vinithehat wrote:this is why beverages are sold in aluminum cans, even though steel is so much less expensive. the steel, even stainless, will react with acidic beverages.

Drinking from this item this very second. Love it. Easy to clean and nice and slim for easy packing for hiking, etc. However, the label wears off pretty easy so don't buy it if you like to show off your brand name water bottle. Turbo joyous!!!!!

After reading some of the provided links it appears that the company may or may not have poor operating tactics.

None claim the bottle is bad or hazardous. There were a few complaints of it not keeping water cold. It's not double-walled and basic science happens.
Of course the posters don't mention the variables; was it 90 degrees and the bottle in the sun?
Not defending the company, but if you're going to read something you need to read it all, not just the juicy parts.

edited for misuse of your or is it you're

I agree the lids/caps are over-designed. We are issued water bottles at work and the pop-up 'sport' valves/nozzles/nipples tend to break eventually and then they leak. I have never been a fan of this type, even when i have one, I screw off the cap to drink.

Cycospaz2 wrote:If you have an Aluminum water bottle (especially SIGG) please consider switching over to Stainless Steel. They are healthier for you. This is a great price even for just one bottle!

However, if you are looking for quality (as I have heard these are a bit iffy) I would look into Klean Kanteen.

You do not take the time to explain WHY you think they are not as healthy. I hope you are not still passing on the DEBUNKED theory that aluminum causes Alzheimer disease! If so, you are very out of date. Woot causes Alzheimers.

chances are it is made in China so right away I have to wonder how much lead (or worse)I will get with my stainless steel

Almost bought these until I decided to research the company. Yikes! No thanks!

KatieHeaston wrote:

this is why beverages are sold in aluminum cans, even though steel is so much less expensive. the steel, even stainless, will react with acidic beverages.

No it won't ...the insides are sprayed with a toxic anti-acidic; caustic; birth defect causing laquere thR will keep things like OJ from eating away at the stainless steel, not too sure how it would hold up to battery acid though...let me know after you give it a try!

edward1959 wrote:chances are it is made in China so right away I have to wonder how much lead (or worse)I will get with my stainless steel

Probably less than the toys you grew up with. These water bottles may even be healthier that the Number 1 combos all you fatso's eat every day.

In for 2....no wait 4.

richardhod wrote:Aha.. yes with steel, thank you for that reminder.. but my problem was the inside-plastic coating of a Sigg bottle (from an offer on the clymb, incidentally, if you want an invitation.. you'll get me free money from this link .

Perhaps I just needed to use the denture-cleaning tablets in my bottle first!

50/50 mix of vinegar and water, let it sit for 20 mins, then wash. takes out any odors/tastes. cheap and environmentally friendly.

KatieHeaston wrote:

No it won't ...the insides are sprayed witha toxic anti-acidic; caustic; birth defect causing laquere the will keep things like OJ from eating away at the stainless steel, not too sure how it would hold up to battery acid though...let me know after you give it a try!

craigthom wrote:Stainless steel is a crappy conductor of heat.

Interesting, aluminum has a thermal conductivity of 250 W/m.K while stainless steel is only 16 W/m.K. Of course, both are high compared to plastics (styrofoam is .033 W/m.K).

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html

vinithehat wrote:and everyone's typing about these concerns on keyboards assembled in asian sweatshops...

http://bit.ly/4E2Wj

Not me! I am replying on my iPhone which is made in.....

Oh nevermind.

taurine wrote:Many people here mentioned the benefits of stainless steel, but since the part you put your mouth on is plastic, doesn't that diminish the benefits?

No. the water in the bottle for long periods, and reusing the bottle eventually leads to leaching. the water really isn't in contact with the lid nearly as long.

i'm in for 2, and hoping to find the type of replacement lid i like that fits the bottle opening. i know nalgene sells different kinds.

I keep wanting one of these. I'll buy one the minute some brilliant person comes up with one that can fit ice cubes inside the "mouth".

I was given one of these last Christmas....
Have used it extensively, and can enthusiastically recommend it; especially at this price.

Mine came with the plain screw-on top...This one looks even better.
I'm in.......

Morgodth wrote:I keep wanting one of these. I'll buy one the minute some brilliant person comes up with one that can fit ice cubes inside the "mouth".

jeez! according to this web site, posted multiple times, the mouth fits ice cubes. (it also sounds like this company may be out of business) just my opinion.
http://www.thegreenestdollar.com/2009/02/eco-canteen-product-review/

Will be a hit at the Dirty Santa Christmas parties (Chinese Christmas). In for 3 (6).

