is this going to filter out enough stuff to remove the taste and smell of sulfur from my parents' well water? The kool-aid is revolting; the iced-tea is gut-wrenching. I can't stand to even drink their coffee! I feel stupid when my family walks into their house with enough beverages to last our entire visit!

These things although look useless actually look really well. Me and my friend did an experiment where we took water from a water hose vs sink water vs bottled watter and we found out that blind folded we really couldn't tell the diffrence between the three.

*side note: the bottle water was deja blue.

redrumbstd wrote:There can be severe side effects in moderate doses, so when it's added to drinking water -- something people drink in HIGHLY variable quantities -- you should wonder just how much you're ingesting if you're a big water drinker like I am.

You would die from hyponatremia long before you ingested enough water to contain a toxic amount of flouride.

the1davey wrote:I don't suppose there is a way to recycle the filters after their done is there? Drinking the recommended 3.7 L of water per day means a new filter every 41 days per person. Does anyone know if all these filters just end up in a landfill?

First of all, the 3.7L is wrong, the "recommendation" is 8 x 8oz glasses = 64 oz = 1.9 L. But since you showed some of your work, you get partial credit. Second of all, that "recommendation" is completely unfounded and scientifically illiterate. A misquoted study in the mid-20th century analyzed typical adult american diets and found 64 oz of total water from all food sources, including beverages and solids. So while the typical diet had 64oz of water, there is NO EVIDENCE to support the need to drink 64 oz water each day. Obviously if you live in an arid climate, or work in a desert while wearing 50 pounds of gear, you need more water. But in regular old U-S-of-A, you're just peeing more and probably wasting water flushing the toilet more. I could go on and on, but I think I just did.

AlMart sells these for $19.97 each...put me down for TWO!

meliasen wrote:how does the adapter attach the sink? my sink doesn't have any threads... will this still work possibly?

You have to take off the airator then there are your threads.

technically everyone who bought "1" really bought 2

Can anyone tell me how much of a hassle it would be to fill this each time if you leave your faucet piece the way it is - sounds like you need to take the end piece off each time. Or can the nozzle thing from this filter stay attached - if my husband will let it? Another question - is the hose attached to the nozzle thingy and does it stay on if I decide to leave it on the faucet? Thanks for any clarification.

redrumbstd wrote:sdc100, if you're a "medical researcher", then you can also dig up the thousands of articles that point out the toxicity of fluoride. Because it IS a toxin. That "DO NOT SWALLOW THIS TOOTHPASTE EVER" is there for THAT reason alone. There can be severe side effects in moderate doses, so when it's added to drinking water -- something people drink in HIGHLY variable quantities -- you should wonder just how much you're ingesting if you're a big water drinker like I am.

And just to prove that you can dig up research to prove anything you want...

...in the US a decay increase of 43 percent occured in 29,000 students when 1ppm fluoride was added to drinking water.

Steelink, Cornelius, PhD, U of AZ Chem Department, in: Chem and Eng News, Jan 27, 1992, p.2; Sci News March 5, 1994, p.159

Wrong. You erroneously addressed an issue I never raised. Please quote where I EVER said that fluoride, in large quantities, is not toxic. Where did i say that? Read carefully: I addressed one point, and one point only: Whether fluoridated water helps prevent cavities. First read, the original post that I quoted from. Then read my post carefully. Where did I address the issue of toxicity? Yes, as a medical researcher, I am taught to read carefully. And then reply carefully. You should do the same.

As for your reference, you failed to provide an exact quote from teh study itself. First, was there a causal link? Or are they covariate? Or unrelated? For example, did the diet change?

And are you seriously going to trust dental health to a CHEMISTRY journal form 1992? Note that the sources provided by my sister are recent.

As for "you can dig up research to prove anything you want"-- that's really pathetic and something I hear a lot from people who don't know research methods. Good medicine is based on repeated studies, not a single occurrence. Simply put: metastudies show that fluoride in water help prevent tooth decay. Are you claiming that the majority of studies disagree with me? Want to make a bet?

You really think "you can dig up research to prove anything you want"??? Anything, eh? Okay, find me a study showing that Scotch tape increases the risk of ovarian cancer. Go ahead, I dare you. Your use of absolutisms and hyperbole -- and the inability to read carefully -- discredit your entire response.

Indeed, you didn't even bother to provide any epidemiological metastudies showing that those exposed to fluoridated water experience any pathologies at a greater rate.

