I was just at BJ's yesterday and the new 32GB itouches are only 229 coconuts.

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

To be completely honest it really depends on what you are going to use your Ipod for. If you don't plan to really put any music on it then yes 8gb is plenty of memory to hold all of the applications. I have a lot of music and I like to have all of it in one place which is why I myself have a 64gb Ipod which is already 40 something gigs full already. After you do some calculating as to how much music you have or if your going to put movies or whatever else on it, and you're still not sure between one size and the other, than go for the bigger one. Because remember whatever you get you are stuck with as their memory is not upgradeable.

roadhunter wrote:8GB will give you room for about 2,500 songs. As for a sweet spot, well, the more capacity, the cheaper the price per gig, but you just don't need any more than 8.

2500!?? If your listening to fuzzy clips of songs maybe. A typical 3 minute song at decent quality is about 5 mb, meaning you're really only looking at about 1600 songs.

Anyone here use Facetime ap? Good or hoopy?

Is Facetime only from Mac to Mac?

plavacek wrote:If you buy this, you MUST buy a gel case or better. If you drop it from any height - 2 inches or 2 feet - the front glass will shatter. Apple doesn't cover this as warranty work (duh), and you'll be out $100.

/personal experience

Not necessarily true. We're a family with a Touch and two iPhones. All have seen accidents and we've never broken one. If my 6 yr old can manage to not destroy one, most adults should be able to as well.

I understand that accidents do happen but breakage is very rare.
I'm typing this in an iPhone that's been dropped several times onto a concrete floor while getting out if my car at work.

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

I have the previous version, and 8gb is fine for me. Then again, I don't have gigabytes upon gigabytes of songs. The more music you have that you'll actually listen to on a daily basis, the more space you'll need. If you're like me, there will be more memory devoted to apps than to music

KevinMCombes wrote:Can it run Android?

Most likely yes, but not very well.

I have previous generation 32gb. I bought it 2 weeks too early for this generation, back in August. It is more than 1/2 full. I primarily use it for audio books and apps. If you are looking primarily for a music player DON'T bother with this that is overkill. It is a computer. It is an invaluable work tool, communication device for disabled kids, and good time killer with games.
I pair it with a mifi device (Virgin Mobile $40/mo unlimited (I will rant about their customer service another time), or Verizon more /month limited but actual customer service, so I get wifi almost anyplace.
I my 9 year old wants one too (he is saving his money diligently, using an app on my itouch to track it), but this price is a rip-off I can get one with a $50 gift card at Toys R Us or Walmart.
The only place I have ever seen 16gb itouches is at BJ's

I have the 64GB (functionally, 59.84 GB, apparently), and it's actually not big enough. I have 20 or so GB of music, but I also have video heavy podcasts (Ted talks), as well as WAY too many GB of iTunes U stuff (like, 40 GB of audio/video). I've always known I would need a big iPod (I've always been GB heavy), whereas I know people who think nanos are fine. I can't handle the concept of having to choose which songs/genres/etc I would want to take with me, I want to take it all and then have the chance to decide on the fly.

BUYER BEWARE I bought one of these in july of last year same 90 day warranty it came all scratched up on the back also discovered after the warranty was up the keyboard 7 8 ond other areas were not working .Woot will not allow returns if you get one all scratched up i tried they said tuff. This is not an apple refurbished product it should be labeled used ipod touches that may have a problem and may have cosmetic damage buyer beware only buy these if they are apple refurbished

mbrickell wrote: So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity?!

Last year, when Woot! had 2nd and 3rd gen iPod Touches, I picked up a 16GB (it matched the capacity of my iPad) and found it to be too little to store everything I wanted on it. So I picked up the 32GB when it rolled around and passed the 16GB down to my kids. The choice has been a good one.

The big difference is that I don't keep podcasts or music on the iPad, nor the unit for the kids, so 16GB is fine (although I do have to manage the videos a bit); the 32GB means I don't constantly "fiddle" with the content on the touch, which has a larger cross-section of my digital media because it is so portable.