This is probably a question that defeats the purpose of an eco-friendly bottle, but are they dishwasher safe?

moogtorran wrote:I am concerned about the many negative comments on the web about the manufacturer and refuse to buy products when customers are not treated in a professional manner.

Are these stainless steel bottles made in China?

Virtually _everything_ is made in China these days. U.S. unions earning $35/hr. for unskilled labor simply _cannot_ compete with an equal laborer in China make $1.50 a day. Not making a judgement call, just stating a fact.

I find it amusing that these bottles are being marketed as eco-friendly. The carbon footprint of each bottle is equal to about 1000 plastic bottles. In other words, you would have to use each bottle more than 1000 times to be more environmentally friendly than plastic bottles.

shelshel0110 wrote:I find it amusing that these bottles are being marketed as eco-friendly. The carbon footprint of each bottle is equal to about 1000 plastic bottles. In other words, you would have to use each bottle more than 1000 times to be more environmentally friendly than plastic bottles.

[Citation needed]

This is made of 304 type Stainless , like:

From Wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel

"Gateway Arch (pictured) is clad entirely in stainless steel: 886 tons (804 metric tonnes) of 0.25 in (6.4 mm) plate, #3 finish, type 304 stainless steel.[11]"


Type 316 is said to be better, this is ok

STAINLESS STEELS FOR FOOD-GRADE APPLICATIONS
The stainless steel of choice in the food services industry is the austenitic 300 series. The stainless used for good pots (like Vollrath) is usually 304. Less expensive pots are often made of 303 alloy stainless, which is less weldable and is quickly attacked by chlorinated cleaners. Other stainless kitchen equipment, like utensils, are typically ferritic stainless, which has less chromium and nickel and is less acid-neutral.

The 300 series of stainless steels was originally developed for use in cryogenics. These steels also perform well at elevated temperatures and are used extensively for steam pipes and exhaust systems. It is their resistance to elevated temperature, oxidation, and corrosion that makes alloys 304 and 316 the choice for food preparation equipment, including steam-heated boilers and storage tanks. But every silver lining has its cloud, and when it comes to joining stainless steel, that cloud is heat. The metallurgy that makes these alloys corrosion resistant and strong also makes welding more difficult than is the case with ordinary steel.

METALLURGY BASICS
What makes a steel stainless? The addition of chromium and nickel to the iron creates a significant percentage of chromium and nickel atoms at the surface. These atoms form tenacious oxides that seal the surface and prevent oxidation of the iron.

ackmondual wrote:Don't know anything as to the quality of the product. It does look to be of good quantity though, as I would want my water bottles to hold at least 20oz.

That being said, I still use plastic water bottles. I use the same plastic water bottle for 3 months at a time, then recycle them and replace them with new ones.

You kids and your fancy drinkin' bottles. When I was growin' up in Texas we drank from a muddy hoofprint and were dang glad to get it. Ya bunch of wussies.

Forgive me if someone already suggested this as an alternative, I read through most of the comments and didn't see anyone mention Camelbak bottles. I almost pulled the trigger on these but then I remembered how much I hate "sport tops" with the pop up valve, I've never had one that hasn't developed a leak after very few uses. about 9 months ago I found Camelbak bottles and decided to try it out since I love their hydration backpacks..... Couldn't be happier, I literally use the thing several times every day and the only issue is the bite valve is starting to wear out (but i have been especially hard on my bite valve, my wifes bottle doesn't have the same problem) however the valves are easily replaced and are inexpensive. dont be too turned off by the high price, if you do a little searching you can find them as cheap as $6 to $7 a bottle.

http://www.camelbak.com/en/sports-recreation/bottles.aspx

Well, I like my stainless bottle, (bought else where) and like that no matter, it's durable, dents & all. That being said, I noticed in the description that it says that this will NOT make cheap vodka taste better... I have never heard that before, BUT I can tell you how to make cheap vodka taste better: filter it! Yep, that's right, just run it through your Britta a couple times. ;)

(Disclaimer: It doesn't work if you're under 21).

BTW, think I will get a couple of these cheap babies for random gifts.

According to one health store owner I talked to, Klean Kanteen uses the highest "medical" grade stainless steel. He warned me to be careful as a lot of other companies use a cheaper grade, which is not as safe. I have no idea if that was valid or not, but it was just the kind of paranoid story a health store owner should be telling its customers. So I bought one on principle. I am very happy with Klean Kanteen.

