motofabio wrote:This is the worst woot ever because people actually believe this piece of garbage works.

Hello... P L A C E B O !

Sepeaking of which, I heard woot is selling headlight fluid tomorrow - I'm in for three bottles!!!

Orrrr maybe they'll offer a tiny clue in a decorative electroplated case that you can wear around your neck and take out on occasions like this.

To the people who are saying this is a placebo you have never had constant muscle spasms & neuropathic pain in your back. It aches/throbs & radiates pain constantly. This sends electrical impulses & basically confuses the brains interpretation of the pain signal while being worn. It just gives my tired muscles a break & can really cut back on the amount of muscle relaxants or pain meds if used correctly. On long car trips I always wear my Tens unit because those are really hard on people with back problems. Hope this helps.

westinator2 wrote:20 bucks through Amazon...

Actually ....149.00 bucks through amazon and sold out

I have electrodes for this unit or any TENS Unit. sportscareinc.com

To the person asking about safety during pregnancy, I would recommend against using it. I work in health care and pregnancy is a contraindication for all electrical modalities. At least check with a doctor prior to using it, better safe than sorry no?

FYI - this product is specifically designed to MASK pain, NOT relieve it. The two things it does are block pain signals from reaching the brain and increase endorphins. If you actually have back pain, find something that will get to the source of your pain.

CuzzinMerl wrote:Does anybody know what will happen to you if you wear/use this device while being waterboarded? I need to know, the sooner the better. And does it only work on anatomically correct spines?

the leads will work under water ( dont ask )the controller...nuho. the fatter the less it works. (Get an implantable one)can be used on other locations (follow the muscle line) get external patches for more accuracy. Device itself can stimulate extreme pain. waterboarding may not be necessary.

the external device is known to exceed $200.00 the internal is known to be $1200.00 installed. inquire for device through pain clinic. device accurately triggers nerve paths. used to control pain. ironic huh. Been told external patches stimulate genital areas ( didn't try) external patches available at most hospital supply stores. decidedly works on for pain control. ( I have/use 3 ) butt above where leg creases. leg back below & forward a little. my sciatica disappears while using. No known time limit for wearing. May interfere with older (win98) computer systems

thanatose wrote:the leads will work under water ( dont ask )the controller...nuho. the fatter the less it works. (Get an implantable one)can be used on other locations (follow the muscle line) get external patches for more accuracy. Device itself can stimulate extreme pain. waterboarding may not be necessary.

the external device is known to exceed $200.00 the internal is known to be $1200.00 installed. inquire for device through pain clinic. device accurately triggers nerve paths. used to control pain. ironic huh. Been told external patches stimulate genital areas ( didn't try) external patches available at most hospital supply stores. decidedly works on for pain control. ( I have/use 3 ) butt above where leg creases. leg back below & forward a little. my sciatica disappears while using. No known time limit for wearing. May interfere with older (win98) computer systems

med name is TENS Transcutanial Electronic Nerve Stimulator

Their CS # is 800 928 9366. Their site says this is $150 regular price. CS says that you can use pads several times till they don't stick anymore. 19.95 gets 10 pads. They are out of sock right now.

ble stimulator. WORKS WELL placement is critical.

Yep. You're wrong. Sorry. : )

I've used TENs units personally, from the small Walkman-sized one to the one at PT clinics that have to be plugged into the AC (GOOD TOY! WOO WOO!!!), and you ONLY have to replace the pad(s) when they lose their stickiness. Figure with daily use, and if you're a CLEAN PERSON (IOW: Bathe and dry the area being TENSed and COMPLETELY DRY(!)), you should be able to get a good 2 months out of each pad (if not more).

HINT: If the STICKINESS wears down, you COULD use a small dab of DIPITY-DOO or any other HAIR GEL (the El-Cheapo stuff from the .99 CENT stores works PERFECTLY! A tub of the stuff for a buck?! JACKPOT!) with a NO-LONGER STICKY PAD (IOW: Don't throw the used pads away after they stop being sticky!).