Spiky wrote:Why? Are you on EDGE? Verizon won't, but ATT allows for simultaneous phone and data.

This is a croc.

Verizon wont let you do it while on a call, if both the call and the data connection are over the air.

But I use wifi for my Verizon Droid, and can talk while browsing no problem.

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

As a close point of reference, my 2500-2600 songs are like 12gigs. Now, of course you don't need to have every single song you own on your ipod at all times. But then you also need to think about the size of apps. some range from a couple hundred KBs to a handful of MBs. In all honesty, if you're gonna keep it for a few years more is better. My 16gig iphone is full of apps and not all my music

roadhunter wrote:So, you'd rather pay $196 on eBay than under $194 on Woot? What's up with that? If you're looking to throw $2 bills away, send one to me, please.

Me too. I like collecting 2 dollar bills. They're hard to find. LOL

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

It depends how much music you have. Personally I need a minimum of 16 GB, but the vast majority of people don't need more than 8.

theherbshack wrote:This is a croc.

Verizon wont let you do it while on a call, if both the call and the data connection are over the air.

But I use wifi for my Verizon Droid, and can talk while browsing no problem.

So here's a Q for you - I have an HTC Eris, Android OS, on Verizon .... if you are on a call can you turn the wifi on in the middle of the call to surf the net and, say, look something up? Or would that disconnect you? (I don't have mine set to auto wifi since mine is rooted and that setting doesn't play well w/sending picture text messages anymore - it used to switch back to 3G, send pic msg and then go back to wifi) so I just keep 3G on all the time).

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

I have an 8 gig. It's got a ton of music on it, not any video though, which eats up more space. 16 g might be nice, but I already have songs on it I skip all the time when they come up, I just don't ever think when I get home to take them off. I do find myself havign to "clean it up" now when I get a new album, which is a bit of a pain. But 8 really does store a lot of songs

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

I think it depends on your usage, your library size, and how "flexible" you can be with what you carry. My music library is about 20GB and my video library is around 50GB (and expanding by about a GB a month). I have a 32GB touch that regularly contains about 25-28GB of "stuff" on it between audio, video, apps, and podcasts. I rotate the video based on what is going on; most days there are 3-4 movies on it, but on a trip I might load it up with kids movies and fill the device. If you don't use much video or you use SD/crappy video, you could probably get away with the 8GB touch. 64GB is probably overkill for most people. To me, 16GB is the most useless because if you can afford 16GB, you may as well pay the extra $50 or so and double your storage. IMHO, it's either 8GB for entry level users with not much stuff, 32GB for users with larger libraries, or a classic for users that want to carry everything.

chimpsnest wrote:So here's a Q for you - I have an HTC Eris, Android OS, on Verizon .... if you are on a call can you turn the wifi on in the middle of the call to surf the net and, say, look something up? Or would that disconnect you? (I don't have mine set to auto wifi since mine is rooted and that setting doesn't play well w/sending picture text messages anymore - it used to switch back to 3G, send pic msg and then go back to wifi) so I just keep 3G on all the time).

Thats a question I can't honestly answer.

My phone is set up to only remember my home network, so it's only a matter for me when at home.

I use a Moto Droid and its not rooted, using latest Firmware, and I talk on phone while browsing quite often.

echo465 wrote:Apple store's refurb/clearance section:

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipod/ipod_touch

Yea, but those are the previous generations... For the $40+ and cheaper shipping, I'd rather get the w00t one.

mbrickell wrote:So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity?

As an owner of a 8 GB 2nd gen Touch and a 64 GB 4th gen Touch, I can say that, for me, 64 GB is too much and 8 GB is not enough.

When my 8GB 2nd gen Touch was my primary, I had to limit the videos and photos and music I stored on it because I kept bumping against the limit.

Now with my 64GB 4th gen Touch, even with all my music and a bunch of videos and apps, I'm barely using half of the storage. If I had gotten the 32 GB, and didn't go hog-wild like I am now, it would have been plenty.

