artjunkie


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Steels do not actually sharpen knives.

From wiki:
"Honing steels do not sharpen blades, they hone blades: honing removes only thin, ragged fragments from the edge, and otherwise aligns the existing edge by moving the metal, not removing significant quantities of metal. Formally, honing plastically deforms and straightens the material of the blade's edge which may have been rolled over irregularly in use. By contrast, sharpening removes significant metal, creating a new edge. Honing is primarily used to straighten out an edge that is still thin, but has rolled over on itself; if the edge has become blunt, honing has little effect, and the blade must instead be sharpened. However, this distinction is not always made, and honing steels are commonly if improperly referred to as sharpening steels."


If you invest in a set of knives like these, you should have them professionally sharpened. There are sharpeners for home/ personal use, but there's a pretty big range in terms of quality. I'd rather trust mine to people who know what they are doing, despite the inconvenience. I am also lucky enough to have a knife specialty store about 40 minutes away.

alinski


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Talesin wrote:Ouch. If I was going to pay this much for a set of knives, they sure as **** wouldn't have a serrated edge.

Shun's a great name, but with no ability to use a knife steel for truing or re-sharpen these with any measure of ease at all when they /eventually/ dull, they'll end up as throwaways, no matter how long it takes them to finally degrade to the same level as any bargain-bin set.



You can send the knives to the manufacturer and they will sharpen it for you for free. All you pay is cost of shipping it to them. See http://www.kershawknives.com/faq.php?brand=shun.

lesmana


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acanarelli wrote:I recognize that there's a lot of know how and hard work, not to mention expensive materials, that go into making a high quality knife. However during these times, when your neighbors are out of jobs and maybe some of your own family members are looking for work, it's hard to justify spending this kind of money on a knife. After all, many of us are on Woot to save money on more practical things.



And others of us are on here to impulse-buy stuff that look cool. I appreciate the ethic of frugality, but it sort of sounds like you're sort of implying that it's wrong of Woot to sell a $150 knife. That doesn't seem fair.

gwbaker


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I am a bit skeptical of the lifetime sharpening and warranty...

I have a lifetime warranty from benchmade, a well known us knife maker. I have the same guarantee.They have had to repair the knife twice due to manufacturer defect. Thank my lucky stars they are still in business. Do you know these folks will still be in business??? Also, these knives appear to be stamped rather than forged. Do a simple web search and you will find a lot of information about how a forged knife is much better than stamped.

I will take a pass....

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XxMerlinxX


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Shiftlock wrote:Anybody know what kind of material the handles are made from, and how durable it is?



The handles are made from Pakka Wood, which is a man-made resin impregnated form of plywood. Very durable, you'd have a hard time breaking it.

midsantiam


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I am by no means a great chef, but I do work as a cook and love good kitchen gadgets. I personally would not spend that much on knives, especially serrated knives that have limited purposes. For $30-$40 you can buy a Forschner/Victorinox 10 or 12 inch chef's knife that works just as good as most expensive knives out there.

Tim Derby

mbmanaus


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WARNING: These are gateway knives. After you use one Shun you WILL become addicted and splurge on many others which you may or may not be able to afford.

I have the Kaji Fusion version of the larger knife. (Identical design with the shiny, higher quality blade) and it is absolutely spectacular for bread and meat carving among other things. If you can build a set including this large carving knife, a paring knife, an 8" Chef's or Santoku knife and a midsize 4" or 6" chef's there is little that you can't do.

As mentioned in other posts, Shun will sharpen these for the life of the knife and they will cover return shipping. I have had the larger knife for over a year and haven't even thought about getting it sharpened. Serrated knives simply don't require honing as often as normal blades.

uncchris


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Just a reminder to all who purchase - hand wash. The info page says it's "recommended," but I'd say it's pretty much essential. Putting a knife like this in the dishwasher isn't a good idea.

jjohanneson


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These knives are awesome!! Bought the set with the butcher last time... these two knives will fill in beautifully!

bobcat68


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For that price I can hire someone to cut my veggies.

mbmanaus


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gwbaker wrote:I am a bit skeptical of the lifetime sharpening and warranty...

