Will this play DivX movies off of a mass storage device through the USB port like my Philips DVD player does?

nathinnizzle wrote:And they were from California. Figures.

HAHA...

bootlegzani wrote:I'm going to have to agree. You can get 50" Panasonic 1080p plasmas for around $899 brand new. This is an absurd price. They shouldn't even be able to sell one but someone will still buy it for some reason.

As we in the gaming community "love" saying, screenshot or it didn't happen.

Lol... I had to edit as the post seemed to change... I saw plasma on the discription... and now... not so much...

Love Woot...

The horizontal/vertical viewing angles are pretty suspect... just 160 degrees vs. 178 for most LCD TVs. AFAIK that "could" mean that its a cheapo panel.

jshbckr wrote:
The 120hz feature is the most disgusting thing I've seen in TV technology. Basically, it takes the 24-frame rate of the movie you're watching and it makes up the extra frames in between to digitally remove the motion blurring. So basically, it makes film look like video. If you appreciate film, do yourself and favor and SHUT OFF THIS FEATURE

If you have a bluray player it will output 24 frames but the vast majority of dvd players will not output at 24 frames...these and tv shows and other video based output is 60hz. 120hz is a multiple of both 60 as well as 24 which is why it generally helps with blur in either case. Film material on 60hz generally use 2/3 pulldown since 24 is not a multiple of 60.

SoCalDuncan wrote:I have the 47" version of this TV and I love it. So some of us with Philips TV experience are quite happy with them.

Same here. I have the 47" version and it is fantastic. Got mine new at Sams club for only $50 less than this woot in Feburary. This is a great deal and I love, love, love this TV. Buy the warranty if you worried on refurbs, but I've always had good luck with refurbs...

ronniejames wrote:jshbckr wrote:
The 120hz feature is the most disgusting thing I've seen in TV technology. Basically, it takes the 24-frame rate of the movie you're watching and it makes up the extra frames in between to digitally remove the motion blurring. So basically, it makes film look like video. If you appreciate film, do yourself and favor and SHUT OFF THIS FEATURE

If you have a bluray player it will output 24 frames but the vast majority of dvd players will not output at 24 frames...these and tv shows and other video based output is 60hz. 120hz is a multiple of both 60 as well as 24 which is why it generally helps with blur in either case. Film material on 60hz generally use 2/3 pulldown since 24 is not a multiple of 60.

ronniejames wrote:

I forgot to add that jshbckr is incorrect...extra frames are not needed with 120hz but are needed for 60hz

Markguns wrote:From Philips:
HD Natural Motion for ultra smooth motion in Full HD movies
Philips invented HD Natural Motion to eliminate juddering effects that are visible with movie based picture content. HD Natural Motion estimates motion in the picture and corrects juddering movements in both broadcast and recorded movie material (such as DVD and Blu-ray Disc). The resulting smooth motion reproduction and excellent sharpness take the viewing experience to a higher level. HD Natural Motion removes judder from SD and HD pictures, including 1080p, for a motion performance that surpasses the cinema!

I have a 42" Philips with this feature. Motion is definitely smoother with it turned on, but not all the time -- it seems to take effect only under certain circumstances. Also, the smoothing effect makes everything look like it was filmed with a camcorder, which for me is distracting when watching movies and other staged performances.

On the other hand, for sports it can be a good feature to have because it really can add to the "you are there" feeling.

Otherwise this TV is great! Not sure about the price but I've been very happy with its performance.

I was going to say that the $5 shipping makes this a sweet deal, but the newegg one ships for free. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889104131

I have the exact 52" same Philips TV but in the 60HZ version. It was made 2 months before they switched to 120hz. I did a firmware update and now I'm at 120hz. This is simply an awesome TV. Incredibly bright, no ghosting, contrast ratio is awesome. I watch it more then my 60" Sony XBR2 1080p as the Philips has a better picture in every respect.

Awesome price and $5 shipping.