Talk with your DR (or PT) before taking ANY advice no matter what (we're ALL different).

God bless, KINJIRU

waacodemon wrote:Please correct me if im wrong...
BUT!
You have to get replacement pads
they cost 19.99 for 4
You can use the pad only one time.
So, seein as i would have to use this daily, seems to be a big money pit?

Wow, what a product. No back pain here...but still almost tempted to purchase!

motofabio wrote:
This is the worst woot ever because people actually believe this piece of garbage works.

Hello... P L A C E B O !

Well actually the placebo effect works quite well if you believe it, (I am NOT saying that is what this product is). I have a friend that is always telling me about this alternative Dr. she goes to and what he does. It makes me cringe because I know it is worthless, but she claims it really helps her so I never say anything to doubt it. Why should I since I do believe she is being helped by this Dr. and his placebo effect.

Read The Mindbody Prescription by John Sarno.

My chiro uses this on my lower back everytime I go (not this unit but one that does TENS) I am going to try i out as I have non stop back pain.

I just bought it, at this price and since its new and not retinker you cant go wrong. Nice WOOT

srdiamond wrote:Me too. Only I am 21 and have back pain since I was 13. But yeah, daily back pain. Some days are better than others, but still ALWAYS hurts.
I really would like to know if this works.

I can say the style of treatment works.
I've had some chiropractors use it before.

I feel for ya on the 'some days are better than others' part. I've got an extra vertebrae so a wrong move can pull my muscles (somehow makes my lower back muscles weaker than usual).

The treatment this thing does actually works.
Mine was coupled with having my spine realigned so its less likely to act up.

Since this is something you're doing without professional assistance just use it for what it's for and you'll feel better for it.

Seriously- I live with chronic back pain with it affecting my right leg. I can't stand, sit or walk long at all. I have had surgery but to no avail, I am in bed most of the time and meds too. If there is a chance this would help me I would get it but if it's just a tens unit I already have 2. IS there a difference in this and a tens unit?

For you that just think this is a bad back ache then you do not know what we are talking about, this is completely different- it's a life altering change when this happens to you.

bobby420 wrote:Does this help with TMS (Tension Myofascial Syndrome) Trigger Points?

Please do yourself a favor and read "The Mindbody Prescription" by Dr. John Sarno. It will change your life. You do not need this machine.

tomems wrote:Please do yourself a favor and read "The Mindbody Prescription" by Dr. John Sarno. It will change your life. You do not need this machine.

How will reading a book help with pain?

kexline wrote:Orrrr maybe they'll offer a tiny clue in a decorative electroplated case that you can wear around your neck and take out on occasions like this.

Hey motofabio, don't laugh at the "headlight fluid". Last time they had it on sale here I bought three and was high as a huuummmmm, forgot what I was talking about - oh yesss....

OK...I use a full size one at my chiropractor 3 times a week and was actually discussing whether or not one of these would be nice at home....

If it gets anywhere near the power as the one at my doc...it will be awesome....

it relaxes and stops muscles spasms....etc...etc...etc...and feels freaking great...I am thinking hard...may just have to buy it!

KrazEric wrote:OK...I use a full size one at my chiropractor 3 times a week and was actually discussing whether or not one of these would be nice at home....

If it gets anywhere near the power as the one at my doc...it will be awesome....

it relaxes and stops muscles spasms....etc...etc...etc...and feels freaking great...I am thinking hard...may just have to buy it!

I know when I had to purchase my first one it was $600, after surgery they gave me another one... guess somewhere in the bill I was charged but not sure how much. I was just wanting to know if this is a tens or something like a tens but better, still wondering about the book and if it would really help.

kyrnzkewl wrote:If they sell interchangeable support belts for other body parts, like legs (hams/quads), arms (biceps/triceps), and neck (traps) areas, I can see myself using this everyday to relieve soreness/pain from my workouts. I lift fairly heavy and the soreness usually starts the day after workout and lasts for about 2 days, during which time I am kind of shut off from hitting those muscle groups again. It would be so nice if I can selectively use this on different muscle areas, and not just my back... any suggestions?

