Cons: low density 2GB memories, no USB3, no eSATA, no 5.8G wifi, cheapie mouse, cheapie keyboard.

I just don't get it. It's a dual core CPU from the previous generation and a 50 dollar video card.

whatsamattaU wrote:Ya know, if you look even harder, you can probably find a deal for Advil for the headache. Myself, I'm looking to catch Leak Frogs,....

...and they say I'm the crazy one.

MS-7613 Motherboard BIOS Update

msi forum

tomshardware forum

whatsamattaU wrote:Nice to see him back in action again. He actually tends toward the fine foods in life now, if you look at where his posts have been more nowadays (click his name). In the meantime, I just fill in with posts where I see he's not been yet (which tonight, like a lot of nights, means I can add little). He also has a propensity to root for the Jets and Raydahs, but it's out of season.

Yep, you can tell Nightghost has a good heart & really likes to help folks. I appreciate all the helpful info he contributes. I too just try to fill in where he's not been but like you said it means I can add little. Way to go!

dwheatly wrote:I just don't get it. It's a dual core CPU from the previous generation and a 50 dollar video card.

It does hyperthreading, so it has 4 logical cores.

dwheatly wrote:I just don't get it. It's a dual core CPU from the previous generation and a 50 dollar video card.

Hence the affordability. PS. I'm not sure where you're finding a 5570 for 50 bucks...

equazcion wrote:NightGhost is the product of a failed military experiment to create a neurological net server to coordinate combat operations. Once it was connected to the internet, it seemed to lose interest in war and became distracted more and more by Woot deals.

NightGhost now sits in the Woot basement on an IV. It is a cybernetic organism consisting only of a brain, an eye, two arms, and built-in keyboard and LCD.

That seriously made me el-oh-el

So this intel i5 faster than amd six core process?

pcfriendly wrote:I've been a professional computer consultant for over 23 years and current owner of a PC Consulting firm. My opinion...I wouldn't touch an HP currently if you paid me. I was an HP Reseller and have had such headaches with technical support with some issues taking over three months to resolve on brand new systems. After dealing with constant issues with my clients, I rejected my partnership with them. They couldn't even do that right and still have me listed as a partner.

Part of making a good product is having good support. HP doesn't...period.

I'll second...third...and fourth...this opinion, as I have THREE HP computers within arm's length of my Dell, the only one I still actually Use! All three are useless, having Windows 98, 2000, and XP in them. Probably doesn't help that HP is now made in Mexico. Of course, that isn't the worst of my sad computer history, as my first laptop was a 14" CTX...which ended up in the Trash!
Isn't Technology Swell?!

pcfriendly wrote:I've been a professional computer consultant for over 23 years and current owner of a PC Consulting firm. My opinion...I wouldn't touch an HP currently if you paid me. I was an HP Reseller and have had such headaches with technical support with some issues taking over three months to resolve on brand new systems. After dealing with constant issues with my clients, I rejected my partnership with them. They couldn't even do that right and still have me listed as a partner.

Part of making a good product is having good support. HP doesn't...period.

It's a bummer too. I have a 10 year old HP that is still running strong. Things like that are good cause for brand loyalty, unfortunately, the company was run into the crapper.

iBUYPOWER Gamer Supreme is my favorite. It is a real game monster. Uh!

zmh0312 wrote:So this intel i5 faster than amd six core process?

Yes, but only when comparing two single-thread operations. More cores means more tasks can be run simultaneously at full clock speed. This one will drop to half speed (1.6GHz) with 4 full-load tasks running, while the 6-core will run all 4 tasks at full speed without flinching.

Take note, this core i5 650 is NOT on the Sandy Bridge architecture.

Oh, forgot to ask....why does an $800 computer in the 21st Century still have a Corded mouse and keyboard?!!
That's SO 20th Century!

equazcion wrote:Yes, but only when comparing two single-thread operations. More cores means more tasks can be run simultaneously at full clock speed. This one will drop to half speed (1.6GHz) with 4 full-load tasks running, while the 6-core will run all 4 tasks at full speed without flinching.

Honestly, the amd would probably stomp this even single threaded. Still, good point, hyper threading is always a terrible way to go

BTW NightGhost, I'm just messing with you. I actually think I'm jealous of all your quality posts compared to my measly 4. Honestly, I don't even know how I have 4 quality posts. All I post is BS. Maybe it was a new Mod back in the day and he had the same sense of humor as me ...poor guy probably got fired. So NightGhost, you can now go on with your life knowing I approve of you. You're welcome and goodnight.

whatsamattaU wrote:Nice to see him back in action again. He actually tends toward the fine foods in life now

Since today's Wine.Woot! is Ty Caton, and that's an auto-buy for a lot of the regulars there, there's not much for him to add over there. So being bored, he dropped in over here.