BTW: Plasma sets blow. Anyone that knows technology knows the new LCD's destroy Plasma.

vigorvermin wrote:I was going to say that the $5 shipping makes this a sweet deal, but the newegg one ships for free. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889104131

The Newegg is also refurbished so you save $95 here. Also Newegg charges me tax so that's $200 cheaper for me.

bootlegzani wrote:I'm going to have to agree. You can get 50" Panasonic 1080p plasmas for around $899 brand new. This is an absurd price. They shouldn't even be able to sell one but someone will still buy it for some reason.

And you can get LG tvs for 699 brand new.

You can't just compare two items and expect them to have the same price.

No $900 TV is going to sport 120HZ refresh, especially at 52"

Links to multiple reviews:

http://alatest.com/reviews/tv-reviews/philips-pfl7403-series-lcd-tv-32-37-42-47-52/po3-58685328,33/#partner:50472

PC World says decent features, but poor image quality. Pretty much botches the sale for me, even without verifying if its correct its expensive compared to similar, as people have posted.

does it come with a refurbished cat?

carbonium wrote:I have the exact 52" same Philips TV but in the 60HZ version. It was made 2 months before they switched to 120hz. I did a firmware update and now I'm at 120hz. This is simply an awesome TV. Incredibly bright, no ghosting, contrast ratio is awesome. I watch it more then my 60" Sony XBR2 1080p as the Philips has a better picture in every respect.

Awesome price and $5 shipping.

BTW: Plasma sets blow. Anyone that knows technology knows the new LCD's destroy Plasma.

Kuro Plasma's are still rated better than LCD's.

I have this exact tv. Amazing. My friends have HD's, including some of the high end DLP's. They can't even believe the picture. I picked mine up refurbished from Sam's Club for $999, but I talked the manager down from $1150. You'll be VERY happy with this. It's a great price, too.

ETA: WAY better than plasmas, even side by side with Pioneer plasmas and Samsung LCD(60 Hz). This TV has a VERY wide viewing angle, excellent contrast, and it doesn't have the glass face of a plasma, meaning no glare. This is HUGE if you have windows behind you.

The cheaper tv's at this price are all 60Hz, and you CAN tell the difference. Easily. If you're watching anything with action, the motion blur is far less noticeable than on any 60Hz tv.

balasuar wrote:Kuro Plasma's are still rated better than LCD's.

Only the owner of outdated technology would argue against the death of his overpriced low resolution 200 pound paperweight.

Plasma's are heavy, much thicker, use twice the power and cost you on average $100-$200 per year in extra electricity costs. They suffer burn in, Try hooking one to an Xbox and watch the permanent images on your screen that never go away. Plasmas have less viewing hours as the screen dims with time. The native resolution is Plasma's is generally less.. Plasma's wash out with any ambient lighting. Go to Costco and see all the washed out gray looking plasma sets.

I could go on but you already know why LCD's now totally dominate High end TV sales.

jshickam wrote:Can you say burn in? Supposedly this isn't as much of a problem with the new tv's. LIES. I have spots all over mine from stationary objects in games. The image quality is great but i wouldn't recommend for gaming.

Let's debunk a few plasma-LCD myths here:

Burn-in is not nearly the problem it's made out to be. Any decent plasma made in the last year or two comes with two anti-burn-in features: an automatic pixel orbiter, which slowly and unnoticeably shifts your image around the screen, and a scrolling white bar which can be set to run for 10 or 15 minutes (while you're not watching, obviously) and removes any burn-in. Plasmas also don't have the tube life issues they used to have, and newer ones come with the warranties to back it up.

As others have pointed out, plasmas have better blacks than LCDs because the plasmas generate their own light rather than using a backlight. They also have very faithful viewing angles, still better than LCDs, though you can get 160-170 degrees on most LCDs now.

The one clear advantage LCDs have over plasmas is power consumption, and even that gap has shrunk for plasmas released in the last 6-9 months.

And if you don't believe me, check out CNet or Tom's Hardware or any reputable review site, and compare the most recent generation of plasmas to the most recent generation of LCDs.

