I'm going to sleep on it. Without more speculation on editing files I just can't pull the trigger tonight.

zadriel wrote:Anybody here edited these files before? How hard to edit? What software did you use? Is this going to be easy to make a movie then burn it to DVD? Or is this going to be like my last Everio? Not one DVD to date from that.

I'd go with Cyberlink PowerDirector. They design the software to burn your videos to Blu-Ray or DVD.

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector/pro-results_en_US.html

OK, have to leave.

But here is Cyberlink's page on graphics cards supported (that is, the card that your computer needs to have for a pleasant HD editing experience, so to speak).

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector/faster-performance_en_US.html

Cyberlink got a PC Magazine's Editor's Choice award. Here is a Cyberlink sales pitch.

IMHO get this JVC and Cyberlink and have fun.

Movie making software, PowerDirector 8, makes it easier and faster to edit and produce videos.

It features the unique particle effects, and over 40,000 free effects templates from DirectorZone. Plus, an expanded 16-track timeline and 5x faster rendering speed with CPU/GPU acceleration, PowerDirector makes video editing a breeze.

Sharing videos are also made easy with direct video uploading to YouTube and Facebook.

When it comes to video editing, you are never alone with PowerDirector. You can watch videos shared by other PowerDirector users in a uniquely designed timeline view on DirectorZone.


Professional Movie Making Results:

Suitable for pro-video editing software users and amateurs alike.

5x faster movie making with support for CPU/GPU acceleration.

Repair and restore videos instantly, upscale from standard definition to HD.

Create DVD menus and burn to CD, DVD or Blu-ray and upload to YouTube & Facebook.

Compatible with Windows 7

Here's the manual.

Can anybody confirm that this will do 1080p at 60fps? I've been looking for a camcorder for recording outdoors, fast action sequences, last camcorder I used was capable of 60fps at 720p although the actual quality felt more like sub-SD (it was a cheaper Sanyo a friend picked up off woot awhile back for about $60 I believe.)



I don't need super slow-mo, so 60fps will work fine for the slow sequences I do need to create. When looking for other camcorders I've been trying to find a decent price that's capable of both 30 and 60fps in 480p, 720p and 1080p and this looks like the best deal I've seen so far.



Also wondering about the dual memory/seamless recording. Does that mean it has 8GB flash memory and if I have a 16GB SDHC card in it, it will auto switch between them if one becomes full?

zadriel wrote:So if I understand this... it means I might fill up 4 gig on a card, but the computer won't be able to read more than 2 gig? So only viewable on the camera itself?

Typically the system splits recordings at the 2GB boundary -- basically, if you keep recording, it'll stop adding to one file and start adding to a brand new one, once the first file reaches 2GB.

The link to the SD card is for a Class 6. I would say you'll probably want a Class 10 if you are going to capture in 1080. In my experience, lower class SD cards cause occasional jerkiness in playback.

NightGhost wrote:cnet review

Hmm, not too helpful: "We have not reviewed this product but here is CNET's buying advice on Digital Camcorders. This content was chosen based on the features included with this model of digital camcorder."

I already have one of these. They are junk. Difficult to use software and it broke after 6 recordings. Cost to fix: roughly $300 and I lose the camera for up to 6 weeks. BOGUS!

So I close Woot knowing that its a camcorder, which is what I don't need.

But about 10-20 minutes later I forget that the Woot off already ended and end up typing Woot into my browser again.

This has happened like 2 or 3 times already.

I think I'm having Woot off relapses.

Like anything, the more effort you are willing to put into projects, hobbies or assignments, the better the result will be.

And at some point you are now the expert people call for help.

Here is a place I belong to and if you join there's lots to learn.

http://www.videohelp.com

I need a camera for shooting theater- low-light conditions are the be-all for me. Is this a good bet, or is there anything anyone would recommend?

Is this a good camera? I want to start recording stuff...what stuff? I don't know just stuff

The price seems good and quality seems good as well.

A 90 day warranty from JVC and its a refurb....not a great confidence builder. Still, I am interested, it's a nice looking device and seems to shoot nice video.

I used to have a Sanyo Xacti HD1a and I loved it, the technology has grown quite a bit since then so hopefully this JVC would have some improvements.

This is just what I need to record some videos of Robot Betty9. She's going to love it. I'll post them to http://www.robots-and-androids.com just as soon as the camera arrives!

lukewarmplay wrote:I need a camera for shooting theater- low-light conditions are the be-all for me. Is this a good bet, or is there anything anyone would recommend?

For that don't bother with a camcorder that has anything slower than a f/1.2 lens (higher f-numbers are slower lenses).

This camcorder has a f/1.8 lens, which is faster than usual for a consumer camera (usually they are f/1.9), but still too slow for low-light work.