He's also mastered the art of milking the Quality Post auto-filter by posting only three links per post.

iGGz wrote:BTW NightGhost, I'm just messing with you. I actually think I'm jealous of all your quality posts compared to my measly 4. Honestly, I don't even know how I have 4 quality posts. All I post is BS. Maybe it was a new Mod back in the day and he had the same sense of humor as me ...poor guy probably got fired. So NightGhost, you can now go on with your life knowing I approve of you. You're welcome and goodnight.

I'm just messing too as I hope he's smart enough to know. I was actually looking forward to some lengthy sarcastic retort to my post, but I guess he's not in the mood tonight.

NightGhost wrote:...and they say I'm the crazy one.

+1

BTW, I've seen you called a lot of things, but crazy never entered my mind.

Also, BTW, for those who didn't get my previous joke:
http://www.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=15693

Good night!

Great foundation for a gaming PC. I'd swap that Power Supply with something over 500 Watts in order to maximize its potential.

I have an HP like this and it's CRAP there are serious problems with support even when you purchase there warrenty. It's the last time I buy an HP I fell for it twice once with the otigional purchase and again with the second. Shame on me when or IF they replace parts it's a refurb part of doubious integrety. If I could I would get my hard earned money back and look elswhere. I was on the phone for a few hours over seas, don't get me wrong I like India and it's people but there should be Americans fixing American probleb. Notice the keybord problems.

ans1393 wrote:I found it cheaper then you guys are selling it.

A Google Shopping search, i.e. Froogle, finds it easily from a web site I've never heard of:

New World Information Technology HP HPE-240F Recertified for $671

HP BK173AAR#ABA HEWLETT PACKARD HP FACTORY RECERTIFIED PAVILION ELITE HPE-240F PC MT I5-650/CI5-3.20G 8192MB/4-D

Part Number :BK173AAR#ABA
Manufacturer :Hewlett-Packard
Type :Information Technology

List Price: $693.34
Price: $671.00

Condition: NEW

Availability: Available

unksol wrote:Honestly, the amd would probably stomp this even single threaded. Still, good point, hyper threading is always a terrible way to go

That's a strong statement. A dual core with hyperthreading may not be able to match a true quad core processor, but it will still offer a significant performance improvement over a dual core with HT turned off (except in very specific circumstances).

If you want to call it the "poor man's quad core," I couldn't argue.

From the manufacture's web site comprehensive specs:

HP Pavilion Elite HPE-240f Desktop PC Product Specifications

Product release information

Product number = BK173AA

Release date = 24-Feb-2010

borntohunt wrote:A Google Shopping search, i.e. Froogle, finds it easily from a web site I've never heard of:


New World Information Technology HP HPE-240F Recertified for $671

HP BK173AAR#ABA HEWLETT PACKARD HP FACTORY RECERTIFIED PAVILION ELITE HPE-240F PC MT I5-650/CI5-3.20G 8192MB/4-D

Part Number :BK173AAR#ABA
Manufacturer :Hewlett-Packard
Type :Information Technology

List Price: $693.34
Price: $671.00

Condition: NEW

Availability: Available

That website looks really suspect to me for some reason... But thats just me.

You will notice however that woots is new, while this sites is clearly a refurb even though they chose to list its condition as "new" another thing that bothers me

NightGhost wrote:That's a strong statement. A dual core with hyperthreading may not be able to match a true quad core processor, but it will still offer a significant performance improvement over a dual core with HT turned off (except in very specific circumstances).

If you want to call it the "poor man's quad core," I couldn't argue.

True, toms hardware is also now excluding non hyper threaded dual cores from some of their lists because 3 threads are needed for decent gaming performance. I prefer to call it "the silly mans quad core" since I haven't seen a hyper threaded dual core that didn't have a comparable priced quad that could beat it. But thatd just me being a pain while I'm bored at work.

Maybe i'll play a game, now where did I leave that ICBM key....

Wntrgarnet wrote:You could take half of the ram out and still run Win 7-64 bit with ease..
take the leftover ram and grab 2 slices of bread.. make yourself a nice RAMmich..

I run 7-64bit Ultimate on my laptop with 2.5 gb of RAM, runs like a champ. (Acer Travelmate 5520)

unksol wrote:True, toms hardware is also now excluding non hyper threaded dual cores from some of their lists because 3 threads are needed for decent gaming performance. I prefer to call it "the silly mans quad core" since I haven't seen a hyper threaded dual core that didn't have a comparable priced quad that could beat it. But thatd just me being a pain while I'm bored at work.