I'm moving into a new apartment in two weeks' time. Once I'm there I'm ordering myself a new 50" Panasonic TC-P50G10 plasma for $1200-$1300. And it will blow this crummy Philips LCD away.

Uhh. Yeah. Bummer I spent the extra $1200 I had lying around....on my mortgage. I mean, really? $1200 for a refurb?! Yiiiikers.

This woot is certainly not in the cards for me.

34 million LCDs were sold in the last quarter or '08 vs. about 4.5 million plasmas. You add any light into a room and Plasma washes out.
That's a major reason why plasma looks terrible next to LCD at Costso or in any situation with reasonable lighting.

I remember arguing about 18-20 years ago the advantages of Directv's 18" DSS type dishes compared to BUD (you know those 8-12 foot C band dishes). Its sort of like arguing that your CRT Computer monitor is better then your LCD monitor.

Many manufactures finally gave up ship on Plasma as they couldn't make a profit. Plasma is now almost a dead technology. Give it up Plasma people.

Can this be used as a computer monitor? Does it work with a Mac?

I was about to get one of these, but then read that Michael Moore once dated Michelle Phillips. No way are any of the pinko Phillips family going to get any of my money to give to that fat bastard.

carbonium wrote:I have the exact 52" same Philips TV but in the 60HZ version. It was made 2 months before they switched to 120hz. I did a firmware update and now I'm at 120hz. This is simply an awesome TV. Incredibly bright, no ghosting, contrast ratio is awesome. I watch it more then my 60" Sony XBR2 1080p as the Philips has a better picture in every respect.

Awesome price and $5 shipping.

BTW: Plasma sets blow. Anyone that knows technology knows the new LCD's destroy Plasma.

Gotta disagree that Plasma "blows" I have a plasma, 2 LCD's and a 1080p projector and they all have pros and cons. For pure PQ, I actually prefer the plasma.

Dear TV'ers,

Is there a problem with Flat Screens supporting PIP. When ever I read through specs on advertised Flats' - I've never seen a unit that has PIP.

Look at the Philly'52 on Woot!, lots of feature, most of the DELUXE features, but NO bloody PIP!!!!

So to you Geeks and Freeks of the beloved (though much hated) Croooooooooow!-buss Tubus, I ask - 'eh what's up doc? Where's the darn PIP?

Much Thanks,

a.

When buying a TV, especially expensive ones, I don't value practicality over quality. Plasma TVs have a richness in color and especially depth that I've not yet seen in any LCD TVs. I just bought my Kuro a couple of months ago after shopping around and looking at a wide variety of TVs. Nothing could compare to the natural color look, depth, and motion quality of the Kuro, except of course the other plasma TVs.

Sure they suffer from washout in sunlight, but most LCD TVs suffer greatly in quality when in sunlight as well. You need a reasonably dark room for any sort of home theater use to get a quality picture. But for general TV use I find my Kuro does fine in partial sunlight.

The burnout problem no longer is a problem on Plasma TVs. Weight isn't even that big of deal. Maybe around 65 pounds for a 50 inch LCD TV and 75 pounds for a 50" Plasma TV. Big deal. In fact, this Philips 52" weighs a good bit more than my 50" Kuro. I find my 50" uses on average around 350 watts (plasma vary greatly based on what's actually on the screen). But wait.. 350 watts is what this Philips 52" LCD TV uses. It's worth noting that I paid $1800 for my Kuro, so even the price was fairly competitive at the time.

If I was buying the TV purely for game room use or casual TV use, I'd probably go with LCD for it's versatility. For pure quality and movie use, nothing yet seems to truly beat out plasma yet. Maybe one day but so far I'll take the true blacks over anything else. It gives movie pictures so much depth that I've yet to see in an LCD screen.

With all of that said, either way I don't know about this Woot. $1200 for a ref TV? I don't know if I could get myself to go for that or not. Especially without seeing it first to compare with other TVs. I prefer my large TVs with at least a 2 year full warranty as well. But this is essentially a $2000 TV when new so you are saving a lot by going ref.