I actually just got myself a new one of these and so far I'm very happy with it but I'm using it strictly as a toy. I don't have any gen 3 around to compare to but compared to a few gen 2 ones around the office the Retina display looks a lot sharper and brighter. I've been having fun playing with the apps and in some rare instances so far it has been nice having a wifi enabled device without having to get out my laptop. The price doesn't thrill me but I can recommend the product! I haven't had a chance to play with Facetime yet but it seems interesting but sort of a gimmick. These will also likely continue to come down as they are now talking about the iPhone 5 being a mobile hotspot. Not sure if the Touch 5 will duplicate that or not since its not on a phone network but its something to consider.

The VERY first thing I did was to get screen protectors and a case. The screen seems reasonably scratch resistant but the back is the same buffed silver finish that gets scratched if you look at it funny.

plavacek wrote:If you buy this, you MUST buy a gel case or better. If you drop it from any height - 2 inches or 2 feet - the front glass will shatter. Apple doesn't cover this as warranty work (duh), and you'll be out $100.

/personal experience

Did you have one of the earlier models? Do you think this one is *more* fragile than one of those?

If you are just buying this on a lark, you should really think about buying one through Apple itself they have a 1 year warranty not just 90 days which is pretty Sirius GPP for refurb.

I got one of these via an Amazon promo at Christmas.

It does video chat with Skype if you have Wifi. So if you have skypeout or in it may replace your phone (I have a mifi).

You have the Jobs "defective by design" problems - no real GPS, so the only purchase I ever made for it was from Cydia (jailbreak) for a bluetooth GPS program - and with a real 10Hz GPS it is amazing.

Processor is fast enough to run everything.

I have a zoom media plus SD card reader (with app) so I can just play music and read PDFs or view pics from the SD card, so the 8Gb isn't a limitation.

Unlike the 2g/3g version, it has full multitasking so can play things like twit.tv in the background. The microphone is built-in (for skype) but it has a general speaker, not an ear speaker.

It has no GPS since that is apparently part of the cellphone chip, and it has no compass chip, but does have the accelerometer and the gyro. And the front camera is basic but works, not the 5mp of the phone.

In short, nearly all the iOS 4.2.1 technology at an entry price.

8Gb isn't a limit if you stream or rotate through podcasts. It is/would be if you have a decade old library (mine barely fits on my 80Gb classic).

Edit - one other thing some might find useful are the accessibility features such as voiceover (if you want pages read out loud to you) or voice control. It will also pair with a mono phone headset but that doesn't work with everything.

stevesds wrote:zune? w-t-f is that? some new Sony gadget?

A Zune is the Microsoft version of the ipod. Same thing basically. HAs wi-fi (b&g only) versus b,g,n n new ipod,also has apps,games music,etc,great display (same type as this ipod,just slightly smaller resolution),however,the zune doesn't have a camera built in,but yes,it does play HD video....just can't record them. I have an ipod touch 3rd gen and am considering a zune next,but this touch here is definitely not a good deal. Better off getting it new as many have already said on this discussion.

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

I have a 16GB 2nd Gen, and I keep 2200 songs and several apps (w/ 3 GB still available). My kids have 3rd Gens with 8GB and they're fine.

I would say it boils down to will you be carrying around much video. A normal movie can be 2-4 GB. For just using apps and a decent music collection, 8GB is fine.

thomasz wrote:I got one of these via an Amazon promo at Christmas.

It does video chat with Skype if you have Wifi. So if you have skypeout or in it may replace your phone (I have a mifi).

You have the Jobs "defective by design" problems - no real GPS, so the only purchase I ever made for it was from Cydia (jailbreak) for a bluetooth GPS program - and with a real 10Hz GPS it is amazing.

Processor is fast enough to run everything.

I have a zoom media plus SD card reader (with app) so I can just play music and read PDFs or view pics from the SD card, so the 8Gb isn't a limitation.

