pooflady wrote:This is low income. You don't qualify.

I do! or would if I was older and had a house and we had any kind of program even close to that.

//sigh

KtCallista wrote:ah, there it is. I couldn't find it on the spell checker and I'm too lazy to try and find it on www.m-w.com so I was wondering if it was an -izm of mine. I know people have made fun of me for the way I say it (yes, I pronounce a "p" sound in it).

Thanks GMan.

No prob. I know folks who pronounce the b in debt.

We had nasty weather earlier in the afternoon. Tornadoes sighted on the other end of the county. We didn't have much wind just a lot of really hard rain at our house.

dontwantaname wrote:Sure, tell her it is ok, and then bust my chops on everything!

Okay.

It's chirping tree frog season again. Maybe Spring is around the corner!

AZGman wrote:No prob. I know folks who pronounce the b in debt.

I had some friends growing up that were pronunciation Need more history channel.s. They used to have a lot of fun ripping apart some of the stuff I say. My pronunciation isn't that bad either. My spelling, yes, but that's something else entirely.

I also went through a few different periods where I learned mispronunciation that were regional like "warsh". Every once in a while those slip in. oh, and I like to make up words, that must be a regional thing, since that one lady who went to school here seems to be all famous for it now.

Hi all.

Charlie Sheen sounds bipolar to me and in a manic phase. which is sad. Hope he gets help.

Friends brother was bipolar. Before he got diagnosed he had a theory that intelligence was determined by the first letter of your last name. A's were the smartest and so on. If I married someone higher in the alphabet, I would get smarter.

It makes an amusing story now, but hearing Charlie Sheen's interview distinctly reminds me of this person in his manic stages.

kdccrosby wrote:Hi all.

Charlie Sheen sounds bipolar to me and in a manic phase. which is sad. Hope he gets help.

Friends brother was bipolar. Before he got diagnosed he had a theory that intelligence was determined by the first letter of your last name. A's were the smartest and so on. If I married someone higher in the alphabet, I would get smarter.

It makes an amusing story now, but hearing Charlie Sheen's interview distinctly reminds me of this person in his manic stages.

Daughter1 too. He needs some meds. Lots of bipolar people drink to self medicate.

KtCallista wrote:

I had some friends growing up that were pronunciation Need more history channel.s. They used to have a lot of fun ripping apart some of the stuff I say. My pronunciation isn't that bad either. My spelling, yes, but that's something else entirely.

I also went through a few different periods where I learned mispronunciation that were regional like "warsh". Every once in a while those slip in. oh, and I like to make up words, that must be a regional thing, since that one lady who went to school here seems to be all famous for it now.

I'm the opposite, I can spell, but I have a hard time knowing the correct pronunciation, especially if I've read the word a lot and then discover I've been pronouncing it in my head wrong.

KtCallista wrote:ah, there it is. I couldn't find it on the spell checker and I'm too lazy to try and find it on www.m-w.com so I was wondering if it was an -izm of mine. I know people have made fun of me for the way I say it (yes, I pronounce a "p" sound in it).

Thanks GMan.

My mother spoke very perfect and precise english and she always pronouced it that way.

Iceback wrote:My mother spoke very perfect and precise english and she always pronouced it that way.

why thank you Ice!


I didn't hear the Charlie Sheen interview, but SIL (Orc's little sister) is bipolar and she's been much better since the diagnosis, but we still constantly worry about her. She doesn't seem to be able to tolerate working anywhere for more than a few months (although her father is that way too), and she's always mentally acted much younger than she is.

pooflady wrote:I'm the opposite, I can spell, but I have a hard time knowing the correct pronunciation, especially if I've read the word a lot and then discover I've been pronouncing it in my head wrong.

In high school one of my girlfriends and I wrote many reports together, she would spell all the words, and I'm a walking thesaurus.

I know an "E-Lois" spelled Eloise, her mother read it in a book and never realized it was pronounced differently.

joyner wrote:Daughter1 too. He needs some meds. Lots of bipolar people drink to self medicate.

Or medicate until the feel normal and can function and then decide they don't need the meds, which leads to the drinking to self medicate and the circle starts all over.

I have a 2nd cousin who suffers, as well as my friends brother. Hugs to you joyner, because I know how completely exhausting it is to deal with.

kdccrosby wrote:Or medicate until the feel normal and can function and then decide they don't need the meds, which leads to the drinking to self medicate and the circle starts all over.

I have a 2nd cousin who suffers, as well as my friends brother. Hugs to you joyner, because I know how completely exhausting it is to deal with.

yeah, SIL can't have kids because of her medication. She'd have to go off of it, and she has enough sense to know that would be a horrible idea.

My daughter's f-i-l as well as a guy I used to work with both are fine when on their meds but meds make them feel well enough to trick them into thinking they don't need the medication so they stop. It's very sad to watch.