I suggest buying protein powder and having a scoop of that with milk within a half hour after your workout. It tastes good and it takes a lot of the pain away from soreness.

Found a site that sells the electrodes for $12.95 (+ shipping, of course, which is $8.95 to my address). http://www.lgmedsupply.com/electrodes.html

tolleyrands wrote:I know when I had to purchase my first one it was $600, after surgery they gave me another one... guess somewhere in the bill I was charged but not sure how much. I was just wanting to know if this is a tens or something like a tens but better, still wondering about the book and if it would really help.

It is a TENS unit...Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation...but my concern is the power if only using only a 9 volt bat....

tomems wrote:Please do yourself a favor and read "The Mindbody Prescription" by Dr. John Sarno. It will change your life.

tolleyrands wrote:How will reading a book help with pain?

Read the book and find out. He is right.
But i did buy today's Woot too.

DennisHarris wrote:Their CS # is 800 928 9366. Their site says this is $150 regular price. CS says that you can use pads several times till they don't stick anymore. 19.95 gets 10 pads. They are out of sock right now.

What site?

nukeme70 wrote:Anyone know if this can be purchased using a medical Flex spending account? I would assume since band-aids and aspirin are covered, that there wouldn't be a problem with this, though I might have to send a detailed receipt when they ask me what a woot is.

Shouldn't be a problem. If required just send along a copy of the Instructions or the like - their bound to state repeatedly that this is a medical unit.

You can always print out the following from the FDA website and include them:

From the Code of Federal Regulations Part 21 (the Law that governs the FDA) TENS Machines are defined as Class II Medical Devices and regulated by the following:

21CFR882.5890

see here: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=882.5890

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfPCD/classification.cfm?ID=3130

I'm IN! Hope it works on my back! So far, the only time I get lasting relief is mowing the lawn on my riding lawn mower. Heat from the sun, mixed with vibration from the lawn mower, is good, hope this thing makes it GREAT!

palrthanyu wrote:To the person asking about safety during pregnancy, I would recommend against using it. I work in health care and pregnancy is a contraindication for all electrical modalities. At least check with a doctor prior to using it, better safe than sorry no?

It is safe during pregnancy. Lots of people use them to relieve back pain in labor. Much safer than an epidural, and you can still MOVE! http://pregnancy.about.com/od/painmedsinlabor/p/tensinlabor.htm

tctech wrote:anyone know just how fat of a wooter this will fit? for a friend, alright?

LOLLOLLOL ROFL!

breasticlesrkool wrote:As Doctor of Physical Therapy candidate, I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with this. Putting a TENS unit on the market for the general public is irresponsible and down right dangerous. If put in the wrong hands, this can really hurt somebody. I love WOOT, but please leave the medical device prescriptions to someone with proper knowledge and training.

These folks are worried about losing money, period. Anyone can learn how to use these things safely without too much trouble.

Doctors of course aren't going to like something that takes money out of their pockets.

I call BS

breasticlesrkool wrote:As Doctor of Physical Therapy candidate, I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with this. Putting a TENS unit on the market for the general public is irresponsible and down right dangerous. If put in the wrong hands, this can really hurt somebody. I love WOOT, but please leave the medical device prescriptions to someone with proper knowledge and training.

xBudahx wrote:These folks are worried about losing money, period. Anyone can learn how to use these things safely without too much trouble.

Doctors of course aren't going to like something that takes money out of their pockets.

I call BS

Ya.

"I want your $15 copay" - the man

I've had chronic back pain for 9 months. I've seen doctors, chiropractors, and physical therapists. Now that I'm armed with MRI results (finally), the maxim "keep your tummy tight" simply won't fly anymore. I have significant spinal problems from L1 to S1. Soon I will be seeing a doctor for steroid injections and then a neurosurgeon. When a person has endured pain for a long time, he/she is tempted to buy almost anything to alleviate it. I know a TENS unit has helped many people manage pain. I wouldn't fault anyone for trying. Some days I think I would have bought and drank dishwashing liquid infused with gasoline if some shyster had convinced me it would help.