Dman27 wrote:3 replacement pack at walmart

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9219238&findingMethod=rr

Good to know, thanks! This was my first question when considering to buy or not - where to get replacements.

cochrankevinm wrote:is this going to filter out enough stuff to remove the taste and smell of sulfur from my parents' well water? The kool-aid is revolting; the iced-tea is gut-wrenching. I can't stand to even drink their coffee! I feel stupid when my family walks into their house with enough beverages to last our entire visit!

Why don't you help your parents by installing a house-sized filter for where the "main" comes into the house? That way it solves the issue for all their water and they are very low cost/maintenance....

cochrankevinm wrote:is this going to filter out enough stuff to remove the taste and smell of sulfur from my parents' well water? The kool-aid is revolting; the iced-tea is gut-wrenching. I can't stand to even drink their coffee! I feel stupid when my family walks into their house with enough beverages to last our entire visit!

I am wondering the same thing... even thought i went ahead and bought 2.

anyone have any experience with this?

hugonher wrote:Easier to buy 6 pitchers and just recycle them when ur done. THANKS WOOT!!!!

Thats incredibly wasteful considering the energy it takes to produce and transport these items. Pretty much defeats the whole purpose of going "green" with your water. Oi vay, maybe one day the world will wake up...

midgetcl wrote:there's an indicator that turns from green to yellow when you have about 10 gallons left, then red when it's time to change. also, it gets noticeably slower to fill up (though still better than brita and without the little black specks falling into the water)

those black specks suck

I'm in for 2. Even with sales tax (I'm in TX) it comes to $10 for each pitcher, and each pitcher comes with a filter that's worth $10. I may give the extra two away as presents but if I don't I'll have two extra filters (if I read the description correctly that one filter comes with each pitcher and not one filter for both pitchers). Thanks for all the good comments about how many gallons and how much replacement filters are. Currently I fill up 2 gallons at a time at the Culligan stand in my neighborhood Walmart at a cost of 37 cents a gallon, so easy to do the math, plus save trips to store and carrying 2 gals (but it DID give my arms a nice workout).

sorry to be dense. I've read several different descriptions of how the water gets into the container. Do you HAVE to use the hose thing connected to the faucet, or can you pour water directly into the container?

sdc100 wrote:Wrong. You erroneously addressed an issue I never raised. Please quote where I EVER said that fluoride, in large quantities, is not toxic. Where did i say that? Read carefully: I addressed one point, and one point only: Whether fluoridated water helps prevent cavities. First read, the original post that I quoted from. Then read my post carefully. Where did I address the issue of toxicity? Yes, as a medical researcher, I am taught to read carefully. And then reply carefully. You should do the same.

As for your reference, you failed to provide an exact quote from teh study itself. First, was there a causal link? Or are they covariate? Or unrelated? For example, did the diet change?

And are you seriously going to trust dental health to a CHEMISTRY journal form 1992? Note that the sources provided by my sister are recent.

As for "you can dig up research to prove anything you want"-- that's really pathetic and something I hear a lot from people who don't know research methods. Good medicine is based on repeated studies, not a single occurrence. Simply put: metastudies show that fluoride in water help prevent tooth decay. Are you claiming that the majority of studies disagree with me? Want to make a bet?

You really think "you can dig up research to prove anything you want"??? Anything, eh? Okay, find me a study showing that Scotch tape increases the risk of ovarian cancer. Go ahead, I dare you. Your use of absolutisms and hyperbole -- and the inability to read carefully -- discredit your entire response.

Indeed, you didn't even bother to provide any epidemiological metastudies showing that those exposed to fluoridated water experience any pathologies at a greater rate.

girls girls you are both pretty

ckeilah wrote:and most of those chemicals are not in your tap water, even before it goes through your carbon block. I wonder what items the carbon block ADDS to your water. Are these made in China by factory workers who wouldn't know what to do with a bar of soap if they had one? :-/

I was curious about this myself (about what the filter may add, not about what to do with the bar of soap). As well as the aspect of how the used filters affect the environment after their usefulness has expired in the pitcher. Hmmmm

sdc100 wrote:Wrong. You erroneously addressed an issue I never raised. Please quote where I EVER said that fluoride, in large quantities, is not toxic. Where did i say that? Read carefully: I addressed one point, and one point only: Whether fluoridated water helps prevent cavities. First read, the original post that I quoted from. Then read my post carefully. Where did I address the issue of toxicity? Yes, as a medical researcher, I am taught to read carefully. And then reply carefully. You should do the same.

As for your reference, you failed to provide an exact quote from teh study itself. First, was there a causal link? Or are they covariate? Or unrelated? For example, did the diet change?

And are you seriously going to trust dental health to a CHEMISTRY journal form 1992? Note that the sources provided by my sister are recent.