Iceback wrote:My daughter's f-i-l as well as a guy I used to work with both are fine when on their meds but meds make them feel well enough to trick them into thinking they don't need the medication so they stop. It's very sad to watch.

I just read back and realized this is similar to what Kid said, but true none the less.

Iceback wrote:I just read back and relized this is similar to what Kid said, but true none the less.

very true, and very common problem

Iceback wrote:but meds make them feel well enough to trick them into thinking they don't need the medication so they stop.

I will never understand that. It is like the dog at then end of the street that has an electric fence. When he hits the edge he turns around because of the shock, but then he isn't being shocked anymore so he turns back around to run closer to you, but then gets shocked... and so on. He just spins around on the edge of the invisible fence. It seems stupid even for a dog, but when a human is that dumb, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

FenStar wrote:I will never understand that. It is like the dog at then end of the street that has an electric fence. When he hits the edge he turns around because of the shock, but then he isn't being shocked anymore so he turns back around to run closer to you, but then gets shocked... and so on. He just spins around on the edge of the invisible fence. It seems stupid even for a dog, but when a human is that dumb, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

Being completely dependent on an expensive drug which requires frequent (or at least consistent) expensive trips to a medical professional is really really hard. I know, I have to have a drug to balance my thyroid and every time I get tested I hope this is the last time I'll have to do it.

For a mental illness it's even worse. Not only is there very little research on the long term effects of these drugs, but they can spontaneously stop working, or your body can simply start working. Some people do successfully get off of them. Sometimes your body starts rejecting them. My dad was on an anti-depressant that while he was happy enough, made all his other symptoms explode out of proportion (completely lucid hallucinations anyone?) Yet, my sister has amazing luck with the exact same drug.

FenStar wrote:I will never understand that. It is like the dog at then end of the street that has an electric fence. When he hits the edge he turns around because of the shock, but then he isn't being shocked anymore so he turns back around to run closer to you, but then gets shocked... and so on. He just spins around on the edge of the invisible fence. It seems stupid even for a dog, but when a human is that dumb, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

It's a mental illness, not stupidity. Thankfully I have only been peripherally connected to it, but have still seen the struggle. It's tough for everyone.

And that is enough downer stuff from me!

FenStar wrote:I will never understand that. It is like the dog at then end of the street that has an electric fence. When he hits the edge he turns around because of the shock, but then he isn't being shocked anymore so he turns back around to run closer to you, but then gets shocked... and so on. He just spins around on the edge of the invisible fence. It seems stupid even for a dog, but when a human is that dumb, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

Intelligence has nothing to do with it. It's an illness. They really haven't the same thought process as a "normal" thinking person.They can't help how their brain reasons.(as I understand it). Blaming them for they way their brain works is like blaming a cancer patient for being ill.

//edit//Once again I'm echoing Kid.

Iceback wrote:Intelligence has nothing to do with it. It's an illness. They really haven't the same thought process as a "normal" thinking person.They can't help how their brain reasons.(as I understand it). Blaming them for they way their brain works is like blaming a cancer patient for being ill.

Thea is true, but ONLY WHEN THEY AREN'T PROPERLY MEDICATED. When you are on drugs, and they are working, you have no excuse and it is a matter of idiocy.

KtCallista wrote:Not only is there very little research on the long term effects of these drugs, but they can spontaneously stop working, or your body can simply start working. Some people do successfully get off of them.

Ok, if your meds stop working for some reason, I understand looking at different medication. We are talking about people who stop taking their medication because it is working.

kdccrosby wrote:but have still seen the struggle. It's tough for everyone.

Yes, it is tough finding the right medications and habits, but if you throw that all away and cause more suffering for your friends and family just because you are a dumb-ass you should be ******* ***** ***** ***********. I understand how bad it can be when you have an untreated mental illness, which is why I can't for the life of me understand why someone who had things under control would wish to digress into such a horrid state.

FenStar wrote:Thea is true, but ONLY WHEN THEY AREN'T PROPERLY MEDICATED. When you are on drugs, and they are working, you have no excuse and it is a matter of idiocy.

I claim no expertise but I have a difficult time believing that a person would willing choose to live that way. Again, I do know enough to say that mental illness isn't an indication of lack of intelligence.

FenStar wrote:Thea is true, but ONLY WHEN THEY AREN'T PROPERLY MEDICATED. When you are on drugs, and they are working, you have no excuse and it is a matter of idiocy.

Actually, this is NOT TRUE! There is no drug anywhere that can change the way your brain works. The drugs simply saturate your brain with chemicals that it may not be producing enough of on it's own. It does not change the way it functions at all.

Iceback wrote:
//edit//Once again I'm echoing Kid.