The f/1.2 lens is faster and allows you to record in lower light and still maintain video quality. It's basic photography.

MichaelSF wrote:By the way, just got my Woot Samsung HZ30W digital camera with 15X optical zoom. (That camera is loaded with features including smile detection, 720p HD recording and wide angle, that's what the "W" stands for in the model name.)

Wow oh wow, what a great deal and zombtastic camera. I was hoping to see it in the Woot-Off because it will make a great gift (I decided to keep this one for myself.

And this if coming from someone who has a Canon S90 and Panasonic LX3.

Now I gotta spend more coin for this. Sigh... no rest for the weary.

Quick question - I got the same camera HZ30W. I have not gotten the memory card for it yet. Have you bought one and if so - Which one do you recommend? Interesting I saw the camera at Costco for $ 199.00........comes with a 2 gig card and a case.

StressLess wrote:For that don't bother with a camcorder that has anything slower than a f/1.2 lens (higher f-numbers are slower lenses).

This camcorder has a f/1.8 lens, which is faster than usual for a consumer camera (usually they are f/1.9), but still too slow for low-light work.

The f/1.2 lens is faster and allows you to record in lower light and still maintain video quality. It's basic photography.

Seems to me that while the lens speed is important, there are other factors at play, such as the sensor's light sensitivity. I can't imagine that they're all the same.

A Samsung plant review on Best Buy?

"JVC is rotten egg ... Samsung one with touch screen love you long time, GI!"

Did YOU buy the JVC Everio DVD Recorder on the Woot Off yesterday? It can be used with this camera without a computer. My wife has one of these cameras and I bought the recorder for her for Christmas. I'll let you know how it works.

Her's is not a video camera I'd buy for myself. (Its only 720P and doesn't have a stereo mic input). But my wife likes it.

She is able to use it, download the video to her computer, and using the Everio software - edit it, all without bothering me too much to tell her what to do next (she's not a computer geek).

@ Zadriel - The 2GB files size limit they talk about is probably referring to a limit to the size of any one single file - so if you are recording one shot for 25 minutes, and the file on the card gets to 2gb, the camera (educated guess here) would most likely save that as one file and keep recording to a new file on the card. So you might have only taken one shot, but would have 2 files on the card. You shouldn't lose anything.

And another great program that handles avchd files is Sony Vegas Movie Studio, starting at $49. If you get the high end you have an almost pro type editing software. It also comes with YouTube uploading codecs and wizards.. And you can download a demo for 30 days.

Good luck with the filming!

zadriel wrote:Anybody here edited these files before? How hard to edit? What software did you use? Is this giong to be easy to make a movie then burn it to dvd? Or is this going to be like my last everio? Not one dvd to date from that.

I've used PowerDirector for the last 2+ years to make movies and burn DVD's with footage from my Canon Vixia HD, which PD does very,very well.

Understand, though, that HD takes up a LOT of space (I'm presently using a 32GB SDHC - the 16GB filled up way too fast!) and it can take quite a bit of time to render playable HD quality movies.

One solution I've found is to convert movies to playable Divx files, which many DVD players can handle up to 720p. Sort of a poor man's Blu-Ray.

Well woot worlders you forgot only one state above California....Lets replace Oregon with Woodland. Jormungandrsan

OK, so let me throw this out there:

JVC Everio with Massive Internal Hard Drive vs Internal Flash storage plus SD slot like we have here.

And, GO!

[quote="GluonConcerto"]Ok so I bought a similar HD camera to this earlier this month. A word to those of you who plan on doing video editing: it's tricky in HD!!! The file sizes tend to get fairly massive, so unless you happen to have a 64-bit OS and 64-bit editing software, you'll be struggling to make footage of any significant length.[/quote]

Not a problem on OS X. Work with 1080p 12 to 30 min segments all the time. iMovie HD just chews through it. Finished Project then rendered out to 1080p, 720p, 480p

Toast will burn the 1080p or 720p as bluray or hddvd on standard dvd (up to 30 mins on dl)

Didn't they have the DVD burner for this camcorder yesterday on the wootoff!?!?!

What is the max size SD card that you can use with this?

Can the files from this be streamed to (or played from a USB stick on) my X-Box 360 or my Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray player without having to transcode them to another format?

What about burning to a writable Blu-ray disc or a standard DVD in a format that a Blu-ray player can play?

MichaelSF wrote:Listen to this folks. Speaks wise.

While HD videos from these dedicated camcorders are zombtastic, you computer needs to be fairly new to handle any kind of editing. You need a good video card, 3GB of RAM (XP can only use 3GB of 4GB RAM sticks) and a prosumer editing program that can handle large files, like Ulead Video Studio or Apple's software.