As for "you can dig up research to prove anything you want"-- that's really pathetic and something I hear a lot from people who don't know research methods. Good medicine is based on repeated studies, not a single occurrence. Simply put: metastudies show that fluoride in water help prevent tooth decay. Are you claiming that the majority of studies disagree with me? Want to make a bet?

You really think "you can dig up research to prove anything you want"??? Anything, eh? Okay, find me a study showing that Scotch tape increases the risk of ovarian cancer. Go ahead, I dare you. Your use of absolutisms and hyperbole -- and the inability to read carefully -- discredit your entire response.

Indeed, you didn't even bother to provide any epidemiological metastudies showing that those exposed to fluoridated water experience any pathologies at a greater rate.

Seriously? Come on folks, this is WOOT for god sakes...

Excellent deal!

I have one at home and love it, this one will be my buddy at work and the extra will go to a friend. I paid $25 for the one I have at target, so even with shipping added in you will pay 60% less per unit if you buy here.

On another note, WHERE THE HECK IS THE WOOTOFF??????? 2 months already, geeezzzeee!!

redrumbstd wrote:sdc100, if you're a "medical researcher", then you can also dig up the thousands of articles that point out the toxicity of fluoride.
[...]
And just to prove that you can dig up research to prove anything you want...

...in the US a decay increase of 43 percent occured in 29,000 students when 1ppm fluoride was added to drinking water.

Steelink, Cornelius, PhD, U of AZ Chem Department, in: Chem and Eng News, Jan 27, 1992, p.2; Sci News March 5, 1994, p.159

Thousands of articles, eh? I tend to use peer review journals. Are you claiming there are "thousands of articles" on the toxicity of fluoridated water? Again, exaggerations only make you look silly.

As for your irrelevant reference I just searched the profesional version of Medline and it doesn't exist although there are papers by C Steelink. Hmmmmm I wonder what that tells us...? Either the reference is fake or that it has no medical value, thus no included in the world's largest medical reference database. And yes, fake references are often used by those in fringe health. I exposed more than a few of them on Amazon forums, i.e. the dangers of microwave ovens. But more often than not, references are misused and misquoted.

bullmeister wrote:Don't like your teeth? If it doesn't filter out fluoride, you could just give your teeth a sugar water bath every night after brushing for the same effect. Actually, that sounds tempting.

For those of you unaware of the skepticism on fluoride, here is just one of many sources that you may be interested in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ys9q1cvKGk

You can eliminate the sulfur smell by leaving the water in a bottle, open, on the counter over night. The smell will dissapate naturally.

cochrankevinm wrote:is this going to filter out enough stuff to remove the taste and smell of sulfur from my parents' well water? The kool-aid is revolting; the iced-tea is gut-wrenching. I can't stand to even drink their coffee! I feel stupid when my family walks into their house with enough beverages to last our entire visit!

flgator8 wrote:Try and see if your faucet can unscrew off. Usually you take off the piece on the bottom and the adapter replaces that piece.

Hey, why dont you see if you can go screw off!

FYI for all those who are buying these as cheap gifts......As a wife, mother, and grandmother-to-be, I SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF! 1 or more of these as a gift for any occasion. Practical, certainly, but a woman likes something that is more than just practical as a gift. Even a roomba would be better....at least it does the vacuuming for you while you relax!

Need hints? Flowers, candy, a call, a gift of your time, or something "fun" to use, like a computer, Wii, Xbox, GameBoy, a puzzle, game, a woot monkey, etc. Or just ask her for a list of things she would like. I'm sure a water filter wouldn't be on that list! Just sayin'

LisaEsca wrote:I'm in for 2. Even with sales tax (I'm in TX) it comes to $10 for each pitcher, and each pitcher comes with a filter that's worth $10.

Woot has some mechanism (a coupon code?) where Tx residents get the sales tax refunded so they effectively play no taxes on purchases. Look through the FAQ.

amytntmom wrote:sorry to be dense. I've read several different descriptions of how the water gets into the container. Do you HAVE to use the hose thing connected to the faucet, or can you pour water directly into the container?

Here's a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scasrGEFMRg

You have to do a one-time installation of an adapter onto your faucet and then hook the pitcher into that adapter thereafter. The whole initial process should take less than 5 minutes. Also check out the Amazon reviews.

does anyone know if these work in dorm rooms. usually the sinks are smaller. does the pitcher have to be in the sink to fill? thanks.

RWoodward wrote:You would die from hyponatremia long before you ingested enough water to contain a toxic amount of flouride.