Maybe i'll play a game, now where did I leave that ICBM key....

I'll take a quad core w/ HT
8 threads ftmfw

If you're looking for computer like this and live near a Micro Center Store check out the Gateway
DX4831-07 Desktop Computer for $674.99. I thought I was getting a great deal when I payed $869.99 for that machine last June. It has a better i5-750 processor, and contrary to the published (HD 5750) info it comes with an HD 5770 graphics card. It's better or equal to this HP in every respect and costs $125 less. It's a great deal if you happen to live near one of their stores. It can't be ordered online.

buffaloed wrote:If you're looking for computer like this and live near a Micro Center Store check out the Gateway
DX4831-07 Desktop Computer for $674.99. I thought I was getting a great deal when I payed $869.99 for that machine last June. It has a better i5-750 processor, and contrary to the published (HD 5750) info it comes with an HD 5770 graphics card. It's better or equal to this HP in every respect and costs $125 less. It's a great deal if you happen to live near one of their stores. It can't be ordered online.

Yep, that's a good deal but it does not have Blu Ray and a TV Tuner like this HP HPE-240F deal in case folks want that too. I find lots of good deals at Micro Center who was recently selling the HPE-240F for $900 for many months until they sold out right now in my area just that Gateway PC you mentioned.

Micro Center HP HPE-240F

Hewlett-Packard
Pavilion Elite HPE-240f Desktop Computer

Our Price: $899.99

SKU 605923
Mfr Part #: BK173AA#ABA
UPC: 884962819432
Intel® Core(tm) i5-650 Processor
8GB DDR3-1066 SDRAM
1TB Hard Drive
Blu-ray Player and LightScribe SuperMulti DVD Burner
15-in-1 Memory Card Reader
ATI Radeon HD 5570
TV Tuner
10/100/1000 Network
802.11b/g/n Wireless
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)

The inside and back of the CPU look so different from my newer generation 2500k...a lot bigger too.

Wntrgarnet wrote:You could take half of the ram out and still run Win 7-64 bit with ease..
take the leftover ram and grab 2 slices of bread.. make yourself a nice RAMmich..

I've used over 7GB of RAM doing graphics processing and working with large compressed archives. Whether 4GB is enough depends on what applications are run.

borntohunt wrote:Yep, that's a good deal but it does not have Blu Ray and a TV Tuner like this HP HPE-240F deal in case folks want that too. I find lots of good deals at Micro Center who was recently selling the HPE-240F for $900 for many months until they sold out right now in my area just that Gateway PC you mentioned.

Oops I didn't even notice the Blu Ray and tuner. This isn't a bad deal at all.

Will it play Battlefield 3 and Shogun 2?

Buy.Com had this Gateway computer on sale last week for $599.99 with shipping. I tried buying it Tuesday and it was sold out. The next day it was listed again for a short while and I ordered it. It's supposed to be here Tuesday. Seems like a better deal than this HP. I noticed that Buy.com has raised the price back to $797.

"http://www.buy.com/prod/gateway-pt-gay02-006-desktop-computer-phenom-ii-x4-945-3-ghz-8-gb-ram/q/loc/101/217059104.html"

thabstack wrote:Will it play Battlefield 3 and Shogun 2?

nope

gobaers wrote:It says that the Radeon 5770 has HDMI and DisplayPort 'capabilities.' Probably means that it's a DisplayPort with included dongle?

As for gaming performance, this will run last years games under medium or low settings, but it won't knock anyone's socks off.

I dont know what 'it' is referring to but this computer does not come with a 5770 card, but a 5570

How long will the Moofi 20" Samsung be available?

I really need a new monitor and that one looks pretty nice.

Thanks

My god, the layout on the inside of that case is terrible. No wonder HP PCs have a reputation for super short lifespans, the thing's practically intentionally designed to overheat. Instead of a real CPU cooler, you have a heatsink with a $5 case fan strapped on top, BELOW the video card, which is nestled in wires and a TV tuner directly above it, and then above THAT, the PSU. There's no breathing room in there for anything. It's like a deathtrap of computer components. I'd be worried about this thing burning your house down if you had it running while sitting on carpet.

zmh0312 wrote:So this intel i5 faster than amd six core process?

No, the i5 is a dual core hyperthread processor which means it only has 2 physical cores just each core has 2 threads which work not quite as well but similar to a 4 core processor. If you are using applications that only require 2 cores then an amd six core processor with 3.2 ghz or slower speed will be worse then the i5 on this computer otherwise the amd six core will be better