m3talcore wrote:It says "record and play at the same time", doesn't say different channels. Still, at $20 each you might as well grab two.

Says so on bottom of the box. But does seem to have an * disclaimer following that....

veedub91 wrote:Problem is that the picture also shows it as a 650pci dual tuner. When the 650pci is only a single tuner.

The second coax hookup is for the FM radio. MY Hauppage PVR-150 MCE had the same thing.

In for 1. Can't beat that price.

SpartanIV2 wrote:The second coax hookup is for the FM radio. MY Hauppage PVR-150 MCE had the same thing.

The box it self says HD 650 dual tuner.

A friend of mine gave me his HTPC but I'm not sure which card I can use in my system.

HTPC running Windows 7. Radeon X850 (not sure if it's the XT or PRO edition but it's got a single VGA and single DVI output).

Motherboard has one PCI Express x16 slot (that's where the Radeon is sitting), 2 PCI Express x1 slots, and three PCI slots.

Windows 7 support, anyone?

jjmai wrote:Says so on bottom of the box. But does seem to have an * disclaimer following that....

It's a dual tuner?

veedub91 wrote:Problem is that the picture also shows it as a 650pci dual tuner. When the 650pci is only a single tuner.

You're right, that's odd - but it doesn't have anything to do with the 600PCIe/650PCIe confusion.

Regarding the 650PCI - either the box is wrong (and Woot is wrong) or we have a card that isn't available elsewhere.

It could possibly be the result of a short production run that was shut down before large quantities were made. Maybe Diamond found the bandwidth of the PCI slot too limiting and disabled/got rid of the dual tuner for subsequent runs?

In case you're wondering, yes, you can put these in any size PCI/PCI-e slot, it doesn't have to be a smaller one, you could put them in an x16 slot if desired.

From the messages and the information provided on the home page, it is uncertain if there are other items included with the tuner cards, including the remote.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a remote that would work with this tuner card?

If possible, I'd like a all-rounder remote, that could control my system volume, skip my media players music, etc. If not, something that could control the tuner software or media player would suffice.

ohwhoaitzjoe wrote:From the messages and the information provided on the home page, it is uncertain if there are other items included with the tuner cards, including the remote.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a remote that would work with this tuner card?

If possible, I'd like a all-rounder remote, that could control my system volume, skip my media players music, etc. If not, something that could control the tuner software or media player would suffice.

For something cheap:
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Control-Infrared-Receiver-Ultimate/dp/B00224ZDFY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1260287582&sr=1-1

UPDATE: Ugh. I just checked the board layouts by looking up the models, and it looks like the PCI version is not a dual tuner, but a single hybrid tuner (with 2 inputs). The reason I say this is because you can see how the board layout differs from the dual tuner PCIe model(NOT the one Woot's offering):

Hybrid PCI version: http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/pci/index.html
Dual tuner PCIe version: http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/pcie/index.html

Note the blank space on the PCI version's board where the 2nd tuner would normally be.

So, please ignore the italicized bit:

jjmai wrote:Not only, but both packaging boxes say they can "watch one channel & record another simultaneously". I thought only dual tuners can do that...

It is a dual tuner unit; in terms of TV card code speak, that's why it's a "combo" unit instead of a "hybrid" unit. Hybrid means that you can watch/record digital TV OR analog TV, not both. Dual tuner allows for simultaneous watch/record shenanigans.

You should note that "watch one record another" is limited to:

"watch digital TV / record analog TV OR input"
"watch analog TV OR input / record digital TV"

You can not do something like:

"watch one digital channel / record another digital channel"
"watch one digital channel / record another digital channel"
"watch one analog channel / record from analog input"
"watch analog input / record from analog channel"

SpartanIV2 wrote:The second coax hookup is for the FM radio. MY Hauppage PVR-150 MCE had the same thing.

Note that your Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE (oooooooold old card now btw) did not have a digital TV tuner. The coax inputs here are digital TV and analog TV/FM radio(shared input).

From the woot description:
-F-Type Coax input for Analog TV / FM Radio
-F-Type Coax input for HDTV (ATSC or Clear-QAM)

EddieAngel333 wrote:WRONG ONLY THE 600 PCIe HAS A COMPONENT IN
DUDES JUST LOOK AT THE PIC's

THAT IS IF IT REALLY IS THE 600 LOL

(Component -> Composite, you mean) The 650 uses an A/V port adapter that plugs into what looks like (but is not) an S-Video port. This is why it says A/V In, and not S-Video In when you look at the close up on teh port. The A/V port has become common, and makes board layouts much easier to create and deal with because they can just slap on an A/V port and not have to worry about where/how to place up to 4 inputs (composite, audio r, audio l, s-video). BTW, easy on the caps please, thanks.

betnbuddy wrote:what is the best thing I can buy to get NET FLIX at the lowest price

I believe you're in the wrong place.