At one sitting yes, but since most of drink water everyday, and fluoride can build up in your system, there is still plenty of reason to be skeptical of the effects of fluoride.

Wrong,no. Erroneous, maybe. Im still on RED's side on this. I stopped using fluoridated products a long time ago based on the research that I've done.

sdc100 wrote:Wrong. You erroneously addressed an issue I never raised. Please quote where I EVER said that fluoride, in large quantities, is not toxic. Where did i say that? Read carefully: I addressed one point, and one point only: Whether fluoridated water helps prevent cavities. First read, the original post that I quoted from. Then read my post carefully. Where did I address the issue of toxicity? Yes, as a medical researcher, I am taught to read carefully. And then reply carefully. You should do the same.

As for your reference, you failed to provide an exact quote from teh study itself. First, was there a causal link? Or are they covariate? Or unrelated? For example, did the diet change?

And are you seriously going to trust dental health to a CHEMISTRY journal form 1992? Note that the sources provided by my sister are recent.

As for "you can dig up research to prove anything you want"-- that's really pathetic and something I hear a lot from people who don't know research methods. Good medicine is based on repeated studies, not a single occurrence. Simply put: metastudies show that fluoride in water help prevent tooth decay. Are you claiming that the majority of studies disagree with me? Want to make a bet?

You really think "you can dig up research to prove anything you want"??? Anything, eh? Okay, find me a study showing that Scotch tape increases the risk of ovarian cancer. Go ahead, I dare you. Your use of absolutisms and hyperbole -- and the inability to read carefully -- discredit your entire response.

Indeed, you didn't even bother to provide any epidemiological metastudies showing that those exposed to fluoridated water experience any pathologies at a greater rate.

sdc100 wrote:Thousands of articles, eh? I tend to use peer review journals. Are you claiming there are "thousands of articles" on the toxicity of fluoridated water? Again, exaggerations only make you look silly.

As for your irrelevant reference I just searched the profesional version of Medline and it doesn't exist although there are papers by C Steelink. Hmmmmm I wonder what that tells us...? Either the reference is fake or that it has no medical value, thus no included in the world's largest medical reference database. And yes, fake references are often used by those in fringe health. I exposed more than a few of them on Amazon forums, i.e. the dangers of microwave ovens. But more often than not, references are misused and misquoted.

I sure wish people would start taking things a little more seriously around here...

HMroczkowski wrote:Nothing about fluoride?

Calcium fluoride is insoluble in water, so filtering it is dependent on how small a particulate the filter is capable of filtering. Clear20 doesn't publish that nugget, but it probably does. Carbon force filters are usually pretty good up to submicron.

ckeem wrote:At one sitting yes, but since most of drink water everyday, and fluoride can build up in your system, there is still plenty of reason to be skeptical of the effects of fluoride.

What are those reasons, and are they supported by high quality peer-reviewed studies?

Wikipedia has an excellent overview on the issue. As with all Wikipedia articles, don't rely on the text but go back to the source references provided at the end.

Conclusion: There are no good studies showing that water fluoridation has an adverse effect on a population. Indeed, most studies show no such effect. On the other hand, there is ample evidence that it helps prevent tooth decay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

momof2angels wrote:Can anyone tell me how much of a hassle it would be to fill this each time if you leave your faucet piece the way it is - sounds like you need to take the end piece off each time. Or can the nozzle thing from this filter stay attached - if my husband will let it? Another question - is the hose attached to the nozzle thingy and does it stay on if I decide to leave it on the faucet? Thanks for any clarification.

It is very easy to refill. My wife has had one for about a year and we are still on the original filter. The fill hose does stay attached to the pitcher and there is nothing to change out every time it needs filled. The only downside and its no to bad, is we can not turn the faucet on to high or it will leak at the top of the pither. to much water pressure, it still taakes less than a minute to fill.

cochrankevinm wrote:is this going to filter out enough stuff to remove the taste and smell of sulfur from my parents' well water?

Some of my family members have had similar complaints about their well water and have tried various models of filtration pitchers (although I'm not certain if they used this exact brand) to varying degrees of success, but none was able to completely remove that "fresh-from-the-well" taste. We concluded that this was due to the various water sources that bypassed the filtered pitcher, such as the water used by the ice maker. As orielbean mentioned earlier, the best way to clean up well water is to install a system that filters/conditions the water between the well pump and where the water line enters your house (for example, see http://thewellguru.com/). Those systems are more sophisticated that these little filters and will allow you to filter all the water coming into your house, not just the drinking water.

cochrankevinm wrote:is this going to filter out enough stuff to remove the taste and smell of sulfur from my parents' well water? The kool-aid is revolting; the iced-tea is gut-wrenching. I can't stand to even drink their coffee! I feel stupid when my family walks into their house with enough beverages to last our entire visit!

