP slimline s3100y that I upgraded. C2DE6600, 2GB, 160GB HD +500GB external, WiFi card, Galaxy 8600GT Low Profile. It's a great machine. I haven't had many problems with Vista. XP gives me a whole lot more problems if you ask me! HP makes awesome machines. This is a really good deal. 700 bucks for this powerful a system! If you need a new machine get this one.

foxshox


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Vista is no where near that bad at all.. I have a similar spec'd computer:
e6600 OC'd
asus p5n32-sli
4 gigs of ram
8800gts+8400 gts(for 3 monitors)
720 gb in 3 hard drives

And Vista runs fantastic on all 3 screens. There are still very few applications that don't work(all obscure 3rd party programs), but dual booting xp and vista makes up for the problem. Gadgets>all.

unidentified78


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refurb (rox0rz!) sucks. There is not a good reason to go for the suped up processor if you don't play games or do graphics rendering. If you do, then it wouldn't be a great deal without SLI dual graphics cards. If you want to pop in two high level graphics cards (8400's aren't SLI compatible BTW) you will have to blow at least another $500 for 2 8600 or 8800. Obviously, the graphics cards will always be the main bottleneck for gaming and graphics. If you upgrade to SLI, it makes it well over a thousand for the system. You can build one much better for under a thousand, so why not go that route?

steevieg


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kefin11 wrote:Ok, first off for all those bandwagon jumpers who hate vista. try it out first. I have had vista premium for almost a year now on a amdx2 4200 system with 3 gigs of ram and 7800gt card. Vista is the best os ive had yet. It is just about the most stable one i have used. it has never crashed on me once and i love all the new features (media center included) that it has.
I admit you need a decent system to run it, but comon, who doesnt have a good dual core system or better now. As far as being compatible, Ive played every game on it and havent had a problem yet (newer games in the last 2 years or so) and even some older ones.
There has only been one item that it had problems with as far as installing drivers go and that was a mylo personal communicator, which i just had it install as xp(which is a feature it has to let in install an item as if it needs an older os system, xp also has this feature for programs designed for older os.)
It did take a few weeks for me to learn all the new features on the os but they are great. The voice activate command is awesome if you do web serving a lot, so you dont have to type in commands or use the mouse. Anyways, give it a try for a month and yourll not want to go back to xp.



this is a testimonial of a person with vista. :D
and i guess it's true that vista does require a "decent" pc, but if you're buying a pc with vista on it, it should have good enough specs to run it.

cshupe


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mattmartell wrote:Oh believe me, I am careful to take care of my pc. I had a strange problem with a trojan... it infected my backups as well as my operating system. I ended up having to erase all my backup data from one of my hardrives and then reinstall the os for a fourth time to gain full functionality to my os again... I guess it wasn't vista per se but that never happened on any of my other xp systems. I am pretty much happy with alot of vista's features though. It is pretty fun to use, but alot of my hardware won't work with it which is a pain. The main thing is my bluetooth dongle and some of my older flash drives... kinda frustrates me


How is it even possible for an "older flash drive" to not work on your computer?
And Bluetooth dongles are even cheaper than flash drives. Those are not Vista problems.

foxshox


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cshupe wrote:How is it even possible for an "older flash drive" to not work on your computer?
And Bluetooth dongles are even cheaper than flash drives.


There is a few devices I have that don't run at USB 2.0, but I think its more of a hardware problem with my asus board which, I guess, wasn't made for Vista.

frantix


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whistl3r wrote:Heck of a better deal and you're getting more.



Throw a Windows OS with Media Center and shipping in and you'll be closer to $900. Throw in a decent tuner (which you left out) and there's another $100 so you're looking at $705 or $1000? I'd hope it's a lot better and I wouldn't suggest the memory you chose either.

People who buy these generally aren't interested in building their own system, installing the OS or dealing with issues. They want something they can drop into place and it works.

tinytimmy


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Here's the proper Froogle

Little more realistic.

mattmartell


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cshupe wrote:How is it even possible for an "older flash drive" to not work on your computer?
And Bluetooth dongles are even cheaper than flash drives.



Are you kidding me. The drivers are not compatible with vista.. and since they are older and have the labels scratched off (and I have no idea what brand, so I don't know what drivers to install) it's impossible for me to get them to work on my pc. I just tossed them though, cause they were like 256 megs anyway. The point is still valid though, I had to go buy new stuff for vista.

"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then flingest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

tomahawk


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No XP drivers available......

Not interested...NO WOOT

whistl3r


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frantix wrote:Throw a Windows OS with Media Center and shipping in and you'll be closer to $900. Throw in a decent tuner (which you left out) and there's another $100 so you're looking at $705 or $1000? I'd hope it's a lot better and I wouldn't suggest the memory you chose either.

