I use one of these at work. When folded at its short "A" layout the steps are double-wide which is great for ladder-phobic people such as myself.

dacat wrote:Can I hold you to that? I have a tendency to do some form of cost benefit analysis before I buy anything. That being the main reason I don't buy anything out of a vending machine. It takes me 10-15 minutes to decide. I take into consideration the caloric value of the food, what I plan on consuming the rest of the day, whether or not I am eating with my woman that night, etc etc.. by the time its all said and done.. I figure its easier to save my dollar and get another cup of coffee.

I probably should by this ladder. I only own a 6 foot A-frame ladder, aluminum, 15 years old, rated at 200lbs.

I weigh 240 today.

sigh.

I'm even worse, I've missed out on many Woots and other sales because of indecisiveness and an obsession with research. I even often run my choices through a program using fuzzy weighted sets so that I can be sure that the decision was rational and not based on something unconscious, i.e. the name of the company. That's how I finally chose my college.

If you think you may be too busy later, here's my advice. Pull the trigger now and cancel later if you change your mind. Woot has a VERY generous cancellation policy, as long as they haven't shipped out the item. And even then, they can accommodate if you're nice. One rep told me to simply refuse delivery. Obviously you shouldn't do that with something so heavy since it would border on immorality...

I've wanted one of these for years. Since I'm currently building a new house, this seems like a perfect time (and price) to pull the trigger. Maybe I can wrap it as a Christmas gift to my wife?!

Happy Holidays!

I am sure it is a very safe ladder. Just make sure you lock it in place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZhMfzc9RbU

Great ladders, but they are heavy. I bought one for the exact same price at Costco, but don't know if it was the 19' as here, or the 15'. Darn it if it wasn't quietly stolen from my backyard awhile back, and don't have the quid to replace it now.

Some alternatives:

I just picked up a Werner brand multi-ladder at Lowe's (in-store) - on sale for $69. Rated at 300lbs. and same multi position concept.

Also, Home Depot has an online special on their 17' Werner Multi-Ladder - $119. Tax and shipping might get you close to today's woot!, but at least it's not refurb!

So if you're not needing a full 19', you've got options....

sdc100 wrote:Yeah, because the factory wouldn't want bad publicity or a lawsuit.

R70Runner wrote:It HAD a problem... Now fixed? what you can't sue because the Co. gets one free shot a making it right on the referb? "Oh, sorry you bought that ladder new, we didn't intend to injure you...let us fix it now"

Being refurbed doesn't not necessarily mean that there was a problem. Buyer's remorse is a big reason for factory returns, i.e. the ladder wasn't tall enough or it was too heavy to move. Since the store has no way to verify the customer's story -- i.e. s/he may have broken something but didn't want to admit it -- the store has to send it back for refurbishing and recertification.

As for suing, you're missing the point. Of course you can sue no matter how many inspections they made. The point is that the company has a vested interest in not having any accidents, so they'd do everything realistically possible to prevent them. A simple re-inspection and repair is cheaper than a lawsuit and the damage to their reputation. This is even truer today given all the blogs and social networks like YouTube.

This isnt that great of a deal I just bought the werner version at home depot for $100 a few weeks ago and I think it is still $150 right now.

We bought a Little Giant M17 MegaLite (rated 300 lbs) from Costco several months ago and have been very happy with it. I think it was around $170 after a Costco coupon. Weighs around 30 lbs. Not sure how heavy the woot one is, but saw comments from people saying it was heavy. Probably worth a comparison.

mfeferman wrote:Maybe I can wrap it as a Christmas gift to my wife?!

Happy Holidays!

Yeah, I can see many romantic possibilities for this ladder. Seriously. Heck, I may grab one for Valentine's Day.

sdc100 wrote:What are you talking about? First off, being refurbed doesn't not necessarily mean that there was a problem. Buyer's remorse is a big reason for factory returns, i.e. the ladder wasn't tall enough or it was too heavy to move. Since the store has no way to verify the customer's story -- i.e. s/he may have broken something but didn't want to admit it -- the store has to send it back for refurbishing and recertification.