I have a lifetime warranty from benchmade, a well known us knife maker. I have the same guarantee.They have had to repair the knife twice due to manufacturer defect. Thank my lucky stars they are still in business. Do you know these folks will still be in business??? Also, these knives appear to be stamped rather than forged. Do a simple web search and you will find a lot of information about how a forged knife is much better than stamped.

I will take a pass....



Kai has been around for 90 years so a lifetime warranty is pretty solid. The forging process for these blades is much more intense than most companies, to suggest that they are stamped is ridiculous. Check out this video for insight into the production process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2mNYd6QRAE

bloodgain


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ryanmorris wrote:Most knife/cutlery stores will professionally sharpen even serrated knives for less than $10. Of course, you need to have a knife store in your proximity to use their services and most have been put out of business by Wal-Mart...



Absolutely right. Serrated is not always a bad word -- some knives, including certain types of slicing knives, should be serrated. For instance, the 9" slicer here is a good choice for bread. The 5" looks less useful to me, but it might make a good knife for tomatoes and other soft items with tougher skin.

Technically, these are called "reverse scalloped" edges. They *can* be sharpened using triangle hones or certain kinds of crock sticks, but it's better to spend the $10 every 6 months and let a professional help you.

chardonay


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Shun sharpens them free for life, so sharpening isn't an issue. I have 3 sets of these, for our house, cabin and motorhome. They may be expensive but once you use something like this, you can't even think of going back to a wiltshire or walmart knife

What Contemptible Scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch??

shamcy


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Talesin wrote:Ouch. If I was going to pay this much for a set of knives, they sure as **** wouldn't have a serrated edge.

Shun's a great name, but with no ability to use a knife steel for truing or re-sharpen these with any measure of ease at all when they /eventually/ dull, they'll end up as throwaways, no matter how long it takes them to finally degrade to the same level as any bargain-bin set.



Throwaways ?!?! LOOOOOL
These come with lifetime FREE sharpening from the manufacturer directly. All you have to do is pay for shipping and they will sharpen them for free.

markhaas


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Pooracle wrote:Everyone needs a high quality knife set. If you have cheap knives, these will make all the difference.



But these are just for cutting onions?

surge13


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wow some people bought 3

apctek1998


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Forschner Knives are great for me, you just need to know how to use a wet stone and a steel. my knives can cut paper mid air without a snag. I am a retired butcher however. Old School yes but my knives are sharper by far than any knife out on the market.

cheroke55


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surge13 wrote:wow some people bought 3



They are reselling them on eBay for a profit. ;)
Or they're very generous gift givers

uhiforgot


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Sorry, Woot writers, I gotta be the steel geek.

These ones aren't done with SG2, if they were they'd be Kaji Fusions with the steel end cap at the end of the handle (and they'd cost about $75 more).

These are done with VG10 which is still some of the best steel you can get in kitchen knives anyway. No shame in buying these.

EDIT: And here's a link to the official page for the long slicer
http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=235&brand=shun

shamcy


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gwbaker wrote:I am a bit skeptical of the lifetime sharpening and warranty...

I have a lifetime warranty from benchmade, a well known us knife maker. I have the same guarantee.They have had to repair the knife twice due to manufacturer defect. Thank my lucky stars they are still in business. Do you know these folks will still be in business??? Also, these knives appear to be stamped rather than forged. Do a simple web search and you will find a lot of information about how a forged knife is much better than stamped.

I will take a pass....



How can you tell these are stamped and not forged ?

shamcy


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cheroke55 wrote:They are reselling them on eBay for a profit. ;)
Or they're very generous gift givers



Or they are keeping one set and selling the other two so their set ends up being free.
Or they have two married daughters, so a set stays home, and a set for each daughter.

shamcy


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BuyaTV wrote:I don't want to want these knives...but I love them! I try to tell myself that a knife isn't worth this much money, but they are incredible...I am hopelessly lost.



Oh Come on ... you are the first sucker .... just admit you are a SUCKER for a good knife.

peapd


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In response to an earlier post:

DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT

DO NOT Take these to get sharpened at your local cutlery store. (I have a handful of Shuns and learned this the hard way)

These are ground at a very specific angle (15 degrees if memory serves - different than every other major knife company on the planet), your local guy will not be able to do this correctly. The factory uses lasers and such...

