in for 3 PCI's

Invisiblemoose wrote:[quote user=pakopako]I'm tempted to get it, as it gives my old Piii-1GHz machine running XP a video input... but since it won't be for gaming due to lag, it'll make it a cheap DVR right?

No, it'll make a crummy DVR. You're better off just LANing AOEII on that thing.[/quote]
But I would think since the 650 PCI card has a dedicated hard decoder, the system requirements (what ARE the processing requirements?) would be much lower. (The Piii has 1.5 GB of RAM and a terrabyte drive, so RAM and HDD are no issue)

EddieAngel333 wrote:ATTENTION BTW

THESE ARE NOT MADE BY ATI THEY ARE MADE BY DIAMOMD UNDER LICENCE FROM ATI

SOME HAVE LINKED THE ATI PAGE AS THE MANUFACTURER !

ATI DOES MAKE THEIR OWN VERSIONS THIS IS NOT THOSE !
THESE ARE MADE BY DIAMOND !
AND ARE A GREAT MAKER AND VALUE !
THEY MAY HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFRENT STATS !

HERE IS THE LINK TO DIAMONDS PAGE...

http://www.diamondmm.com/TVW650PCIE.php

I doubt it is that model, unless Woot has completely failed it both it's specs and pictures of the items and boxes.

But if it is the Diamond model, it comes with better specs and a remote...so no problems with that. Diamond's model is 130 dollars retail on their site.

In for 1 PCI version....HW decoding is a no brainer.

digitoast wrote:You missed the ATI reference that I also included, with a fine print footnote saying that only the PCI-express version will support clearQAM. Look for footnote #2 on the page:
http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/index.html

i need clear QAM, so i am interested in your discussion.

Can you click on this link and read footnore#5

thanks

chefjoe wrote:I have a 650 PCI tuner that I use to record clear QAM from comcast. Even the 650 PCI website says it supports clear QAM. You, sir, are incorrect in saying it does not.

http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/pci/index.html

I have comcast also

how does it work with comcast and how many channels do you get ?

digitoast wrote:FYI, folks:

The 650PCI does NOT have clearQAM support! You must buy the 650PCI-express if you want clearQAM.

The lack of clearQAM on the PCI is well documented on many reputable sites. Ex: the first google hit for "ati tv wonder 650 qam" returns http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=950104

And if you look at ATI's own product description:
http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/index.html.
You'll notice: "ClearQAM cable TV^2" referencing the fine print:
2: ClearQAM digital TV... ...Supported on ATI TV Wonder 650 Combo PCI Express

Not sure that's correct. ATi's site says it IS supported on the 650 PCI. Check the product matrix.

http://ati.amd.com/products/tunermatrix.html

uttitanfan wrote:I didn't see anything about included software on a CD. I bought a ATI USB 600 stick about 2 years ago and lost the CD. Now I can't find how to download PVR software from the ati site. They only want you to download the ati catalyst drivers. IF it is there it is buried. So here is the question:

Do you have to download the PVR software or is it included?

Then you fail at the internetz

http://support.amd.com/us/psearch/Pages/psearch.aspx?type=2.5&product=2.5.1.3.3.3.3&contentType=GPU+Download+Detail&ostype=&keywords=&items=20

maddog56 wrote:I doubt it is that model, unless Woot has completely failed it both it's specs and pictures of the items and boxes.

But if it is the Diamond model, it comes with better specs and a remote...so no problems with that. Diamond's model is 130 dollars retail on their site.

In for 1 PCI version....HW decoding is a no brainer.

Look at the pictures, it's definitely the Diamond version of the card. I don't see too many differences from the ATI versions.

Here's the site for the 650PCI
linkapotamus

Also on that site QAM isn't listed as a feature for the 650PCI, and is for the 600PCIe

And one last thing, it also lists the 650PCI as dual tuner and the 600PCIe as single tuner. Myth confirmed!

Both come with a remote, and the PCI version comes with the breakout box for the AV inputs (S-Vid, Composite vid, stereo audio)

(EDIT!!!! It doesn't look like the Woot version comes with a remote, since it isn't listed on the box...)

I have a ton of experience with TV tuners and this is a really sweet deal... go for the 650PCI NOW if you are on the fence, you won't regret it, especially if you've already got a version of Windows that has Media Center.

Oh wow: the PCI version is a dual tuner one (separate analog and digital TV tuners).

This means that you can record digital TV while watching something else on analog TV and vice versa. So, if you have analog cable TV (I honestly don't know if they still have analog cable TV in the US), it's pretty awesome. I'm not familiar with ATI's software, but dual tuners also means that it's possible to do picture in picture simultaneous viewing of analog and digital TV.

On the PCIe version, it uses a single silicon tuner for both analog and digital, so you can only toggle between them (watch/record one channel at a time).

MrSpiffy wrote:Not sure that's correct. ATi's site says it IS supported on the 650 PCI. Check the product matrix.

http://ati.amd.com/products/tunermatrix.html

Right now it's a software/driver issue...

