allhighruler wrote:And another thing, 102.0 USb slots, god, keep up with the times man 3.0 all the way! WOOT!

Unfortunately, USB 3.0 is already obsolete. Intel's Light Peak also known as Thunderbolt technology is now available and it absolutely outclasses USB 3.0 in every way possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightpeak

allhighruler wrote:I mean 2.7 is pretty good, but you must remeber, if you are going to invest money into something, you want it to be able to work well with future tech (such as Battlefield 3). My computer has a is a 3.33. THATS even a little low. IN CONCLUSION, THIS COMPUTER WILL BE GREAT for the casual gamer. With a little improvement, even better.

I think I might have a PC from 2005 that has a 3.0 GHz processor. I can sell it to you for 400 if you are interested. (/saracm)

The clock speed by itself is pretty meaningless

curtisuxor wrote:Except when you need tech support/customer service. Real nightmare to deal with them.

Don't know a company other than perhaps Apple and Microsoft that are actually decent at Tech Support over the phone. I tell my customers, calling a company for tech support over the phone is almost like your car dying on the freeway, pulling over, popping the hood open and calling your mechanic to walk you through the steps to fix it over the phone... don't expect to get very far.

That being said, I have always liked Asus as a great bang for the buck brand.

-GG

just LOL'ed...the woot top page banner ad for me came up for 5770 graphics cards at NewEgg just now heheh.

For a decent 5450 system at $485 shipped:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229250

Lowest price at Newegg on a 5770 system $735 shipped?:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227274
note the 700watt power supply used in that one :-)

I bought a cheap dell "gaming pc" last year and it had the Radeon 5450 in it. I was getting about 30 fps tops with low settings in WoW. I've since upgraded the entire system.

Basically, save yourself the trouble and build your own pc from newegg or somewhere. The 5450 will ruin any amount of gaming unless you plan on playing Spider Solitaire.

My four-year-old 64-bit Asus-based machine has been very reliable with good performance. Biggest problem has been that sometimes software gets released that runs on Intel only!

USB 2.0 High speed...NOT!

High speed - USB 3.0 and eSata

Ok, here are some Benchmarks for Crysis and World of Conflict: SA running on this system's graphics card Here are for Left 4 Dead and Tom Clancy's Hawk.

Their test system is using an i7 processor that ranks very close in passmark rating (mid 5500's) to this systems AMD so this would be very close to what you should expect as a stock system with no graphic card upgrade (basically around 30fps with almost all settings set to low).

-GG

ThyZad wrote:I think I might have a PC from 2005 that has a 3.0 GHz processor. I can sell it to you for 400 if you are interested. (/saracm)

The clock speed by itself is pretty meaningless

Mines a quad core. It was expensive, and I added a graphics card PLUS power supply. Its a Dell 540 running 7. Can't wait for Windows 8!

zyren wrote:lol at "gaming desktop" with a $34 graphics card thats worse than the newest intel integrated GPU in sandy bridge processors.

link to graphics card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121377&cm_re=radeon_5450-_-14-121-377-_-Product

LOL at you - 35.00 grphics card is way better than some BS on board ( with no turn off in the bios) like they have been putting up .

This system is superior to any I have seen them list.
For some one who doesn't build - changing outthe Vid card is small potatoes ( Yes I like in Idaho )

Sure you can build a better gamer - but if you don't build - this is a pretty gnarly answer to your searches.

Not a bad deal for modders and upgraders. Six hundred dollars nets a MB, RAM, CPU, case and installed Win7. Replace the PS and add a GPU and monitor.

TheTexasTwister wrote:Unfortunately, USB 3.0 is already obsolete. Intel's Light Peak also known as Thunderbolt technology is now available and it absolutely outclasses USB 3.0 in every way possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightpeak

USB 2.0 isn't close to obsolete muchless 3.0. They just are not the newest thing. There are far more USB3.0 devices available than Thunderbolt devices and who knows if it will take off (remember Firewire was a lot better than USB, but really never took off as the standard). I don't know about royalties to Intel/Apple, but there are a lot of things that factor into whether or not it will take off or not.

This deal looked fantastic - right up until I saw the processor was AMD and the graphics were ATI. Plus, it only has 8GB of RAM. Sure, you could use this as a gaming system - if all your games are at least 3 years old. I guess it'll run the new stuff, but at what cost?? You won't be pwning any noobs with this machine. Well, at least not until you spend the money to upgrade to and Intel CPU and an Nvidia GPU, then upgrade to 16GB or RAM. Then, maybe then will you be able to pwn noobs.

allhighruler wrote:I mean 2.7 is pretty good, but you must remeber, if you are going to invest money into something, you want it to be able to work well with future tech (such as Battlefield 3). My computer has a is a 3.33. THATS even a little low. IN CONCLUSION, THIS COMPUTER WILL BE GREAT for the casual gamer. With a little improvement, even better.

but you're also forgetting its a 6-core, you're 3.3 is probably on a quad core, not that that is bad. i have quad core processor running at 3.4 and it handles most of my games fine. This a solid gaming computer, just need a better power supply and graphics card like everyone said. and honestly that's a pretty good price.

I'm not a gamer (that's more hubby's arena than mine), buuuut this will do nicely for the casual gaming/backup/media/file/misc machine I've been wanting to get for the last few weeks :o)

usanettom wrote:This deal looked fantastic - right up until I saw the processor was AMD and the graphics were ATI. Plus, it only has 8GB of RAM. Sure, you could use this as a gaming system - if all your games are at least 3 years old. I guess it'll run the new stuff, but at what cost?? You won't be pwning any noobs with this machine. Well, at least not until you spend the money to upgrade to and Intel CPU and an Nvidia GPU, then upgrade to 16GB or RAM. Then, maybe then will you be able to pwn noobs.