Hmm. Just ran off to check. I have a 26 oz Klean Kanteen and recently picked up an EcoCanteen at my local odd-lot store (for 8.95 with a nifty neoprene sleeve and shoulder strap). The Klean Kanteen is heavier and feels more substantial, but they are the same size and the caps are interchangeable with a good seal. These are the loop caps. I was afraid the EcoCanteen was aluminum, but sure enough, magnets stick to it. Without chewing gum. Ordinary ice cubes pass easily through the neck and keep the drink cool for easily 4-6 hours. Longer if you roll the bottle in a towel. It is also handy to secure the remains of one of those jumbo 32 oz beverages when you're ready to take off. Juice, Coca-cola and Dr. Pepper have very nicely cleaned the interior of the canteen (it is unlined on the inside). But DONT, DONT, DONT buy directly from Eco-Canteen.com!

tommy2rs wrote:You kids and your fancy drinkin' bottles. When I was growin' up in Texas we drank from a muddy hoofprint and were dang glad to get it. Ya bunch of wussies.

HA! Love it!

quantamm wrote:Interesting, aluminum has a thermal conductivity of 250 W/m.K while stainless steel is only 16 W/m.K. Of course, both are high compared to plastics (styrofoam is .033 W/m.K).

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html

The conductivity of the metal may be moot, because water is even better. Maybe the bottles should come with a warning not drink while working with high voltage wire?? ;)

Besides, they say that drinking too cold a beverage is not really good for you anyway.

I have one of these that I paid much more for. It does not insulate but does not leach anything and is a great bottle. The company that sells them "is" less than ethical and does treat people badly. But they don't make the product and whoever does did a good job. 2 for $10 shipped? A steal.

Seriously Folks... These F*#^ing water bottles not heart defibrillators! Who cares if they are made and sold by the freaking Yakuza or the Sisters of Mercy! They are empty stainless-steel containers that hold water. They are not insulated so don't expect cold water after an hour of hiking or biking. They probably sweat a bit but then again, so should you.

If it had just a regular cap I'd grab a pair...I hate those little spout doohickeys...besides! With a plastic sports bottle, you squeeze it to get water out faster...what do you do with this? I can't be shaking and shaking...I'm a fast drinker and got places to go!

shelshel0110 wrote:I find it amusing that these bottles are being marketed as eco-friendly. The carbon footprint of each bottle is equal to about 1000 plastic bottles. In other words, you would have to use each bottle more than 1000 times to be more environmentally friendly than plastic bottles.

We find it amusing that some people would post arbitrary comments like this without substantiating it with proof (even a wiki citation would do..
Obviously you must be from the plastic council.

branflake12 wrote:be weary folks...
http://www.thegreenestdollar.com/2009/02/eco-canteen-product-review/

I love my kleenkanteen (yes it was $16 for one, but none of what you will read in the link)

Ouch! Those are some seriously bad reviews. I was about to be in for 4, but I think I'll pass. Thanks for the link.

DCno10 wrote:heh how about this news article.

probably explains the video not working on the website.

Nice research!

Arminhama wrote:I was thinking about buying these and keeping one at the gym as an extra to keep my protein powder with. I have a regular shaker, but I have days where I forget to bring it with me, and I live waaay too far to just go home and get my regular shaker. Would my shake react with the steel if I mixed it with this canteen?

As long as you don't put anything acidic in it you should be fine, but make sure you at least rinse it out, until you get a chance to properly wash it.

SaintWacko wrote:Is this double-walled? I have a stainless steel water bottle that isn't, and it can't keep anything cold.

No. so it will sweat just like most sports bottles. however, 2 for the price of 1 at Walmart (after the $5 woot) is good enough to give it a shot.

Arminhama wrote:I was thinking about buying these and keeping one at the gym as an extra to keep my protein powder with. I have a regular shaker, but I have days where I forget to bring it with me, and I live waaay too far to just go home and get my regular shaker. Would my shake react with the steel if I mixed it with this canteen?

Stainless steel is completely inert and is recommended for use by people with MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) above plastic because it doesn't leach anything at all into foods. I'm not a chemist, but I'd say you're probably alright.

maxc246 wrote:Ouch! Those are some seriously bad reviews. I was about to be in for 4, but I think I'll pass. Thanks for the link.

Hold on. I have read a number of the reviews and issues are with customer service not product.

Has any one see any real issues with the product like poor quaility linings?