Great minds and all that jazz....

If you had a friend with a broken leg that refused to use a wheelchair or crutches, and instead demanded that you carry them everywhere, and do everything for them, It would be obvious that they were an Zaphod Beeblebrox. But if a mental patient refuses to take there meds, everyone rushes to their defense. And the HELL someone with a mental issue that refuses to address it puts their family through is inexcusable.

FenStar wrote:Ok, if your meds stop working for some reason, I understand looking at different medication. We are talking about people who stop taking their medication because it is working.

Also, it would be good to note that "working" is a highly relative term. All of these things have side effects, even my low dose thyroid crap. Just because you feel better in general doesn't mean you don't get to have other pains, or new "drug induced allergies" (My sister has a huge list, most notably she gets violently ill if she has any form of carbonation!) Nobody wants to be sick, and after a while sometimes the side-effects seem worse than going without the meds. After all looking back life really wasn't as bad as whatever we are facing now, after all, we know how to deal with those issues if nothing else.

Not to mention all the other issues, which with the exception of Charlie Sheen, the financial concerns involved in a country that doesn't give a Battlefield Earth (2000), are extreme issues.

So... change of subject.

I bought a new wii fit so that I will have a variety of exercise options - in the hopes that I can force myself to do at least one of them, even when I don't feel like it.

Upon doing the initial setup - my lovely wii balance board told me I was a clumsy fat-ass. And then proceeded to make my mii character fat to match! sheesh!

FenStar wrote:If you had a friend with a broken leg that refused to use a wheelchair or crutches, and instead demanded that you carry them everywhere, and do everything for them, It would be obvious that they were an Zaphod Beeblebrox. But if a mental patient refuses to take there meds, everyone rushes to their defense. And the HELL someone with a mental issue that refuses to address it puts their family through is inexcusable.

Actually, current research shows the complete immobilization is bad for leg injuries and if at all possible the patient should walk as soon as possible without the aid of crutches if at all feasible.

kdccrosby wrote:Great minds and all that jazz....

I really don't think you want to hitch your horse to this wagon.

KtCallista wrote:Actually, this is NOT TRUE! There is no drug anywhere that can change the way your brain works. The drugs simply saturate your brain with chemicals that it may not be producing enough of on it's own. It does not change the way it functions at all.

Ok, I'll tell you what, do I seem more pissy then normal? Do I seem more like a warping lunatic? Well, I forgot one of my meds yesterday. I'll go ahead and go off the rest of them for this week, and then for the next few days you can explain to me how I am just as reasonable and intelligent acting I am as last week, well at least for a few days until I kill myself. When you are properly medicated, you are just as capibale of making rational decisions as anyone else.

kdccrosby wrote:So... change of subject.

I bought a new wii fit so that I will have a variety of exercise options - in the hopes that I can force myself to do at least one of them, even when I don't feel like it.

Upon doing the initial setup - my lovely wii balance board told me I was a clumsy fat-ass. And then proceeded to make my mii character fat to match! sheesh!

You could probably get a good workout smashing it to pieces.

KtCallista wrote:Actually, current research shows the complete immobilization is bad for leg injuries and if at all possible the patient should walk as soon as possible without the aid of crutches if at all feasible.

//Facepalm

kdccrosby wrote:So... change of subject.

I bought a new wii fit so that I will have a variety of exercise options - in the hopes that I can force myself to do at least one of them, even when I don't feel like it.

Upon doing the initial setup - my lovely wii balance board told me I was a clumsy fat-ass. And then proceeded to make my mii character fat to match! sheesh!

Yeah, I have the same wii board issue, but my problem with doing the exercises isn't the lack of wanting to it's the mound of toys in front of the TV and the little people who try to crawl underfoot whenever I try to drag out the board.

I like setting up a custom workout and doing that when I get the chance. I just really wish you could set two or three different ones to have it save then you could alternate between like, upper body/lower body, or aerobic/strength training. I also wish you could include some of the games in your personal workout, they are in the preprogrammed workouts, but you can't add them for some reason.

Iceback wrote:I really don't think you want to hitch your horse to this wagon.

Who's driving this train, you or me? 'cause we are probably screwed either way!

FenStar wrote:Ok, I'll tell you what, do I seem more pissy then normal? Do I seem more like a warping lunatic? Well, I forgot one of my meds yesterday. I'll go ahead and go off the rest of them for this week, and then for the next few days you can explain to me how I am just as reasonable and intelligent acting I am as last week, well at least for a few days until I kill myself. When you are properly medicated, you are just as capibale of making rational decisions as anyone else.

I'm just going to agree to disagree with you on this subject and let it go. I'm not saying there isn't personal responsibility involved also, but I don't really agree with your opinions either.

*shrugs* You don't have to agree with me either.