Also, these serrated knives will probably never need to be sharpened in your lifetime, but if they do, mail them in.


Moment of Sanity: if you just cook at home, go buy the $10 serrated at your local restaurant supply store and throw it away a couple years from now.

I run an actual restaurant kitchen, that's what I do.

bagpiper


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I think they are follow the 'unbranded' theme from last night - 'famous maker' = Ronco!

MrD3a7h


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mbmanaus wrote:Kai has been around for 90 years so a lifetime warranty is pretty solid. The forging process for these blades is much more intense than most companies, to suggest that they are stamped is ridiculous. Check out this video for insight into the production process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2mNYd6QRAE



Was that these knives I saw at about 2:00 in?

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partzispartz


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uncchris wrote:Just a reminder to all who purchase - hand wash. The info page says it's "recommended," but I'd say it's pretty much essential. Putting a knife like this in the dishwasher isn't a good idea.



Great advice!! Definitely worthwhile! Hand washing is the best way to avoid spreading disease when you're prepping food. You don't need fancy antibacterial soaps, just use the same dish soap you use for washing these knives.

shortymcsmalls


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Ok, playing devil's advocate for a moment. A high end knife has a few distinct characteristics that make it expensive and potentially worth buying. It's all in your point of view.

1. The knife steel- High end steel (like the VG-10) will stay sharp for much longer than a cheaper steel. I can't say too much about the forging process, but from personal experience, I've used high end knife sets that haven't needed to be sharpened for about 1 year. And I'm a moderate level home cook (I usually make 3-5 dinners per week that involve some decent knife work) As a Boy Scout, you learn that a sharp blade is a safe blade when properly handled. A dull blade will cause you to use more pressure which can cause the blade to slip and CUT YOU.

2. The BALANCE of the blade- I'm speaking both of the actual weight balance, as well as the balance of components. A good knife will always feel a little heavier, allowing you to truly SLICE rather than hack at something(this goes along with the safety I was talking about). The knife should do most of the work for you, you just need to guide it. Also balancing the handle size to the steel and the shape of the blade are important considerations.

3. Polish and width of the blade- A nice knife will almost always be thinner than a cheap, and as such needs to have higher end steel (see above). Because the blade is thinner, it creates less drag when slicing or chopping, creating more uniform and faster work. Also, nicer blades are polished, also decreasing drag when cutting. As such, these knives should NEVER be put in the dishwasher, it will dull your knife faster than anything else, not to mention the sustained heat can damage the polish.

4. The handle- A high end knife will have a handle designed to handle stress and use (i.e. it won't start wobbling after a few months) making the knife SAFER and easier to use.

Now, for the person who barely cooks from scratch, you will probably never see the need for this. However, if you find yourself in the kitchen often, you will save yourself TIME and energy (as we all know, time is MONEY). Not to mention SAFETY(frankly, I would pay a couple hundred for nice knifes and avoid that hospital visit because of something stupid that I didn't pay attention to). So while you may think a cheap set is just fine, which may be the case, a true knife set is absolutely essential(in my opinion) to someone who does a lot of work with a knife.

ON THE NEGATIVE: These are a serrated blade, meaning their utility will be somewhat diminished, and sending in for sharpening can be somewhat of a hassle. However, the large knife looks to me like a good bread knife, which you probably won't need to sharpen for an incredibly long time(i.e. YEARS). The serrated edge is designed for products with a tough exterior and soft interior, like bread, tomatoes, and other similar food items. NOT ideal for anything that you need clean, quick cuts. If you will make use of these knifes, this is a good deal. If not, pay no attention to this woot and come back tomorrow.

P.S. Once you use good knifes, you'll never want to use anything else. My Wusthof set had to be disposed of (long story) and I'm stuck with using an old Cutco set that hasn't been properly maintained and a single 7" Wusthof Santoku. I almost exclusively use my Wusthof because I can't stand anything else, and I really miss my Chef's and Paring knives...

mbmanaus


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MrD3a7h wrote:Was that these knives I saw at about 2:00 in?



