I also have this TV - the picture is amazing, my HD channels off my DirectTV service is crystal clear - it blows away all of my friends Bravias and Samsungs. Highly recommend it.

For what it's worth it looks like you could get this exact TV NEW at CompUSA for $1229 - 4% cash back at Fatwallet.com and get free shipping with the SHIPITFREE CompUSA discount code. Total $1180.99 instead of $1199+$5

digbydriver wrote:This is great. A gigantic screen that you can hang on your wall high enough so that all who drive by your house can see what you are watching. You can see millionaires in funny costumes chase a ball around. Or amateur singers trying to win a contrived contest designed to get tv networks to gain more revenue for the commercials they sell. Or video of the latest murder in your neighborhood, described by a silly girl. Great.

This is quite funny.......millionaires in funny costumes.....rotflmao. and the latest murder bit.......if it weren't true, it wouldn't be hilarious.

BrianTL wrote:I would stay clear of this one. It isn't really a great deal. This is my reasoning:

- LCD TV's are soon to be 240Hz, and I believe that it makes a huge difference.
- The Price for a 52" 120Hz LCD REFURBISHED is too high for my taste. Wait for the 240Hz to become more of a standard and better deals come out.

240Hz means nothing...show me a source that inputs at even 120Hz...adding refresh rate when the info isn't there doesn't do anything

candyfloortrash wrote:Ask yourself the same question in 2 years when the plasma tubes in your tv bust and it costs more to repair than it does to replace.

Here it is folks......plasma pictures are considerably better, but their lifespan is very short. If you're rich, get a plasma. If you don't like buying new TVs every 5 years, get anything else.

lunartan wrote:A big screen without a separate audio system, nice speakers and a subwoofer is like sex with your wife using a condom.

So if I have a seperate audio system, my wife could get pregnant?

I'm a little suspicious of the brand since they have essentially handed Funai the manufacturing and distribution under their name in the US.
Maybe this one is still sold by Philips but I answer folks' complaints about them a bit too often at fixya.com and ran a quick check on search terms 'Philips TV':

http://www.fixya.com/search.aspx?cstm=0&_s=philips+TV

You might look before leaping-

Steve A.

For the hour a day the TV is on, it's really not setting any power consumption records. Make your decision on picture quality and value.[/quote]

That's a good one. What fat@ss Americans watch one hour a day.

koticphreak wrote:who the f wants a plasma?! there's a reason they're $899

Plasmas actually have a better picture.
LCDS are more popular because of the sizes available, and the brightness needed for well lit rooms.
I have a plasma for a basment theater, and LCDs everywhere else.

Thewacokid wrote:Way to make people ignore your entire post.

Plasmas actually have a better picture.
LCDS are more popular because of the sizes available, and the brightness needed for well lit rooms.
I have a plasma for a basment theater, and LCDs everywhere else.

techdesigner wrote:For what it's worth it looks like you could get this exact TV NEW at CompUSA for $1229 - 4% cash back at Fatwallet.com and get free shipping with the SHIPITFREE CompUSA discount code. Total $1180.99 instead of $1199+$5

Actually the 52" that is at compusa.com for 1229.99 is the tv that only has 60hz refresh rate. It was nice of you to say tho because i went and checked that out =P

candyfloortrash wrote:Ask yourself the same question in 2 years when the plasma tubes in your tv bust and it costs more to repair than it does to replace.

This might be one of the funniest things I've ever seen! What in the hell are you talking about moron? Tubes?

You know what all this talk of plasma vs. LCD is stupid. Buy a tv you like people that looks good and fits your needs. Each has their own advantages and dis-advantages. The argument that LCD is better than plasma because the plasmas are cheaper is another one that made me laugh out loud. The truth is that the LCD technology for better or for worse costs more to produce. That is the simple truth.

I like them both. How do you like that??

wisbacks wrote:This might be one of the funniest things I've ever seen! What in the hell are you talking about moron? Tubes?

Plasma displays ARE tubes and a recent post told of a 5-month-old 50" Samsung set whose TUBE cracked while they were watching it from a distance.
Samsung tech says 'yeah, but' and Samsung claims it is physical damage and will not cover it under warranty.
Glass can certainly have stress left over from careless manufacturing and may show itself just because of a temperature change.

Again, a link to Philips plasma problems:

http://www.fixya.com/support/p617345-philips_50pfp5332d_50_in_plasma_televisi

Be sure to buy the 1 year warranty!

SoCalDuncan wrote:I have the 47" version of this TV and I love it. So some of us with Philips TV experience are quite happy with them.

1300 brand new not a bargain at 1200 refub.

freetek wrote:Plasma displays ARE tubes and a recent post told of a 5-month-old 50" Samsung set whose TUBE cracked while they were watching it from a distance.
Samsung tech says 'yeah, but' and Samsung claims it is physical damage and will not cover it under warranty.
Glass can certainly have stress left over from careless manufacturing and may show itself just because of a temperature change.