Stop bringing logic and sense into "I'm scared of refurbs" land :P

Makes it harder for some of us to get good deals.

Little giant is the original creator of this type of ladder. There are copycats out there but you're comparing a kia to a cadillac. No comparison. And none of them have a life time warranty. Even as a refurb, this one is lifetime.

Ladder Safety

Portable Ladder Safety Tips

Introduction to Basic Safety at LadderSafety.org

From Physics 101: Many people test the stability of a ladder by putting their weight on the bottom rung. Be aware that adding weight to the bottom of a ladder increases its stability, but adding weight to the top decreases stability. So the test is only valid if you don't plan to climb!

sdc100 wrote:Yeah, I can see many romantic possibilities for this ladder. Seriously. Heck, I may grab one for Valentine's Day.

Can't wait to use this to do all of the low-voltage wiring in the new house...

Now, if Woot would post an inexpensive closed-cell foaming system that I could use to stray the underneath of my house, I'd be set!

46and2 wrote:Stop bringing logic and sense into "I'm scared of refurbs" land :P

Makes it harder for some of us to get good deals.

Ooops ... good point. I've forced myself into an 8 hr time-out as penance, aka I have to sleep.

ps - sorry, I can't resist one more bit of logic ... those who are very nervous about refurbs should indeed worry about this ladder! The more nervous you are, the more likely you are to be unsteady on this ladder, making you more likely to fall. AKA a self-fulfilling prophecy. *BOOM*

Once you add sales tax this is not much of a deal. Wootazon is starting to show it's inevitable suck.

welcome the holidays were they thinking? Weren't they making enough stinking money?

I didn't react much when it was happening, but in retrospect the woot sell out to amazon BITES, and bites HARD.

it's no flex-o-ladder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlgYQwf1Pug

bigfatbass wrote:Once you add sales tax this is not much of a deal. Wootazon is starting to show it's inevitable suck.

welcome the holidays were they thinking? Weren't they making enough stinking money?

I didn't react much when it was happening, but in retrospect the woot sell out to amazon BITES, and bites HARD.

I kind of agree. Gotta keep your eyes open.
On the other hand, this ladder lists over $400 new.

Same basic ladder purchased tonight at Lowes for $69.99. Sale good thru Monday.

Whoops. Found it for $229 with free shipping.

Wntrgarnet wrote:The LAST ladder you will ever buy.
(of you take care of it and keep it out of the elements)

when you say it like that, it sounds like you're gonna die from using it

Best ladder i have ever owned for commercial electricians business. Weirdest staircase and this ladder transforms around and up to anything. and the end of the day u can fold it down and put it in the trunk.

Did i mention its SUPER STRONG!! At the time i was 345lbs and i used the ladder as a bridge from one building to another. not a creek or whine. i trust those spring loaded lock pins

JUST BOUGHT ONE

I been waiting for a good deal on this ladder....woot woot!!!!!

remisser wrote:Can this be used without a partner to support it? Because in the pictures the people are using it solo... I thought that was a no-no in the ladder world.

Let me start by saying that my dad used to work for Ladder Works, the original company that sold the Little Giant brand. These ladders are rock solid, you can use these by yourself, as long as you are comfortable that way, no need to worry about the ladder wobbling or anything, they are strong and sturdy. They are by far the most versatile and durable ladders around. That being said, I wouldn't recommend these for women, they are heavy duty, emphasis on heavy. Great ladders.

Wntrgarnet wrote:The LAST ladder you will ever buy.
(of you take care of it and keep it out of the elements)

Lets analyze this woot
Facts:
1)Lifetime warranty
2)Refurbished ladder

Conclusion
Warranty lapsed because this refurb killed its previous owner. Returned to factory to bang out the dents and scrub off the blood and bits of bone and tissue. Resold by Woot to kill again. You are buying a homicidal cursed ladder. The ladder equivlent of Christine

50 bucks less than the Little Giant outlet store price.

http://www.littlegiantoutlet.com/type-1-ladder.html

That's not a refurb, but I'd bet it's still an apples-to-apples comparison.