There is no filter system that will remove the hydrogen sulfide from water. What will remove hydrogen sulfide from water is aeration. Letting the water sit for a couple of days in an open container works. Using a fish tank aerator (bubbler) can speed up the process.

Again: the stink is hydrogen sulfide and no filter will remove it.

Totally agree...I was born in LA (don't know if they still flouridate water - raised on east coast). My teeth are horrible since I never got them straighted, and are now chipped beyond belief, but I don't have a single damn cavity and my underlying bone is as strong as steel.

Everything we see, say, drink or eat has a positive and negative effect. Nothing is 100% except the eventuality of death.

sdc100 wrote:WRONG. You have "no idea" because you don't bother doing research, instead relying on myths and hearsay. Sorry kooosh, but good science and public health is not based on "common sense." It's based on research and data. And this type of question requires epidemiological studies where factors such as toothpaste use are controlled. Only then would we know if fluoridated water is effective. The medical literature says that it works.

As a medical researcher, I know better than to rely on your word so I called my sister, a dentist and MPH. Here's a list of references she provided, with quotes, mostly from PEER-REVIEWED journals.

The study by Machiulskiene et al (#4) is especially revealing, as it directly compares two populations with different levels of fluoride in drinking water. Other factors such as diet, dental care and toothpaste use were controlled, thus eliminated.

And btw, if water fluoridation does nothing, why is it encouraged by public health officials? Is there some sort of fluoridation conspiracy by the fluoridation industry? is someone making billions off this? Think about it.

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1) "The addition of fluoride to public water supplies was an important ally in the improvement of the oral health of Baixo Guandu inhabitants."

Saliba NA, Moimaz SA, Casotti CA, Pagliari AV. Dental caries of lifetime residents in Baixo Guandu, Brazil, fluoridated since 1953--a brief communication. J Public Health Dent. 2008 Spring;68(2):119-21.

2) "Although there are differences of opinion regarding the cause of this global dental caries increase, the remedy is well known: a return to the public health strategies that were so successful in the past, a renewed campaign for water fluoridation..."

Bagramian RA, Garcia-Godoy F, Volpe AR. The global increase in dental caries. A pending public health crisis. Am J Dent. 2009 Feb;22(1):3-8.

3) "Reticulated water fluoridation in Auckland reduces the risk of dental caries...in 9-year-old children."

Kanagaratnam S, Schluter P, Durward C, Mahood R, Mackay T. Enamel defects and dental caries in 9-year-old children living in fluoridated and nonfluoridated areas of Auckland, New Zealand. Community Dent Oral Epidemiol. 2009 Jun;37(3):250-9. Epub 2009 Mar 19

4) "a greater number of inactive lesions and fewer fillings were found in the '1.1 ppm fluoride' group than in the '0.3 ppm fluoride' group..."

Machiulskiene V, Baelum V, Fejerskov O, Nyvad B. Prevalence and extent of dental caries, dental fluorosis, and developmental enamel defects in Lithuanian teenage populations with different fluoride exposures. Eur J Oral Sci. 2009 Apr;117(2):154-60.

5) Ajayi DM, Denloye OO, Dosumu OO. The fluoride content of drinking water and caries experience in 15-19 year old school children in Ibadan, Nigeria. Afr J Med Med Sci. 2008 Mar;37(1):15-9.

bullmeister wrote:So silly, in fact, that I actually believe those charts that show crashing rates of cavities after the introduction of fluoride!

kooosh wrote:Yeah, you'll also notice that this is exactly when they started putting fluoride in toothpaste. These statistics you are pointing to are ridiculous.

No, water fluoridation began in the 1940's. Fluoride wasn't added to toothpaste until the 1970's. In those intervening 30 years, cavity reduction was so pronounced that the CDC calls water fluoridation one of the ten great public health achievements of the 20th century. The effect clearly had nothing to do with fluoridated toothpaste

Current studies continue to provide proof that water fluoridation prevents cavities, even with toothpaste use. See my previous post for references.

i wonder if i can now drink my own pee out of this filtration pitcher

sdc100 wrote:Woot has some mechanism (a coupon code?) where Tx residents get the sales tax refunded so they effectively play no taxes on purchases. Look through the FAQ.

The coupon code is "TAXSUCKS", and it allows orders shipping to Texas addresses to get free shipping. Note that the coupon code only works on orders where the sales tax is greater than (or at least close to) $5, so it won't work on small purchases.