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Turken wrote:Thanks for the info. It's nice to have the explanation of why things work and not just how.

Plastic bags to stop condensation are pretty much a given. Fortunately I have some freezer bags in my desk already (don't remember why I bought them, but they're there). next question then is how cold and how long... icewater bath for a few hours, lunchroom freezer overnight, liquid nitrogen dip for a few minutes?



Lunchroom freezer overnight.

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Turken wrote:So I was talking with my boss about the lab computer hard drive that died the other day, and he had a suggestion that I've never heard of in all my years fixing computers for friends and family -- freeze the drive to resurrect it for a few minutes in which you pull all your important files off.

Anyone ever tried this? Doing a quick search on Google implies that it's done pretty often and works most of the time, but I'm still a bit skeptical.



Yes, it works. Briefly (<10 minutes). Double bag it in freezer bags, throw in some dessicant packs if you have them in each bag, and drop the whole mess in the freezer for a day (24 hours). Plug it back in, and if/when it boots up, have a ready-to-run backup scenario in place. Once you get in, you have until it warms up completely to get everything off.

If that doesn't work, I'd suggest one of the recovery places. I had good results with GillWare.

Edit: For god sakes don't put it in a waterbath!!1!

Also, liquid nitrogen will make the platter shatter upon access- so don't do that either.

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LittleMissRachel wrote:I've done it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, it really depends on the nature of the failure. It works because of the simple fact that metals conduct better at low temperatures, and as a result electronics work better and more efficiently


Turken wrote:Thanks for the info. It's nice to have the explanation of why things work and not just how.



some of the web pages i get to from googling claim it works for mechanical, not electronic, reasons. thermal shrinkage of parts may help unjam jammed parts. hence freezing the drive would not work if the drive still spins before freezing; a different problem, requiring a different solution.

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SkekTek wrote:Yes, it works. Briefly (<10 minutes). Double bag it in freezer bags, throw in some dessicant packs if you have them in each bag, and drop the whole mess in the freezer for a day (24 hours). Plug it back in, and if/when it boots up, have a ready-to-run backup scenario in place. Once you get in, you have until it warms up completely to get everything off.

If that doesn't work, I'd suggest one of the recovery places. I had good results with GillWare.


Again, good to have more tips. Only a few critical files to grab, so hopefully time won't be too much of an issue. Unfortunately, this computer was never on the network so we didn't have any regular back-up plan in place for the data. Might have to change that when the drive is replaced.


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Turken wrote:Again, good to have more tips. Only a few critical files to grab, so hopefully time won't be too much of an issue. Unfortunately, this computer was never on the network so we didn't have any regular back-up plan in place for the data. Might have to change that when the drive is replaced.



You might be able to make do with a USB thumb drive if you can use it...

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no1 wrote:some of the web pages i get to from googling claim it works for mechanical, not electronic, reasons. thermal shrinkage of parts may help unjam jammed parts. hence freezing the drive would not work if the drive still spins before freezing; a different problem, requiring a different solution.



I hadn't heard or thought of that...though it does sound reasonable. I always assumed it was the electronics.

In any case, it's a pretty safe thing to try, and you're not going to know if it'll work until you try it.

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LittleMissRachel wrote:I hadn't heard or thought of that...though it does sound reasonable. I always assumed it was the electronics.

In any case, it's a pretty safe thing to try, and you're not going to know if it'll work until you try it.



It won't necessarily cause any more damage that is already there, as long as condensation doesn't get in there, so it's pretty safe to attempt. But yes, if it's a boot sector problem, or something wrong with the partitioning, freezing won't work.

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SkekTek wrote:It won't necessarily cause any more damage that is already there, as long as condensation doesn't get in there, so it's pretty safe to attempt. But yes, if it's a boot sector problem, or something wrong with the partitioning, freezing won't work.

No expert here by any means but for my bro's hard drive, a tech here hooked it up as a secondary drive to another computer and left it running overnight. By the next morning, it had managed to read the HD contents and he could move the stuff to another device.



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DA59 wrote:No expert here by any means but for my bro's hard drive, a tech here hooked it up as a secondary drive to another computer and left it running overnight. By the next morning, it had managed to read the HD contents and he could move the stuff to another device.