Again, a link to Philips plasma problems:

http://www.fixya.com/support/p617345-philips_50pfp5332d_50_in_plasma_televisi

Still no tubes in a plasma. There are individual cells between the glass. I really think this person is confusing projection tv tubes with plasma tv's.

I'm not disputing the Phillips plasma tv issues here. That has more to do with the manufacturer than the technology itself. I wouldn't buy a "cheap" plasma just like I wouldn't buy a "cheap" LCD. It goes both ways.

digbydriver wrote:This is great. A gigantic screen that you can hang on your wall high enough so that all who drive by your house can see what you are watching. You can see millionaires in funny costumes chase a ball around. Or amateur singers trying to win a contrived contest designed to get tv networks to gain more revenue for the commercials they sell. Or video of the latest murder in your neighborhood, described by a silly girl. Great.

Wow. that's good. I like that. That just puts everything in perspective about why someone should buy a huge TV- to convey materialism, not only the purchaser of the set, but what's being shown on the big box. Thank you-you made my day.

I bought this two months ago, brand new, and love the picture. Everywhere I went to look at TVs, I preferred this model over all the others that they had, including the Samsung, Panasonic, and LG. It's beautiful.

I admit though - I bought the extended warranty just in case.

redhatdogonline wrote:Wow... and they say size isn't important. The guy with the 19" TV may say that but once you get a 52" one you never look back. Buy 3!!!

Yes, but the real question is, do you need it?

ammatos wrote:Dear TV'ers,

Is there a problem with Flat Screens supporting PIP. When ever I read through specs on advertised Flats' - I've never seen a unit that has PIP.

Look at the Philly'52 on Woot!, lots of feature, most of the DELUXE features, but NO bloody PIP!!!!

So to you Geeks and Freeks of the beloved (though much hated) Croooooooooow!-buss Tubus, I ask - 'eh what's up doc? Where's the darn PIP?

Much Thanks,

a.

I was looking into an LCD a while ago, and I was surprised to see that none offered pip. What's the deal. I since have found out that the reason no one offers PIP anymore on the TV is because of the switch to digital broadcasting. Allegedly, since everyone now needs a box of some kind (either cable or converter or whatever), that pip isnt valid anymore. Is that right? Does that make sense?

I have an old DELL 42" plasma that I'd love to replace (not anything wront with it, just older, runs very hot, too small). It has pip. I have it wired one input directly from my cable (which means it could get all but the digital chanels), and one input from the cable box. I could use the pip for all of my basic cable. I havent tried it since the conversion to digital broadcasting, but I fear it wont work anymore.

Does anyone know if all this is true?

mikeslps wrote:Here it is folks......plasma pictures are considerably better, but their lifespan is very short. If you're rich, get a plasma. If you don't like buying new TVs every 5 years, get anything else.

New plasmas are rated at 100,000 hours, LCDs are rated at 60,000 hours. You LCD trolls need to stop living in the past and get your info straight.

this is expensive for this size and brand, especially for refurbished. Best Buy has a bunch of tvs on sale this week, around $1000-1200 for sizes like this and better brands too. Pioneer seemed to be good back in the day but who knows who runs them now. I have a dvd player by them, its brand new and it leaps into the vacuum. I paid extra to get upconvert and have to turn it back to 480p because it keeps switching resolutions during movies and makes the screen blank for a few seconds which every 10 minutes gets really annoying.

carbonium wrote:blah blah blah balderah post...

You forgot to add: Kuro Plasmas have a much better picture. So what if they're heavy, and only last 15 years? They still look better than LCD's, especially the piece of carp Phillip's you have.

Come talk to me when you own a REAL TV.

mikeydiker wrote:Plasmas actually have a better picture.
LCDS are more popular because of the sizes available, and the brightness needed for well lit rooms.
I have a plasma for a basment theater, and LCDs everywhere else.

It depends which plasma you get.

Many plasmas will outperfom LCD's at the same cost/size. But better LCD's will outperform all but the best (read: expensive) Plasmas.

WARNING: this Philips TV is manufacturing by Funai Corporation... the same people that make Emerson, RCA, and all the Walmart generic umbrella brands such as Durabrand, SV2000 etc. Philips sold their USA brand rights to Funai. Just thought you might want to know what you are buying - this is not the old Philips brand which had a fairly good reputation.

wootmaster78 wrote:this is expensive for this size and brand, especially for refurbished. Best Buy has a bunch of tvs on sale this week, around $1000-1200 for sizes like this and better brands too. Pioneer seemed to be good back in the day but who knows who runs them now. I have a dvd player by them, its brand new and it leaps into the vacuum. I paid extra to get upconvert and have to turn it back to 480p because it keeps switching resolutions during movies and makes the screen blank for a few seconds which every 10 minutes gets really annoying.

Worstbuy certainly does not have any "better" brand 52" LCD's with 120Hz refresh rate for the same price.

Woot's picked up quite a few refurb phillips.

From past woots, they've been hit or miss. I got lucky with mine (a 42" set) but others got busted up sets.

