mluker wrote:Its all gimmick. Nothing broadcasts higher than 60hz anyways. It doesn't really matter. Also, 720p vs 1080p is a wash especially if you are watching blu-ray. Blue-ray pushes 24hz so 1080i will 100% look like 1080p. There is no diff.

Try dividing 60/24 or say 120/24 now which one is better for Blu ray?

carol2bs1grl wrote:Jeez.....must have made some impression on somebody! Alas, I am still forgettable, lol

My husband still remembers you and he doesn't even w00t. Maybe he's afraid I really will Fedex him using Smartpost. ;)

kippyj wrote:Yes, but somehow I suspect your brand of instigation might have gotten you banned if you'd joined in to THAT little bash.

I mean, what's the point of being really mean to someone who's generally really nice to everybody? It seems a little sad...pathetic even.

Hey, bite me! (Redscot68)

Happy day! something i don't want/need managed to survive my commute. bring on the carp!

stazja01 wrote:It depends on the company and the process. I bought a refurb zune 80 from woot awhile back. First one froze out of the box and had white spots on the screen. After sending it back Microsoft sent me a totally different refurb unit... which wouldn't synch past 3 gigs. Sent that back and they finally sent me a new one that I still have. It took me several months and three units to get a working one. So yes, it can be wise to be cautious about refurbs.

My girlfriend's ipod classic (refurb directly from apple.com) is still going strong after over a year though.

I am rather tempted by this tv though (saw the other price-would buy it there first). I'm still running an old tube sanyo that was a walmart floor model about seven years ago. Thing ways a ton and has a grainy picture compared to my 22" computer monitors. This especially hurts when split-screening a game on the 360. Just not sure if I want to drop the money on this.

There are exceptions to everything. Your experience was with one item from a certain company. One bad company doesn't mean the rest should be held accountable. With your logic you should have loved refurbs after your girlfriends experience. Get what I mean? Not trying to jump you or anything. Just trying to make some sense.

Have a great day my friend!

Has there been a baby of the cosmos yet? Someone told me there was one of the first day, but I missed it apparently.

tivonutdc wrote:Try dividing 60/24 or say 120/24 now which one is better for Blu ray?

120 for sure, I see your point.

meliarobin wrote:Hey, bite me! (Redscot68)

Uh oh, here comes trouble.

tivonutdc wrote:http://tinyurl.com/y87de4z

with LCDs there is a difference. Yeah, I'm not looking for the 240 yet but refreshing twice makes the motion smoother. LCD are particular problematic with motion.

I still disagree- but as I said, when I was sitting in front of a ~50" playing at 120 Hz a few years ago (in a circuit city- ha ha!) it gave me a headache to watch. Maybe the tech has improved since then. Then again, I still won't buy DLP because of the whole color wheel issue. Mind you, I don't buy TVs or monitors- I use projectors and have never looked back.

carol2bs1grl wrote:Jeez.....must have made some impression on somebody! Alas, I am still forgettable, lol

Oh, also...you know who ought to be here? Yakeshinu and Mysteria to name but two...and where's Bucknekkid? TexasTim showed up for about two seconds yesterday. An awful lot of people are AWOL. I hope that means their personal economies have improved rather than the alternative!

kippyj wrote:I thought that was hilarious. I guess they didn't get the joke?

Or went overboard with some really juvenile humor.

quantamm wrote:Check out the picture of the box!

http://sale.images.woot.com/MN94167C_specs9.jpg

Oh come on... who doesn't like tearing up an experienced, broken-in box every now and again?

DarthVanderlay wrote:Uh oh, here comes trouble.

That was a short nap!

in for 1, my ps3 is tired of the tube tv its hooked up to

cheshire255 wrote:Or went overboard with some really juvenile humor.

Six of one, half dozen of the other. My comments weren't deleted. They were just making fun of myself. Can't beat a sense of humor into people. Too bad.

wootmeharder wrote:After all the HELL and PITA I went through with WOOT...I feel the need to warn others.

COSTCO COSTCO COSTCO!!!!!
TWO YEAR FREE WARRANTY!!!!!