When I worked for companies which made things, the post-sales quality reporting on our refurb sales showed a generally lower rate of problems than stuff which had come directly off the line, having passed normal QC. Especially for consumer goods, a high percentage of refurb units which get resold are returns from customers who are simply clueless or ham-handed.

These are quite heavy but very sturdy and stable even in the full extended position

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with everyone's hatred for refurbs, but it would be nice if folks would exercise a bit of balanced thinking.

I've had plenty of problems over the years with brand new products, including many that were offered with lifetime warranties. Yes, new, lifetime-warrantied products can still break! I'm not ready to agree that a new product is always superior to a refurbished one.

Besides, all of you who are obsessed with dismissing this ladder just because it is refurbished are ignoring the fact that at some point, it was new, but failed to live up to its billing. It seems to me that if all of the new ladders were better, they'd never end up needing to be refurbished.

Just sayin'.

I have one. It's the largest A-frame they offer. I won't use any other ladder for A-frame work if I can help it. The fully extended is a different story though. In some cases, a regular extension ladder is easier to manage, BUT, the little giant is tops when I need the stability.

i am in for one
hope it breaks so i can sue

I have 2 of the LG ladders.

the short one, which stands about 4' tall, extends to 11' tall when opened up as a straight ladder.

I have the taller, 5' ladder that opens up to about 14'.

These are extremely heavy duty ladders that never wobble with any load, and I'm 230lb.

The only problem is that they're a bit heavy to carry around. For light duty, I have an aluminum a frame ladder that I'll pull out instead of the little giants.

However, if I had to have only one ladder in the house, it'd be a little giant.

I can't bring myself to pull the trigger. It's a $60 savings off their outlet price, but similar ladders can be found not refurbished and with higher load ratings for the same price new (maybe even less with a coupon). Came close to pulling the trigger on this one though!

Write your name on this baby!

ebuckle wrote:These are awesome ladders, but they weigh a freakin' ton! Not sure about buying a refurb ladder though...

Funny, I was thinking the opposite.

I have a Werner MT-22 ladder which is similar except with a 300 lbs rating and weighs about 50 lbs. The 39 lbs weight would make this one easier to lug around.

If I didn't already have the MT-22, I would be in.

dang. I am 6'1/ 280lbs. I am about to pull the trigger on this ladder. I've seen on the LG infomericals it can hold up to well above the rated weight. Being that it's a refrub and I am going to put 280 lbs on the ladder, I am wondering if it'll be safe to use this?

AlienZulu wrote:cool product, but a refurb ladder makes me nervous.

I wouldn't give it a second thought. They are probably returns by dummies that couldn't figure out how to operate it.

Besides how hard is it to fix a ladder. I worry more about refurb electronics.

Protoxxpaintball wrote:They sell ladders that are similar to this at sams club for about $100.

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=prod460274

Decent reviews too.

That's a Werner but a shorter ladder. Size does matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQkklBj1omg

As much as I want to like these, for vertical extended use they can flex under use and cause the ladder to slide out from under you.

coolblue123 wrote:dang. I am 6'1/ 280lbs. I am about to pull the trigger on this ladder. I've seen on the LG infomericals it can hold up to well above the rated weight. Being that it's a refrub and I am going to put 280 lbs on the ladder, I am wondering if it'll be safe to use this?

yeah. I'm not too worried at the refurb, but the 250 max rating stops me from wooting. I'd be interested if there was one of these with a good bit higher weight rating.

remisser wrote:Can this be used without a partner to support it? Because in the pictures the people are using it solo... I thought that was a no-no in the ladder world.

On their website they used to sell an entire system that went with this ladder including a walk board that fit between two ladders and demo that showed how to use the walk board in an uneven stair case setting. These ladders are amazing.
Also I bought the referb version it had no defects, they just replaced the spring lock mechanism. I have had mine for 5 years Love it.
The weight is worth it when you see the durable construction. I am a very large man and feel completely safe on this ladder.