Will this work with comcast??

veedub91 wrote:The box it self says HD 650 dual tuner.

Chances are it's the pic of the box that's wrong. The specs in the Woot description match up precisely with those of the ATI TVW650PCI. "ATI" is mentioned some 20 times in the Woot description. The only indication I see that this is a Diamond card (other than supposition in posts here) is the pic of the box.

AFAIC, the tell-tale is that the warranty is provided by ATI.

Which is more likely-- that Woot mentioned ATI twenty times by mistake *and* wrongly listed the ATI card specs instead of the Diamond specs, or that the pic of the box was a mistake?

Likewise the 600/650 PCIe confusion. The text refers to the PCIe card as a 600 repeatedly, where 650 is only mentioned at the very top of the main page and on the order page.

My bet is these cards are exactly what the description says they are-- a TVW600PCIe and a TVW650PCI, both made by ATI.

As an aside, many thanks to the poster who provided the link to the workaround for Win7. It was much appreciated. Some great info here, amongst the rudeness and capital letters.

Motz wrote:For something cheap:
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Control-Infrared-Receiver-Ultimate/dp/B00224ZDFY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1260287582&sr=1-1

Awesome! This looks like just what I need. And one of the reviews confirms that it is Windows 7 compatible too.

Thanks Motz.

ohwhoaitzjoe wrote:Awesome! This looks like just what I need. And one of the reviews confirms that it is Windows 7 compatible too.

Thanks Motz.

Hey no problem enjoy.

I already have 2 ATI TV Wonder 600 USB Tuners, but I do have 1 open PCI and 1 open PCIe, so I think I will pick up one of each. You can never have too many tuners

I'm confused Motz. Why would you want more than two tuners on one system? I have some hold on why you might want two of these tuners, to watch and record different channels for a certain signal, but why three or more? Is it just to record several channels at once ?

trackaddicts wrote:Chances are it's the pic of the box that's wrong. The specs in the Woot description match up precisely with those of the ATI TVW650PCI. "ATI" is mentioned some 20 times in the Woot description. The only indication I see that this is a Diamond card (other than supposition in posts here) is the pic of the box.

It's an ATi chip, yes, but almost certainly manufactured by Diamond...

And Woot doesn't use stock photos -- they take the product photos themselves.

I'm interested in hooking up consoles to my pc and using my monitor to play them. Which card should I choose?

Invisiblemoose wrote:It's an ATi chip, yes, but almost certainly manufactured by Diamond...

And Woot doesn't use stock photos -- they take the product photos themselves.

ATI makes a card with the same part number, which does support QAM, where the Diamond version apparently does not (from what I can tell from the description on their site). The Woot description says the 650 supports QAM. It also says the warranty is provided by ATI.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think it's a Diamond card (other than the pic)? Not trying to be difficult, just trying to clarify the situation.

trackaddicts wrote:My bet is these cards are exactly what the description says they are-- a TVW600PCIe and a TVW650PCI, both made by ATI.

$10 and a box of Polaroid designer faceplates says that they're the Diamond versions, which have those exact same model numbers.

When in doubt, just look at what buy.com has in stock (hint: it's the Diamonds).

Plus, as previously mentioned, Woot takes the pictures themselves, so that's pretty much a dead giveaway right there.

I have a Sabrent card which I bought 5 dollars cheaper and it came with a remote. It is decent and for eliminating a second monitor/TV in my bedroom it works well.

chefbooyadee wrote:
It is a dual tuner unit; in terms of TV card code speak, that's why it's a "combo" unit instead of a "hybrid" unit. Hybrid means that you can watch/record digital TV OR analog TV, not both. Dual tuner allows for simultaneous watch/record shenanigans.

You should note that "watch one record another" is limited to:

"watch digital TV / record analog TV OR input"
"watch analog TV OR input / record digital TV"

You can not do something like:

"watch one digital channel / record another digital channel"
"watch one digital channel / record another digital channel"
"watch one analog channel / record from analog input"
"watch analog input / record from analog channel"

Yeah, I get that. But notice both the 600PCIE hybrid tuner and 650PCI dual tuner boxes say the same thing about being able to watch and record simultaneously. I think there's something seriously fishy about Diamond's packaging.

octowoot wrote:$10 and a box of Polaroid designer faceplates says that they're the Diamond versions, which have those exact same model numbers.

When in doubt, just look at what buy.com has in stock (hint: it's the Diamonds).

Plus, as previously mentioned, Woot takes the pictures themselves, so that's pretty much a dead giveaway right there.