Unlike the 2g/3g version, it has full multitasking so can play things like twit.tv in the background. The microphone is built-in (for skype) but it has a general speaker, not an ear speaker.

It has no GPS since that is apparently part of the cellphone chip, and it has no compass chip, but does have the accelerometer and the gyro. And the front camera is basic but works, not the 5mp of the phone.

In short, nearly all the iOS 4.2.1 technology at an entry price.

8Gb isn't a limit if you stream or rotate through podcasts. It is/would be if you have a decade old library (mine barely fits on my 80Gb classic).

How is the Skype on this? I've been thinking of getting a Touch (or maybe the new Galaxy Player) to basically use as a home phone through my wifi.

Can you receive calls normally? Is the speaker and mic good for those purposes (as opposed to just videochatting)?

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

well, 32gb seems the best now, 16 WAS perfect, 8 isnt enough for a ton of apps and a bunch of music, forget PHOTOS. Whatever makes you happy, =D

roadhunter wrote:So, you'd rather pay $196 on eBay than under $194 on Woot? What's up with that? If you're looking to throw $2 bills away, send one to me, please.

Actually,it would be saving money,not wasting. Cause woot charges 5 for shipping,but they also charge tax. Not only that,but for that price on ebay you would get a new one versus a refurb on here and no tax so it would be a better,cheaper deal all around.

franjos wrote:Anyone here use Facetime ap? Good or hoopy?

Is Facetime only from Mac to Mac?

Facetime works pretty well. I have it on my Mac and chat with my daughter using her iPhone. It's a lot easier to set up than Skype for video calling.

At the moment only the iPhone, this model of the iPod Touch, and MacOS run Facetime. I don't know if Apple will ever come out with Facetime for Windows.

timt wrote:Doesn't seem like a great deal. For $15 more (including shipping), you can get a new one from Amazon. ($209 vs. $189+$5)
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-touch-Generation-NEWEST-MODEL/dp/B001FA1O0O

Does anyone read anymore, we heard this 5 times already. Got it, cheaper at Amazon

stevesds wrote:sorry Woot, you can buy these all month long on E-BAY for $196 + free shipping:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280613601647#ht_4703wt_1139

NO SALE FOR YOU!

Or at the Apple store for $150 plus shipping.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipod?mco=OTY2ODY2NQ

SO...is this a 4th generation then?

Bought one for $199. brand new. Not a great deal!

what is "retina dislay"? I have a new ipod touch but don't know if it has that feature or not.

When the iPhone 3G came out I bought the 8GB rather than the 16GB. AT&T told me I would run out of space. When the iPhone 4 came out the 8GB wasn't an option; the 16GB is the smallest. I had owned the 3G for over a year and still had over 50% of the 8GB available. I believe the 8GB will do fine for most people.

8GB is sufficient for many dozens of apps, a big address book, and thousands of songs, plus podcasts and videos, in modest numbers. In other words, unless you have a huge library of mp3s to transfer this 8gb should be fine for most people.

mbrickell wrote:Ok, so I've been checking Apple's site daily for a while now, waiting for these current gen touches to become available refurb. All I keep seeing is the prev gen. Anyway, tempted here although the price doesn't seem that hot as others have mentioned. Still, in my experience Apple refurb stuff is like new. So, my question to those who know iPod Touches: how much memory do I really need with one of these? Is 8gb livable? Is 64gb overkill? What is the sweet spot of price versus capacity? Thank you to anyone who can give me some good advice. I'm going to buy one...somewhere...and would appreciate some informed opinion as to memory. Thanks!

So then this is currently refurbished? Does that mean newly broken?

Download any VoIP app and it's an iPhone without a 2 year contract.
A LOT of people do NOT realize these will make phone calls using WiFi and a proper app like Skype, Vonage, iCall etc...
All you need is a headset. Same goes for the WiFi only iPads. I used an iPod Touch while in Canada to call out using the hotels WiFi and didn't have to pay for any of it. iCall has a free call option as do the others.