At $1300, even with the features, it seems a bit high.

bootlegzani wrote:I'm going to have to agree. You can get 50" Panasonic 1080p plasmas for around $899 brand new. This is an absurd price. They shouldn't even be able to sell one but someone will still buy it for some reason.

The great arguments here... Why not throw this in your excellent comparison since you didn't list features, etc: you can get a brand new Toyota Yaris for $12,000. Who would ever pay a dollar more for any used car?

wisbacks wrote:Still no tubes in a plasma. There are individual cells between the glass. I really think this person is confusing projection tv tubes with plasma tv's.

I'm not disputing the Phillips plasma tv issues here. That has more to do with the manufacturer than the technology itself. I wouldn't buy a "cheap" plasma just like I wouldn't buy a "cheap" LCD. It goes both ways.

THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube

No tube in a plasma. Individual cells yes, but no tubes.

parrotice wrote:Does anyone know if all this is true?

Better sets have PIP, and most TV sets have ATSC and QAM tuners built in.

However, in order to watch multiple TV channels via PIP you need at least two tuners, and most TV's only have a single tuner. Dual+ tuners are usually a feature for DVR stb's.

With modern PIP, you can watch TV, over another video input. So you can watch a bluray movie over HDMI and have the game on via PIP.

db4dbms wrote:240Hz means nothing...show me a source that inputs at even 120Hz...adding refresh rate when the info isn't there doesn't do anything

you don't know what you are talking about: nothing "inputs" at 120hz! Film based material is 24 frames while video sourced material is slightly under 30 frames. Multiplying the refresh rate DOES make a difference. All modern cd players oversample by many multiples...the fact that early cd players sounded so harsh is partly because this wasn't done (I repeat: partly).

parrotice wrote:I was looking into an LCD a while ago, and I was surprised to see that none offered pip. What's the deal. I since have found out that the reason no one offers PIP anymore on the TV is because of the switch to digital broadcasting. Allegedly, since everyone now needs a box of some kind (either cable or converter or whatever), that pip isnt valid anymore. Is that right? Does that make sense?

I have an old DELL 42" plasma that I'd love to replace (not anything wront with it, just older, runs very hot, too small). It has pip. I have it wired one input directly from my cable (which means it could get all but the digital chanels), and one input from the cable box. I could use the pip for all of my basic cable. I havent tried it since the conversion to digital broadcasting, but I fear it wont work anymore.

Does anyone know if all this is true?

aedelcid wrote:I also have this TV - the picture is amazing, my HD channels off my DirectTV service is crystal clear - it blows away all of my friends Bravias and Samsungs. Highly recommend it.

Tell your friends to properly calibrate their sets, then see which TV's do better.

Whats the difference between this set (52PFL7403D) and the one at CompUSA (52PFL5603d). Just looking at the model number, I would think (possibly incorrectly) that the Woot one is a nicer version, hence the low price at CompUSA.

Thoughts?

Woot Rocks!

thefooch wrote:For what it's worth I have the smaller version of this and to me it is pretty nice.

Agree. I have the 47" version, and the HD picture is spectacular. Upconverted DVDs look great...the kids gravitate to the Philips rather than watch a larger DLP set.

For those who might be unaware:

120Hz refresh rate is *required* for NVidia 3D glasses/card combo (any CUDA-enabled card using HDVI-HDMI cable to HDMI-in on TV/monitor + $199 wireless glasses 'kit', which includes HDVI-HDMI cable). See also: http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_Requirements.html ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLImrYqLsIA .

Using that combination inside a PC *should* access full 120Hz capability when connected to the TV (basically, by treating it as a 52" 1080p 120Hz 2ms PC monitor), and produce truly stunning 3D gaming, and 3D on *current catalog* TV/movies on the set. If you are a Mac user (i-Diot), as usual you have my sincerest condolences; but don't be sad: You have a great sense of personal style and are an interior decorating trendsetter!

It is likewise presumable that impending 3D TV programming will be best viewed at 120Hz refresh rates; others will suffer, or miss out altogether.

For these reasons alone, I would not even consider a 60hz LCD (plasma, bleh); they're soon to be obsolete in a way comparable only to SDTV...

fraserf wrote:Every Philips HD TV I've seen including other brands with guts from Philips have Lip Sync problems

yeah amen to that!!! it seems like they never talk synchronized

eric92103 wrote:Can this be used as a computer monitor? Does it work with a Mac?

I dont see why not. I plan on using it with my new MacBook Pro. I just ordered the Mini Display Port to HDMI plug from

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10428&cs_id=1042802&p_id=5311&seq=1&format=2

reinmasamuri wrote:$1200 for a refurb seems rather steep...

This price is definitely too high. You can find brand new ones online for $1299, but of course shipping is going to be a little more than $5. FYI, Target has a Philips 47" LCD on sale this week for $899.

I have the 32" version of this TV.

The reason that it's 1200 refurbished is because of the 2ms response time and 120Hz refresh rate.

It makes even basic cable, without a input box, look excessively smooth.