Hmmmm. The pic of the card on buy.com doesn't match the one on Woot.

If it's a Diamond card why doesn't the description reflect that? And why is the warranty from ATI instead of Diamond?

I'll ask you the same thing I asked the moose-- what, other than the box pic (and the fact that buy.com has Diamonds in stock) makes you think it's a Diamond rather than an ATI, as stated in the description?

BTW, you can have my ten bucks but you ain't getting my Polaroid designer faceplates. ;-)

Kooper113 wrote:In case you're wondering, yes, you can put these in any size PCI/PCI-e slot, it doesn't have to be a smaller one, you could put them in an x16 slot if desired.

LMAO
PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE

YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE

betnbuddy wrote:what is the best thing I can buy to get NET FLIX at the lowest price

THERE IS A LIST ON NETFLIX

http://www.netflix.com/NetflixReadyDevices?lnkce=nrd-otab

AN X BOX OR PS 3 WOULD BE NICE

YOU NEED AN ADAPTER TO SEE IT IN HD

OTHERWISE IT'S 480p OVER A COMPUTER HOOK UP

AS FAR AS PLANS GO, THE CHEAPEST PLAN NETFLIX HAS FOR STREAMING IS $8.99

mid917 wrote:Will this work with comcast??

YES ON THE LOWER CHANNELS
DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU LIVE
USE TO BE UP TO ABOUT 72
BUT THEY ARE STARTING TO ENCRYPT ALMOST EVERYTHING
THIS ONLY WORKS WITH UNENCRIPTED CHANNELS

Can this be used to record video from my television, let's say game play footage from my Xbox to my computer?

kerneltrap wrote:the picture of the 650 box on woot's page lists the 650 as a dual tuner, is that true?

two Cable inputs is usually a clue as to a dual tuner

flatlandr wrote:two Cable inputs is usually a clue as to a dual tuner

one could be for FM. ATI description says one tuner.

Breaking the balls woot. Don't buy this card for gaming its meant just to watch TV. I suppose it could handle the original Half Life (maybe) but if you are looking to buy a card for gaming, this is not it.

I have the ATI TV Wonder HD600 USB TV Tuner (from woot), which is similar, except that it is external. The card has worked well for me without installing the software that came with. Mainly because windows 7 and windows media center have a dvr-type function that this card will use to record scheduled shows as long as the computer STAYS ON. However, Im not sure if it is the USB only or all cards, but there is a high-pitched "whine" that comes from the card when my speakers are turned on. Another set of speakers yielded the same results and after doing a little research I learned that this problem is typical.

trackaddicts wrote:Hmmmm.
If it's a Diamond card why doesn't the description reflect that? And why is the warranty from ATI instead of Diamond?

I'll ask you the same thing I asked the moose-- what, other than the box pic (and the fact that buy.com has Diamonds in stock) makes you think it's a Diamond rather than an ATI, as stated in the description?
;-)

Thats what Woot does. Happened on the last ATI tv tuner they sold. Said it was ATI and everyone received a diamond. Which is common

ATI TV Wonder™ HD 650 Combo PCI Express®

The ATI TV Wonder™ HD 650 Combo PCI Express (PCIe) TV tuner

Two built-in (dual) tuners. you can watch, pause, or record HDTV on your PC. Watch analog TV while recording digital TV at the same time. Supports over-the-air digital TV / HDTV1 (ATSC) and cable analog TV (NTSC), Clear QAM (unscrambled) digital HD cable2 and FM radio.

Wish I would have waited for this instead of the ATI 600 USB I bought a month back or so...oh well.

LMAO

YER GONA LOVE THIS
yes this is "DUAL" TUNER

only problem is..
one is analog and one is digital

as far as I know everyone stopped broadcasting analog back in may lol

so the analog tuner is useless !

http://www.diamondmm.com/TVW650PCI.php

EddieAngel333 wrote:LMAO
PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE

YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE

Thank you for your informative post which explained how I am wrong.

I'm not. You can use these in a 16x slot without issue.

Please for the love of the Internets, tell me WHY anyone is talking about gaming in this discussion?

This is NOT a regular video card. It has nowhere to plug in your monitor. It will NOT make pictures for you.

It INPUTS the TELEVISIONS and lets you watch it on your computer monitor (with regular Video Card.)

(YES ATI does make cards that also send pictures to your monitor, they're called "ALL IN WONDER".)...

I have no need for one of these right now, but really want. Wifey will get mad though....
Hmmmmm....

matthewdehaan wrote:Wish I would have waited for this instead of the ATI 600 USB I bought a month back or so...oh well.

I bought that one too !

it's a nice one too and you can use it with laptops ! and is basicly the same thing

you can always sell it on eBay !