On a side note... the "34 million LCDs were sold in the last quarter or '08 vs. about 4.5 million plasmas. " shouldn't be surprising. After all, you can get small LCD TVs from 14" up to 32" whereas plasma TVs don't go below 42".

ammatos wrote:Dear TV'ers,

Is there a problem with Flat Screens supporting PIP. When ever I read through specs on advertised Flats' - I've never seen a unit that has PIP.

Look at the Philly'52 on Woot!, lots of feature, most of the DELUXE features, but NO bloody PIP!!!!

So to you Geeks and Freeks of the beloved (though much hated) Croooooooooow!-buss Tubus, I ask - 'eh what's up doc? Where's the darn PIP?

Much Thanks,

a.

In my research, I never saw a flat screen with PIP. I never thought of that. My DVR box has pip in it, so I've never had to use it.

Buffy771 wrote:we bought a sanyo 47" from Wally's for just under 400 on a sale and I broke it within a month. thank god for the 90 day return policy. Now my man wants a new t.v. cause we went back to the old tube t.v. and something like this would be nice, but 1200 is steep. Why he wont just break down and bring his 106" from his house is beyond me, besides the fact my wall probably cant handle it.

Baby Girl,

Note from an oooooold man - If he wants it, let him pay for it!!!

If YOU want a flat screen, buy what suits you and your pocket.

Best,

a.

Price is right, but charging way too much for shipping. ;)

rookaloo wrote: The sound quality is great too.

A big screen without a separate audio system, nice speakers and a subwoofer is like sex with your wife using a condom.

I will bet it will break in 91 days = You are out of luck per Philips.

I'm a bit concerned because it is refurbished, should I be?

No VGA or DVI input. That's useless. Come on, why the lack of inputs.

A lot of misinformation thrown around here.

120 Hz is better than 60 Hz. Duh.

Plasmas and LCDs have their pros and cons. I bought a 65" Panasonic plasma for less than $9000. Try finding that with an LCD. Seriously! I spent $1000 on it from a friend, but if you want a big TV, plasmas offer great deals.

If you have a lot of direct light on your TV, LCDs shine there. If your wall can't handle a heavy TV, get a stand or a lighter/smaller TV. Once my TV was on the wall, it didn't matter that it weighs 250 lbs.

Phillips is not a premiere brand, but hopefully these TVs were checked out thoroughly and are good to go.

For the hour a day the TV is on, it's really not setting any power consumption records. Make your decision on picture quality and value.

WOW

350 Watts is obscene. It is not easy to find a tube TV that leaps into the vacuum down this much power. (Although there are 1000's of them out on the curb each week for trash pickup) This uses power like a refrigerator, not a television.

This TV = 350Watts ~110 lbs
Sony KDL-40VE5 = 140Watts `39 lbs

Wow... and they say size isn't important. The guy with the 19" TV may say that but once you get a 52" one you never look back. Buy 3!!!

corenor wrote:WOW

350 Watts is obscene. It is not easy to find a tube TV that leaps into the vacuum down this much power. (Although there are 1000's of them out on the curb each week for trash pickup) This uses power like a refrigerator, not a television.

This TV = 350Watts ~110 lbs
Sony KDL-40VE5 = 140Watts `39 lbs

My KillaWatt meter only shows my 52"LCD Philips drawing 165 watts at full brightness. The wattage is probably the peak wattage at startup that only lasts a few seconds.

no deal. get this brand new for $1250.

candyfloortrash wrote:Ask yourself the same question in 2 years when the plasma tubes in your tv bust and it costs more to repair than it does to replace.

Excuse me, candyfloortrash?

My 4-year-old plasma TVs would like a word with you.

I mean...I don't know where you get your information about plasma TVs, but it's pretty nonsensical. "Plasma tubes" don't just "bust" after a certain period of time. Perhaps you are thinking of...well, I can't really figure out WHAT you are thinking of.

Einstein and Paul McCartney?