Not knocking your post, but that warranty isn't really free, you are paying a membership after all......... And you still have to shop around, Costco isn't always the best price.

kippyj wrote:My husband still remembers you and he doesn't even w00t. Maybe he's afraid I really will Fedex him using Smartpost. ;)

Ooo, excellent.....I made one impression! *eyebrow wag* Heya baby....no need to fear being shipped....I'll take GOOD care of ya.....bwahahahaha!

kippyj wrote:Oh, also...you know who ought to be here? Yakeshinu and Mysteria to name but two...and where's Bucknekkid? TexasTim showed up for about two seconds yesterday. An awful lot of people are AWOL. I hope that means their personal economies have improved rather than the alternative!

Oh no kidding! And Vin -- he hasn't been around for awhile either!

bcchiang wrote:in for 1, my ps3 is tired of the tube tv its hooked up to

You might regret that decision. The tube will beat LCD on motion blur. Could actually decrease your enjoyment.

jaylsanders wrote:Has there been a baby of the cosmos yet? Someone told me there was one of the first day, but I missed it apparently.

Nah. Any time you want to see what you've missed, just click the community tab at the top of the page.

i had this tv and it was amazing, all around.

however, there is a slight problem, but it's fixable. the speakers hum. all the time.

hopefully woot sends this information out to everyone who buys this tv. i got it from slickdeals and it was a godsend. through this secret menu, you can also remove the inputs that you don't use. since i only cycle between VGA and TV, i no longer had to press the input button on the remote 8 times to switch. pretty useful.

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32LB30Q hum fix
From JD at oncorpus.com [manufacturer of the 32LB30Q]
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Please follow these instructions, should fix the hum issue:

1. Turn tv on
2. Input mode should be tv
3. Turn volume to zero
4. With remote enter 9 8 7 6
5. A menu will appear on left side
6. Arrow down to backlight and with right arrow key move number from 81 to 83, press menu button twice,
7. Turn up volume and listen if hum is gone.

anyone find any reviews? i cant find them on amazon, newegg, or anywhere else...

broklynite wrote:I still disagree- but as I said, when I was sitting in front of a ~50" playing at 120 Hz a few years ago (in a circuit city- ha ha!) it gave me a headache to watch. Maybe the tech has improved since then. Then again, I still won't buy DLP because of the whole color wheel issue. Mind you, I don't buy TVs or monitors- I use projectors and have never looked back.

I returned two LCD TVs (60hz) because the motion was just to jerky and ended up with a DLP. I don't get the rainbow effect that others do but I get horrible motion sickness from some 3D movies. I am super sensitive to movement. My dad's LCD does not give me the headache of the 60hz. Also BluRay actually has to deal with the odd differnce in Hz not harmonic.

kippyj wrote:Nah. Any time you want to see what you've missed, just click the community tab at the top of the page.

Awww, see, look how helpful you're being to the newbies! You're so sweet.......can't imagine why anyone would ever want to be mean to you! ;)

carol2bs1grl wrote:Oh no kidding! And Vin -- he hasn't been around for awhile either!

Vin Diesel? Remember when I said he'd be the perfect man if he had duct tape on his mouth and a tray full of drinks? JadenKale photoshopped that and emailed it to me. I use it as my wallpaper on my netbook (which is off limits to kids).

Come on woot. This is not a good price. Honeslty, you can pick up these cheap 32's for this price everywhere.

WierdBMD wrote:What are quality posts good for and how do you get them?

You basically have swear a lot while saying something useless and irrelevant.

I need 26in come on woot. 26in 26in 26in

Also - Just to add to the Proscan brand discussion. As mentioned - Proscan is an RCA brand, but to add further clarification, it is the RCA "Elite" brand. Now since RCA stopped actually building anything years ago, I doubt if there is a lot of difference, but it likely has a little better specs/ feature set than the equivalent RCA.

Also on Refurbs... a very large number of refurbs are returned simply for buyer remorse or other non- quality issues:
Bought the wrong size
Got two for birthday
Super Bowl Party is over...