It is supported under Windows Vista

There is no driver yet for Win 7, but logic follows that if it works under vista it should work under 7 seeing as how they tend to share driver functionality.

I have time warner cable.

No box...coax goes straight to TV.

i have empty slots for either card. Which one do i get for it to work?

Im confused as hell!!

Anorion wrote:Looks like no Linux or Mac support for this one. I can't even find if there are 64-bit Windows drivers. Anyone?

With some effort and Vista drivers, I got my 650pci card working on 64-bit Windows 7.

Is it true what someone posted that ATSC HD doesn't need a built-in encoder, so the pcie version is fine? Anyone confirm or deny?

Hmm looks like they only include the bare hardware for this purchase. There are no other wires, antennas, remotes, or CDs?

Does anyone know how we'll be installing drivers/software?

And does anyone have any recommendations for other software other than the one provided?

maddog56 wrote:Right now it's a software/driver issue...

It is supported under Windows Vista

There is no driver yet for Win 7, but logic follows that if it works under vista it should work under 7 seeing as how they tend to share driver functionality.

The last 2 posts here allude to win7 problems.

http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=266&threadid=110460

Good info and reports on getting the 650-pci to work under Windows 7 can be found in this thread: http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=119292

In for one.

spaceywilly wrote:Look at the pictures, it's definitely the Diamond version of the card. I don't see too many differences from the ATI versions.

Here's the site for the 650PCI
linkapotamus

The link eddie posted that I replied to was the for the PCIe version. The diamond version he linked to has dual tuners, the PCIe version on the woot site does not.

I will agree that the PCI card looks like the same one, but the difference in packaging and lack of remote leads me to think it is NOT the diamond version of the PCI either.

What? No remote? Amazon and NewEgg both have the remote included, but at $50-$60 more. Still on the fence on this one...

maddog56 wrote:I doubt it is that model, unless Woot has completely failed it both it's specs and pictures of the items and boxes.

But if it is the Diamond model, it comes with better specs and a remote...so no problems with that. Diamond's model is 130 dollars retail on their site.

In for 1 PCI version....HW decoding is a no brainer.

I agree Diamond makes great stuff !

but when you click on the button the next page on the order pick they are both listed as HD 650's
only one is PCIe and the other as PCI

AND YES WOOT HAS SCREWD UP MANY TIMES !!!
THET DON'T EVEN LIST THESE AS A DIAMOND PRODUCT !
AS YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE LISTED AS ATI

ATI MAKE THEIR OWN VERSION !

EddieAngel333 wrote:I have comcast also

how does it work with comcast and how many channels do you get ?

i'm goin on a hunch here, but in order for this to work with comcast, will i need to run the cable from the wall to the comcast cable box then to this tuner? i ask this because my only cable box is downstairs and my comp is upstairs (no i will not get a 100foot cable lol).. however, if i don't need the cable box, then i'll be in for one =) thanks in advance

maddog56 wrote:I doubt it is that model, unless Woot has completely failed it both it's specs and pictures of the items and boxes.

But if it is the Diamond model, it comes with better specs and a remote...so no problems with that. Diamond's model is 130 dollars retail on their site.

In for 1 PCI version....HW decoding is a no brainer.

Actually if you look at the image of the box on the front page, it does indicate Diamond on the box. It just doesn't have the large red color column. The box is all black with Diamond in white letters.

I'm more confused then when I started reading the posts!

dubious wrote:The last 2 posts here allude to win7 problems.

http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=266&threadid=110460

Agreed, issues should be resolved for Win7 when ATI releases updated drivers next year.

For now I have a vista/7 dual boot, so I'm good to go

seriously, does this come with a remote, or an OEM box? I'm confused cause the picture shows the retail box, but the text seems to say its OEM. (and if it does include the remote, will it works with windows media center?)

btvsphobicphobe wrote:I've only got a laptop - can an enclosure be found for it and will it work with a toshiba satellite?

No, this will not work and I know of no enclosure for it. You would need a PCMCIA or Express card tuner depending on your laptop hardware, or usb.

ATTENTION

THESE ARE NOT MADE BY ATI
SO DON'T GO BY THE SPEC's ON THE ATI PAGE
READ THE DIAMOND PAGES FOR FULL SPEC's

scottman54 wrote:Is it true what someone posted that ATSC HD doesn't need a built-in encoder, so the pcie version is fine? Anyone confirm or deny?

confirm. The ATSC stream is digital and is captured bit-for-bit digital. No encoding necessary for ATSC. NTSC is analog and gets a boost from hardware-encoding.

maddog56 wrote:Right now it's a software/driver issue...

It is supported under Windows Vista

There is no driver yet for Win 7, but logic follows that if it works under vista it should work under 7 seeing as how they tend to share driver functionality.