I wanted to thank you and GluonConcerto. I was about to buy this, but I am perfectly happy with my 3 year old HP with the 32 bit version of Vista and onboard video "card". I've always said "I can't imagine why anyone other than a 3D gamer would buy this or that new PC". Now I know. Perhaps they're editing HD video!
I don't need a purchase of a $200 camcorder to necessitate the purchase of a $750 PC.
I recently inherited a nice Mac Mini. I wonder how it would do.

GluonConcerto wrote:Ok so I bought a similar HD camera to this earlier this month. A word to those of you who plan on doing video editing: it's tricky in HD!!! The file sizes tend to get fairly massive, so unless you happen to have a 64-bit OS and 64-bit editing software, you'll be struggling to make footage of any significant length.

I recently made a 5-minute video shot from 1080p source, edited using Premiere CS3 (a 32-bit app). I ended up down-converting the source to 720p and had to work on projects no longer than a minute at a time to keep from running up against the 2GB limit (which causes Premiere to crash).

Holy cow though, HD footage is great! Especially when you play it back on a nice big monitor.

What usually causes Premier to crash is an insufficient video card and memory for playback. Premier is a superior editing program and needs plenty of attention to it's playback throughput. CS5 will knock the socks off of Edius, Vegas, and a gives pro apps Like Final Cut Pro a run for the money.

No remote! And poor quality batteries. New are only a few $ more....

PASS!

Blah... everything I've ever own by JVC died within 2 years. Worked great though... while it worked at least.

Does anyone know if this will record/playback the time/date stamp on screen? (Yeah, I know that's a crappy thing to do, but work would require it...)

lukewarmplay wrote:I need a camera for shooting theater- low-light conditions are the be-all for me. Is this a good bet, or is there anything anyone would recommend?

Just make sure it's plugged in to it's ac adapter as the battery lasts just 1 hour according to the manual. And - you'll want to shoot in manual to offset those horribly bright stage lights and spots. The footage will overexpose in auto mode.

zadriel wrote:So if I understand this... it means I might fill up 4 gig on a card, but the computer won't be able to read more than 2 gig? So only viewable on the camera itself?

No, it autosegments. When a file reaches the 2GB limit, it closes the file and opens a new one. If you shoot 16GB straight, you'll end up with 8 sequential 2GB files on your card.

The files on DVDs segment in the same way.

JVC's got to be one of the worst companies I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with from a customer standpoint. We bought one of these crappy Everio's when they first came out and personally I think they're garbage. I wouldn't touch a refurbished one with a 50' pole.

10engines wrote:@ Zadriel - The 2GB files size limit they talk about is probably referring to a limit to the size of any one single file - so if you are recording one shot for 25 minutes, and the file on the card gets to 2gb, the camera (educated guess here) would most likely save that as one file and keep recording to a new file on the card. So you might have only taken one shot, but would have 2 files on the card. You shouldn't lose anything.

And another great program that handles avchd files is Sony Vegas Movie Studio, starting at $49. If you get the high end you have an almost pro type editing software. It also comes with YouTube uploading codecs and wizards.. And you can download a demo for 30 days.

It's good to be cautious here as early HD cams had issues when perfectly aligning multiple files on a programs timeline. The camera could playback all files without issue but when put into any program there were very slight hesitations (glitches) causing interruption every 20 minutes or so. Canon had this problem with AVCHD early on.

Why was there sales tax on my order to NY yesterday? Never saw this before

deathincarnate wrote:So, is this thing's output camcorder quality or flip-video quality? Is the video going to be soft and have motion blur?

Doesn't the definition of HD mean it's high definition? Doesn't mp4 look the same as mpeg1? They're HD, right?

I have an older JVC Everio and am not overly impressed. This one may be better, but video quality on mine is poor. Also, the .mod files are a pain. Why can't people all use .avi?

cougar694u wrote:I don't have this exact model, mine's like the GZ-HM200 (iirc), has the same specs as this (20x optical, 1080p, etc), but with dual sd card slots. I use an 8gb & 16gb cards and recording time is about equally matched to the battery (130m). When I had 2x 8gb cards and would fill up the cards before running out of battery.

I previously had a Samsung HD flash camcorder (seen on Woot a few times), and the battery life absolutely SUCKED!

I'd say I'm pretty satisfied with the battery life of this guy. With the 8gb internal, you'll always fill that up before killing the battery.

Main thing I noticed, when you open & close the lcd, it goes into a sleep/ready mode and isn't fully off, thus running the battery down faster. If you use the power button to power off after your shots, you'll be even better off.

OK, but zzzaap wrote:
"How much hours of video can this camera take with a fully charged battery?" I'm wondering it too...how many hours on the battery?