Actually that last one is HUGE... buy your refurb TV in March and it likely is OK with less than 10 hrs of usage.

I have nothing to say about the current item, I just thought I'd stop lurking in the threads like a creepy old man.

http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2010/01/phuket-fancy-scaffolding.jpg

Yea I said it. CARP!!!

carol2bs1grl wrote:Awww, see, look how helpful you're being to the newbies! You're so sweet.......can't imagine why anyone would ever want to be mean to you! ;)

Oh, stop. I lurked here for six months before I had the nerve to say anything. I saw how they beat up on the noobs. SOMEBODY should be nice to them...after all, they may buy up the junque we don't want...

tivonutdc wrote:yeah, 720p and 60Hz

Wish I had you guys ultra-powerful eyesight. With my only-human vision, I cannot tell the diff between 720p, 6oHz, and 1080p, 120Hz on a 32 incher. Hmmmmm.....

nikkipoooo wrote:I have nothing to say about the current item, I just thought I'd stop lurking in the threads like a creepy old man.

Nikki!!! YAY!

kippyj wrote:Vin Diesel? Remember when I said he'd be the perfect man if he had duct tape on his mouth and a tray full of drinks? JadenKale photoshopped that and emailed it to me. I use it as my wallpaper on my netbook (which is off limits to kids).

*drool* I might NEED a copy of that picture!!! *drool*

Sorry about the mess guys....I'll get someone in here to mop that up!

kippyj wrote:Yep. I've been here for all of those. The thing is, just when you get comfortable, w00t makes a change. Were you here for the uproar when they changed the green color of the website? It went on forever, with w00t apparently enjoying every second of it. They like it when we complain. It stands to reason that sooner or later they'll switch up on us with the baggies.

Anyone here play A Tale in the Desert? It just struck me that the same sort of attitude could be said of their devs. Give 'em something they like, then mess with it and watch 'em squirm.

mcman44 wrote:I bought a Refurb Proscan 32" LCD 5 years ago and it is still rolling like it was new. As I've said many times, I buy everything refurb. Listen people, refurb is no different than a new pristine unit. Why do people assume that it's a damaged good? Do some research, will ya!?

Every refurb I've purchased is still just as good as new and I've bought tons of them. Don't confuse reconditioned or something done at a second vendor with refurb. Refurbished goods are done at the factory they came from and in most cases they never get out of the factory before being fixed.

refurb or used take your pic.
there's no standard on what a refurb is.
a return, used or fixed up by the manufacturer. they usually work but still...

tivonutdc wrote:I returned two LCD TVs (60hz) because the motion was just to jerky and ended up with a DLP. I don't get the rainbow effect that others do but I get horrible motion sickness from some 3D movies. I am super sensitive to movement. My dad's LCD does not give me the headache of the 60hz. Also BluRay actually has to deal with the odd differnce in Hz not harmonic.

I've met two people who on sitting in front of my projector (LCD, 720p, 60Hz) get awful motion sickness- one of whom is my brother. I haven't figured it out yet, but I think it has something to do with the frame rate.

I know its refurbished, is that why the box is banged up and held together with tape?

cheers .....wintoes

Mostly confirming what others have posted but:

I like to do side-by-side comparisons of TVs in appliance stores - this means a lot more to me than comparing specs. On a slow night, a helpful salesperson will often be happy to put the same blu-ray disc on a few sets. I've found -

It's nearly impossible to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 32" screen.

120 and 240Hz are mostly hype. You have to seek out specific fast-action scenes to see a difference (I found it was more obvious if the scenes were darker too). It's even harder to tell with a 1080i sports broadcast.

Of course, that doesn't mean I don't want a huge 1080p screen with 240Hz. I'm a guy, after all.

kerrycindy wrote:Wish I had you guys ultra-powerful eyesight. With my only-human vision, I cannot tell the diff between 720p, 6oHz, and 1080p, 120Hz on a 32 incher. Hmmmmm.....

Truly I cannot tell the difference between the 720p and 1080p on a 47" screen but I can with the 60hz and 120hz with a LCD. I think 720p is fine for a 32" screen. 1080 is over kill.