Sounds like come clarification is necessary in the description. Thanks for that! I'm using Vista Ultimate 64-bit, so I'm happy. My friend, who's getting the second for Christmas has XP 64-bit, so he may not be as excited. But I'm sure he'll still be happy with it.

maddog56 wrote:The link eddie posted that I replied to was the for the PCIe version. The diamond version he linked to has dual tuners, the PCIe version on the woot site does not.

I will agree that the PCI card looks like the same one, but the difference in packaging and lack of remote leads me to think it is NOT the diamond version of the PCI either.

Interesting I didn't notice the differences in the packaging, but the Woot pictures definitely say Diamond even if the boxes aren't exactly the same. Maybe this is a version that doesn't come with the remote since the remote isn't in the woot pics.

luhai167 wrote:seriously, does this come with a remote, or an OEM box? I'm confused cause the picture shows the retail box, but the text seems to say its OEM. (and if it does include the remote, will it works with windows media center?)

Here is what it should come with.

ohwhoaitzjoe wrote:Hmm looks like they only include the bare hardware for this purchase. There are no other wires, antennas, remotes, or CDs?

Does anyone know how we'll be installing drivers/software?

And does anyone have any recommendations for other software other than the one provided?

It's called the internets... You will find drivers on the ATi web page (or the Diamond site, if that's really who made these). There should also be instruction manuals and such for download. Seeing as you were able to post on the internets, you should be able to download these items without any problems.

I'm in for one of each. However, if the ATI software fir these is as bad as what came with the ATI HDTV USB tuner that woot.com sold a few weeks ago, this could be less the than wonderful. What does everyone recommend for a better alternative to the ATi TV software?

This is a great price, so I figured that it's worth it to grab a couple.

pakopako wrote:Here is what it should come with.

Notice the box in the Newegg pic says "Remote Control Included"

The Woot box pic doesn't say that... I don't think this one has the remote

ericmac017 wrote:i'm goin on a hunch here, but in order for this to work with comcast, will i need to run the cable from the wall to the comcast cable box then to this tuner? i ask this because my only cable box is downstairs and my comp is upstairs (no i will not get a 100foot cable lol).. however, if i don't need the cable box, then i'll be in for one =) thanks in advance

If your area has "digital cable" from comcast there is a good chance that there's clear QAM versions of the locals and perhaps even the expanded basics. Some areas (portland, seattle, etc) have had DTA box rollouts on comcast that have further encrypted those QAM signals but, frequently, local stations are passed in clear QAM rather than encrypted. You can get an idea of what's available with a clear QAM capable HDTV and the following channel map for your zip code. http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels

theturtleguy wrote:Mac? Linux?

According to http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD#ATI_Graphic_cards_with_TV_Tuners_and.2For_Capture_facilities, these cards are not supported under Linux with MythTV.
That seals it for me. I have a MythTV box with an Hauppauge card. Would have been nice to replace that with an HDTV card, but not with this one.

pakopako wrote:Here is what it should come with.

No, that is a different box than what woot is selling:

http://sale.images.woot.com/VA11020A_specs2.jpg

All you're missing is the crappy remote and the shoddy software, assumably.

It's still a retail package, though. Not OEM. Assumably...

SEEDEN wrote:Will it fit into my Dell SmallFormFactor box?
The Dell spec says I have a "Low-Profile" PCI slot.

The Diamond Site lists both as
Standard Profile Full-Height

So I guess I am not in! I got a Boggy Old Creature today though!

YouCantWootThis wrote:I'm in for one of each. However, if the ATI software fir these is as bad as what came with the ATI HDTV USB tuner that woot.com sold a few weeks ago, this could be less the than wonderful. What does everyone recommend for a better alternative to the ATi TV software?

This is a great price, so I figured that it's worth it to grab a couple.

Windows Media Center. I've tried them all and WMC is really great. Since the PCI version has a hardware MPEG encoder is *should* work, but the PCIe probably won't. I'm not 100% positive though, but I have an older HDTV wonder card and it doesn't work in MCE because it doesn't have the MPEG encoder. I also have a Hauppage card with nearly identical specs to this card and it works fine.

Invisiblemoose wrote:No, that is a different box than what woot is selling:

http://sale.images.woot.com/VA11020A_specs2.jpg

All you're missing is the crappy remote and the shoddy software, assumably.

It's still a retail package, though. Not OEM. Assumably...

But don't you need the shoddy software... or at the very least the crappy remote (and not-included IR receiver?)

And what's this I read on the Diamond Homepage about the processor requirement being a Pentium4 or Celeron?? I have a P3, which should out-pace a Celeron, right?

http://www.diamondmm.com/TVW650PCI.php

maddog56 wrote:Right now it's a software/driver issue...

It is supported under Windows Vista

There is no driver yet for Win 7, but logic follows that if it works under vista it should work under 7 seeing as how they tend to share driver functionality.

iTunes won't even run on my computer running windows 7 ultimate 64 bit. Every time I run iTunes, the system has to go into XP compatibility which is a pain.

i want one but I dont know what to get or if its gonna work!

Time warner digital cable with no cable box...just straight cable to the tv