That's what we normally do, but only for electronic problems, or cases where getting the data has to happen now. If there is a physical problem the drive will continue to damage itself if it runs, although it sounds like the freezing will give you a chance in the damaged case.

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DA59 wrote:Sooooo, one computer is recovered. Internal "situation."

Uhhhh, when you borrow something for a year and nobody knows about it, it's a theft. Duh.



Might be interesting to see what's on it.



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pooflady wrote:Might be interesting to see what's on it.



Probably just a bunch of pr0n and illegal media files.

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KtCallista wrote:Probably just a bunch of pr0n and illegal media files.



Wait, you found my computer?

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pooflady wrote:Might be interesting to see what's on it.

I can see what programs are there. Nothing out of the ordinary. Freaking idiot.



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Everything I know about freezing hard drives, I learned here!

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AZGman wrote:Everything I know about freezing hard drives, I learned here!



Some things need to be frozen to be hard. Like water.

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SkekTek wrote:Some things need to be frozen to be hard. Like water.



That explains the limp icecubes in the cupboard!!

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See ya from home . . hopefully!

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AZGman wrote:See ya from home . . hopefully!



byebye gman.

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SkekTek wrote:Some things need to be frozen to be hard. Like water.



I can think of other things...of course, on that train of thought, I can think of things where freezing has rather the opposite effect. =P

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AZGman wrote:See ya from home . . hopefully!



I hope your home computer boots for you!

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SkekTek wrote:Some things need to be frozen to be hard. Like water.



and my heart

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Me: “Sir, it says we have you in a room with two queen size beds. Is that correct?”

Wife: “That’s right. At home, we have a Tempur-Pedic bed, so when we stay places, we need two beds.”

Husband: “Yeah, I flail–”

Wife: “–he bounces in his sleep–”

Husband: “–and not in the good way.”

Wife: “Yeah, it starts out as the good kind of bouncing, and then it doesn’t stop–”

Husband: “Yes, honey, that’s TMI. TMI!”



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DA59 wrote:From Not Always Right:

Why Husbands Need Training Wheels
Hotel | Albuquerque, NM, USA


Me: “Sir, it says we have you in a room with two queen size beds. Is that correct?”

Wife: “That’s right. At home, we have a Tempur-Pedic bed, so when we stay places, we need two beds.”

Husband: “Yeah, I flail–”

Wife: “–he bounces in his sleep–”

Husband: “–and not in the good way.”

Wife: “Yeah, it starts out as the good kind of bouncing, and then it doesn’t stop–”

Husband: “Yes, honey, that’s TMI. TMI!”



I like the good kind of bouncing. ^_^

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LittleMissRachel wrote:I like the good kind of bouncing. ^_^

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Yeah, the one person bounce where they try not to knock off the glass of wine at the end... wait, that's not the kind you're talking about...

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//peering around// Am I in the wrong thread?



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pooflady wrote://peering around// Am I in the wrong thread?

That's what I was wondering.



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pooflady wrote://peering around// Am I in the wrong thread?



No, I am...I've been trying to Last Post in PWA all morning for some reason. One finally got through. >.<

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DA59 wrote:That's what I was wondering.



No but i'm glad you are lurking.

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SkekTek wrote:Yeah, the one person bounce where they try not to knock off the glass of wine at the end... wait, that's not the kind you're talking about...

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Oops.

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SkekTek wrote:Oops.



LOL!!!!!

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KtCallista wrote:LOL!!!!!



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Howdy, gang

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AZGman wrote:Howdy, gang



Howdy, Gman.

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AZGman wrote:Howdy, gang


Cooperative computer today?



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And now back to the lab for awhile....

(hmmm. maybe I should get a twitter account sometime. then I can pointlessly announce my comings and goings into the vast vacuum of the entire net!)


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I think it's nap time. And it's not even Wednesday.



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DA59 wrote:Cooperative computer today?


Nope; put a modem in my etch-a-sketch!!!

Silly, daj!!!

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pooflady wrote:I think it's nap time. And it's not even Wednesday.


G'nap!

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pooflady wrote:I think it's nap time. And it's not even Wednesday.



It's always Happy Nappy Wednesday in our hearts.

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AZGman wrote:Nope; put a modem in my etch-a-sketch!!!

Silly, daj!!!

You're pretty darn good with those knobs then!



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