Those aren't these particular knives but they are Ken Onion. The one on the bamboo stand is the 8" Chef's Knife. It is certainly more useful than these serrated knives. If you are interested I would suggest buying it at Bed, Bath & Beyond. WIth one of their 20% coupons you can pick it up for 160 and it comes with that stand. The other advantage to BB&B is the liberal return policy. You can take it back any time, no questions asked if you decide that you don't like/need it.

packsofwolves


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she said i got two Shun Ken Onion knives here, baby

come on, babe, buy them, don't say maybe

i'm just a teenage sous chef baby, like you

oohoohooh oooo0oooh

bjsebeck


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I really hope that you mean they're so sharp that you're dangerous. Strictly speaking, sharp knives are less dangerous than dull or damaged knives. They make a clean cut, which heals much more cleanly than the cuts of a dull blade. Yes, you do not have any kind of "hey, I think I might be cutting myself" moment before the deed is done, but that just requires you to be careful and develop good knife skills.

patreezia wrote:I love my Shun knives, but as I said, they're so sharp they're rather dangerous. Scary.



kat8480


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Shipped ground of course!!!No knives on planes.
What if I lived in Alaska snails cant swim can they

ThorsHammer


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I have nothing to add, all my knives are stolen from Bonanza. I just wanted to see my way cool icon

riffrafff


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artjunkie wrote:Ken Onion is an award-winning American knife designer, and is the lead designer at Kershaw.


Actually, as Ken is no longer exclusive to Kershaw, I don't think he qualifies as "lead designer" there any longer. While he was certainly one of the more well-known names while he was with Kershaw, they are fortunately not lacking in blade designers. Witness the work of Grant & Gavin Hawk, Tim Galyean, RJ Martin, and Lee Williams, to name but a few.

radi0j0hn


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A work at a facility that has a first rate restaurant. They laugh at these. They also buy Thai knives from a local Asian store for $5 and throw them away in 90 days and by more.

acpress.com Not cute, but useful.

riffrafff


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radi0j0hn wrote:A work at a facility that has a first rate restaurant. They laugh at these. They also buy Thai knives from a local Asian store for $5 and throw them away in 90 days and by more.


Define "first rate restaurant."

In my estimation, chefs that do not understand the importance of owning and maintaining quality cutlery are not really "chefs."

In this business, we call them "fry cooks."

jklyank


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This is hilarious! The thing that's more amazing is the nut jobs that will be experts on just these knives, and why it is a wonderful deal!

jklyank


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artjunkie wrote:Steels do not actually sharpen knives.

From wiki:
"Honing steels do not sharpen blades, they hone blades: honing removes only thin, ragged fragments from the edge, and otherwise aligns the existing edge by moving the metal, not removing significant quantities of metal. Formally, honing plastically deforms and straightens the material of the blade's edge which may have been rolled over irregularly in use. By contrast, sharpening removes significant metal, creating a new edge. Honing is primarily used to straighten out an edge that is still thin, but has rolled over on itself; if the edge has become blunt, honing has little effect, and the blade must instead be sharpened. However, this distinction is not always made, and honing steels are commonly if improperly referred to as sharpening steels."


If you invest in a set of knives like these, you should have them professionally sharpened. There are sharpeners for home/ personal use, but there's a pretty big range in terms of quality. I'd rather trust mine to people who know what they are doing, despite the inconvenience. I am also lucky enough to have a knife specialty store about 40 minutes away.




Are you serious? Are you a nut?

yoothgeye


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Will these ship to my prison address?

bribassguy


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These are great knifes.

I have the Kaji Fusion set (same design, diffrent steel) and love them. I picked mine up at Williams & Sonoma when they were on close out... and think I paid 650 for the 8 pc set & got a "free" cutting board with them.

They are extemely sharp out of the box and can be sent in once a year for a new edge.

Sure they are expensive but I look at it like this: These are knives that you can use for the next 50 years... that shiny cool TV you bought last week will be obslete in 5.

That being said I am not sure I'd opt for this set as my go to. I'd start with a chef / santoku and a paring knife... if you have thoes this is a great add.

That's my $.02




bkarlan


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close woot. I was hoping for the steak knives.

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