I guess nobody has ever messed with Square Trade's warranty, or else somebody would have answered my question on page 3.

breasticlesrkool wrote:As Doctor of Physical Therapy candidate, I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with this. Putting a TENS unit on the market for the general public is irresponsible and down right dangerous. If put in the wrong hands, this can really hurt somebody. I love WOOT, but please leave the medical device prescriptions to someone with proper knowledge and training.

As a potential patient, I would ask that you identify yourself. A medical professional "in training" who thinks that using a forum name like "breasticles are cool" is not professional and I would not want you to be a medical care provider for anyone I know. (thats before even addressing the ridiculous nature of DPT degrees)

I'm surprised you are able to sell these to the general public. They are normally a prescription only device.

TENs are not recommended for pregnancy at all. It sends electical stim and last time I checked it's not good to shock a baby. Buy your wife a gift card to the spa and get a relaxing massage by a certified therapist and stay away from trigger points...they can induce labor.

nukeme70 wrote:Anyone know if this can be purchased using a medical Flex spending account? I would assume since band-aids and aspirin are covered, that there wouldn't be a problem with this, though I might have to send a detailed receipt when they ask me what a woot is.

I actually called about this and was told we would have to fill out a form with our doctor's signature for approval. So as long as your doctor approves it, you should be covered.

DakotaDocMartin wrote:I'm surprised you are able to sell these to the general public. They are normally a prescription only device.

Wrong!

"There are 2 basic types of unit available on the market: a simplified version is marketed to consumers....the more complex units are intended for use by healthcare professionals."

waacodemon wrote:Anyone have/tried one? Do they really work?

Im 20 years old, and have had back pains since i was like 16... seen several chiropractors and all, but my back hurts like literally on a daily basis, it suucks so much. I just dont wanna fork up 55 bucks, and have this be a piece of carp

Well, I'll tell you a bit about my situation and I hope that it helps someone.

I'll give you some insight about what a TENS unit has done for me. I had a serious back injury prior to a deployment. I've had two spinal fusions with hardware (at 30 yrs old) so far to fix the problems in my back. There have been times that a TENS unit has helped take my pain level down a notch or two when the pain was nothing short of unbelievable. I've told my doc that even it's just a placebo effect, it seems to have helped. If you're not dealing with SERIOUS problems requiring surgery, then you may get some benefit from this thing.

What does it do? It releases bursts of electricity through the electrodes into the skin. Depending on the type of unit, you may be able to vary the pulse width, type, and intensity (all of them have the last one as far as I know). I've got two now, one old skool one with knobs and a neat digital one.

Does it go up to 11 (BBC joke higher up in the thread)? You bet your sweet a** it does. You'll think it's 11 when you turn it up even halfway. Speaking from experience, it can be pretty intense when you're first starting out.

I can definitely say that the TENS can help. I can't say how well, and many people may get far better results than me. I was dealing with some pretty serious problems (like barely walking at all even with a walker) before this last surgery so I don't think anything would completely do the trick.

I can give some advice about the use of the unit:

This can be helpful if the pain in deeper in the area of a disc rather than muscular. Cross the electrodes on your back like an X so that the electricity comes to a point where you're hurting.

Do NOT climb in a car unless you are sure that the electrodes are fastened properly and have good contact. Moving an electrode to a different spot even a millimeter can change the game completely. You can find yourself in a bad situation very quickly if one of the electrodes suddenly "connects". Take note if you're having to suddenly turn the unit up higher than you normally put it. That's a good sign of "wrongness". Imagine putting fire ants in your jeans. Begin driving. How fun would that be?

Best advice? Go to a physical therapist for an evaluation. A physical therapist can tell you better if it's right for you and how to properly wear one. Best thing I ever did.