People who buy these generally aren't interested in building their own system, installing the OS or dealing with issues. They want something they can drop into place and it works.



Also took it out of context "you're also getting more for your money, unless you need the support." Besides, the memory I spec'd is top quality.

d0c3nt


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Jason W wrote:In my experience (2001-04), HP's service went WAY south after the merger with Compaq in 2002. At least you'll only have 90 days to spend in phone-tree hell, though.

Seriously, unless your idea of tech support is repeating the same information to three different people with 45-minute hold times in between before you get to talk to a competent tech, stay the hell away from HP. Every company has service tiers, but HP puts up such immense resistance to help you that they shouldn't even call it "support."



A tip when calling HP support, select spanish as your language. This will route you to HP's Mexico City call center; where every technician is bilingual and isn't named Bob from Mumbai. I've had excellent service from the Mexico City center and is the only reason why I renew my DL380's service plans.

izeonjesus


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d0c3nt wrote:A tip when calling HP support, select spanish as your language. This will route you to HP's Mexico City call center; where every technician is bilingual and isn't named Bob from Mumbai. I've had excellent service from the Mexico City center and is the only reason why I renew my DL380's service plans.



HILLARIOUS...but great tip. Thanks!

pileot


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boltz22 wrote:Hmmm, I could really use another computer. Too bad I hate HPs with a passion. Offer A Dell!



Why does everyone hate HP?

Their online tech support is awesome, its very easy to get drivers for anything they have, even if its outdated, and i have never had long wait times on e-mail support. I had to phone twice, and once it took less than 3 minutes to get what i needed, and the second time it was less than 10.

The computer stats look decent enough. The power supply looks generic though, that may have to be replaced, and theres not many USB slots, but thats nothing a USBhub wont fix.

Vista sucks though. Thats the only thing i can see thats really wrong with it.


And dell over HP? are you mad?!?

cshupe


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mattmartell wrote:Are you kidding me. The drivers are not compatible with vista.. and since they are older and have the labels scratched off (and I have no idea what brand, so I don't know what drivers to install) it's impossible for me to get them to work on my pc. I just tossed them though, cause they were like 256 megs anyway. The point is still valid though, I had to go buy new stuff for vista.


This makes no sense at all. What drivers?

pileot


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kefin11 wrote:Ok, first off for all those bandwagon jumpers who hate vista. try it out first. I have had vista premium for almost a year now on a amdx2 4200 system with 3 gigs of ram and 7800gt card. Vista is the best os ive had yet. It is just about the most stable one i have used. it has never crashed on me once and i love all the new features (media center included) that it has.
I admit you need a decent system to run it, but comon, who doesnt have a good dual core system or better now. As far as being compatible, Ive played every game on it and havent had a problem yet (newer games in the last 2 years or so) and even some older ones.
There has only been one item that it had problems with as far as installing drivers go and that was a mylo personal communicator, which i just had it install as xp(which is a feature it has to let in install an item as if it needs an older os system, xp also has this feature for programs designed for older os.)
It did take a few weeks for me to learn all the new features on the os but they are great. The voice activate command is awesome if you do web serving a lot, so you dont have to type in commands or use the mouse. Anyways, give it a try for a month and yourll not want to go back to xp.



I put vista on my laptop a few times since its been released... once several weeks after it came out, and again a few months, and i keep trying it every 3-5 months... and remembering why i hate vista and love XP.

Vista and XP are two very different beasts. Vista likes using all your resources all the time. XP likes using as few resources as lttle of the time as possable. This makes vista a very bad choice on notebooks. Vista does have some nice wireless addons, like being able to resume transfers when your internet cuts out, But to re-learn the whole operating system again? no thanks.

Normal people prolly wont notice much of a difference. Techies like myself will wait a while for everything to fix itself and be worth the effort before we convert.

frantix


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kefin11 wrote:Ok, first off for all those bandwagon jumpers who hate vista. try it out first. I have had vista premium for almost a year now on a amdx2 4200 system with 3 gigs of ram and 7800gt card. Vista is the best os ive had yet. It is just about the most stable one i have used. it has never crashed on me once and i love all the new features (media center included) that it has.
I admit you need a decent system to run it, but comon, who doesnt have a good dual core system or better now. As far as being compatible, Ive played every game on it and havent had a problem yet (newer games in the last 2 years or so) and even some older ones.
There has only been one item that it had problems with as far as installing drivers go and that was a mylo personal communicator, which i just had it install as xp(which is a feature it has to let in install an item as if it needs an older os system, xp also has this feature for programs designed for older os.)
It did take a few weeks for me to learn all the new features on the os but they are great. The voice activate command is awesome if you do web serving a lot, so you dont have to type in commands or use the mouse. Anyways, give it a try for a month and yourll not want to go back to xp.



Been there, done that. Back on XP. I spent a few months, the first being good. I think it's visually very nice and may be OK someday but that's where it ends (questionable with Windows 7 showing up for next year...hmm). I'm sure using it to web "surf" it's not too bad and it works fine on my laptop for that but beyond that speed is poor and the "application not responding" is annoying. I'm testing SP1 RC1 on my laptop as of this week so I don't have a complete opinion on it as of yet. It's the last thing saving it from going to XP and trying to find any drivers needed for XP. If you've not ran into issues on Vista, you're obviously not using it too intensely. Look at the list of fixes that are coming with SP1. I have friends that still swear by it and are waiting to see if SP1 answers all the problems they're having but they're not delusional that it's perfect.

pileot


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cshupe wrote:This makes no sense at all. What drivers?



Drivers for the vid card, tv tuner, card readers, usb slots, processor fans, etc.

HP doesnt release drivers for prodcts that ship with Vista. I had a talk with a support person about it, theres some lame excuse why... it was weak.

If you think your going to buy this and reinstall with XP, think again. Half your stuff wont work right.

ghog1170


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Name the Crayfish; Cray Z

mattmartell


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cshupe wrote:This makes no sense at all. What drivers?



In fact, I have a 2 gig san disk cruzer that wouldn't work for the first few months after I bought it, till sandisk released a driver for it to work on Vista. I had to go to the sandisk site and install it... I guess I don't know how to answer your question? Um the driver that makes the flash drive work?...

"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then flingest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

cshupe


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mattmartell wrote:In fact, I have a 2 gig san disk cruzer that wouldn't work for the first few months after I bought it, till sandisk released a driver for it to work on Vista. I had to go to the sandisk site and install it... I guess I don't know how to answer your question? Um the driver that makes the flash drive work?...


That had to be some third-party program you installed on the drive...U3 or security or something. Any flash drive will work in any usb port, if the os is properly installed and you use the correct motherboard drivers. Same as with any modern video card/drivers.
People saying that you should build your own instead of buying this: given the level of hardware understanding I see here, these people need any tech support they can get. Bilingual 90 days is better than none.

frantix


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steevieg wrote:thats interesting, i got a dell on black friday weekend, it's got vista home premium, and i've never had any signs of a faulty operating system

maybe you people having problems with Vista just don't know how to maintain a working computer well. the only problem i have with vista was getting files/folders shared, but i figured that out through microsoft website.

remember: everyone hated XP in the beginning, so i guess everyone will hate Vista as well. as for me, i like Vista. it can only get better.



Actually it's typically the opposite.... Those who do maintain a computer typically run into issues. It's the people who do more than web surfing and reading e-mail. Light end user types are the ones not typically seeing issues with Vista. I actually liked XP, wasn't a stretch from 2000. On the other hand 2000 was a steaming pile until SP1, lets hope that SP1 for Vista delivers.

mattmartell


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cshupe wrote:That had to be some third-party program you installed on the drive...U3 or security or something. Any flash drive will work in any usb port, if the os is properly installed and you use the correct motherboard drivers. Same as with any modern video card/drivers.
People saying that you should build your own instead of buying this: given the level of hardware understanding I see here, these people need any tech support they can get. Bilingual 90 days is better than none.



Well yeah it does have u3... sorry I didn't mention that. Doesn't matter... I still had to install a driver for it, right?

"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then flingest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

cshupe


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frantix wrote:Actually it's typically the opposite.... Those who do maintain a computer typically run into issues. It's the people who do more than web surfing and reading e-mail. Light end user types are the ones not typically seeing issues with Vista. I actually liked XP, wasn't a stretch from 2000. On the other hand 2000 was a steaming pile until SP1, lets hope that SP1 for Vista delivers.



I still have two machines running 2000 pro, with SP5(?). Solid as a rock, but old.
Vista, with eight years of development, is much more capable and secure. The newer software like Office and IE7 is fast and stable.
Refine your setup.

rdr2go


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pileot wrote:Drivers for the vid card, tv tuner, card readers, usb slots, processor fans, etc.

HP doesnt release drivers for prodcts that ship with Vista. I had a talk with a support person about it, theres some lame excuse why... it was weak.

If you think your going to buy this and reinstall with XP, think again. Half your stuff wont work right.



Is there no other way to get drivers. R U sure about this. I was thinking about buying, trying Vista-maybe I could get used to it, but if not I wanted to put XP pro on it, I have sitting around.

Crazykid


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Vista is far better than XP at release. It can only get better.