Really? Are you going for #1 troll on the planet? AMD processors and video cards are perfectly fine for gaming. Also, 16GB is way overkill. 8GB is way overkill. Even 4GB is usually overkill for gaming. 8GB will satisfy all but the most intense rendering.

@LastApeMan You'd be surprised of the performance of the integrated GPU on Intel's Sandy Bridge platform. Definitely a competitor for the low-end/HTPC market.

LastApeMan wrote:LOL at you - 35.00 grphics card is way better than some BS on board ( with no turn off in the bios) like they have been putting up .

This system is superior to any I have seen them list.
For some one who doesn't build - changing outthe Vid card is small potatoes ( Yes I like in Idaho )

Sure you can build a better gamer - but if you don't build - this is a pretty gnarly answer to your searches.

Let me show you a link with some benchmarks, I think a sandy bridge laptop with a intel integrated video card has more or less the same performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4262/asus-k53e-testing-dualcore-sandy-bridge/4

usanettom wrote:This deal looked fantastic - right up until I saw the processor was AMD and the graphics were ATI. Plus, it only has 8GB of RAM. Sure, you could use this as a gaming system - if all your games are at least 3 years old. I guess it'll run the new stuff, but at what cost?? You won't be pwning any noobs with this machine. Well, at least not until you spend the money to upgrade to and Intel CPU and an Nvidia GPU, then upgrade to 16GB or RAM. Then, maybe then will you be able to pwn noobs.

I normally do not get involved with the forums here on woot. But it is posts like these that outrage me. People who DO not know what they are talking about, by any means of the imagination.


First off, 99.999999% of people will not see if difference between 8GB and 120GB of ram, 4GB is normally enough for most people.

Second, The CPU in this computer is not the best. But is by far above par. And infact if most people care to pay attention to how games work and who programs them. You would know that 95% of games out there don't even use more then 2 cores, of any processor. And would also know that a processor means almost nothing when you are playing a game. Infact, upgrading your HARDDRIVE would show you 5x more performance then bothering with this CPU.

Third, the graphics card is crap. I agree with everyone else. If you want to hardcore game with 60FPS+ you will need to upgrade. Also with the PSU atleast 600w if you are getting a decent Graphics card. This is where this computer falls way short. This and the hard drive.

I know several gaming computer I HAVE BUILT with 2x cores, that will game just as hard as a computer with 200 cores. It simply does not matter. Unless you plan on running 20 programs in the background. Then I would suggest a "MULTI" core CPU.


This is my two cents. Bye.

@EBOBO - Thank you.

Agree that this rig needs at LEAST a 5770 (such a good card for the price)
Metro 2033 seems to be the new 'Crysis' in terms of 'yeah, but can it run ____'?

wow, nice specs. too bad it's a refub. people really that much power nowadays?

usanettom wrote:This deal looked fantastic - right up until I saw the processor was AMD and the graphics were ATI. Plus, it only has 8GB of RAM. Sure, you could use this as a gaming system - if all your games are at least 3 years old. I guess it'll run the new stuff, but at what cost?? You won't be pwning any noobs with this machine. Well, at least not until you spend the money to upgrade to and Intel CPU and an Nvidia GPU, then upgrade to 16GB or RAM. Then, maybe then will you be able to pwn noobs.

Seriously? You don't need 16megs of RAM, and the AMD processor is fine. Just a graphics card will do for most gamers that are happy with mid level performance, a higher end card matched with power supply as others have stated for higher end gaming. If you are all "I need two cards for SLI, and overclocked 2600k, etc" then yeah, look elsewhere.

-GG

wisdomman wrote:I normally do not get involved with the forums here on woot. But it is posts like these that outrage me. People who DO not know what they are talking about, by any means of the imagination.

Exactly my thoughts!

This certain PC is 579.99. I just built a 6 core processor 1090T with 8 GB RAM, and all the other bells and whistles for $1200 off the egg site. This is a very good deal for people looking to score a well rounded deal and maybe adding a couple parts to make it a great machine. Complaining about the integrated graphics card on this machine is a mundane complaint on this machine. It's a great price for nice specs.

I have a system very similar to this one, custom build 6 years ago. It still smokes most systems today. Had to use quad processors though.

usanettom wrote:This deal looked fantastic - right up until I saw the processor was AMD and the graphics were ATI. Plus, it only has 8GB of RAM. Sure, you could use this as a gaming system - if all your games are at least 3 years old. I guess it'll run the new stuff, but at what cost?? You won't be pwning any noobs with this machine. Well, at least not until you spend the money to upgrade to and Intel CPU and an Nvidia GPU, then upgrade to 16GB or RAM. Then, maybe then will you be able to pwn noobs.

You're kidding me. I have 8GB of RAM in my just built gaming rig and it runs every game I've tried on it without a problem. Do you know anything about CPU's? Have you looked at benchmarks against the Intel CPU's? If you're going to try to make an informative post, point people in the direction of the benchmarks of each processor. 16GB of RAM needed? You can't be serious in your assessment. Most older RAM controllers struggle when you put more than 8GB of RAM in them. Get your sources together and your facts straight before you start making such outrageous arguments.

Tiahaar wrote:Just this afternoon (as I was buying a power supply and graphics card from newegg) I was wondering 'when will Woot sell a good gaming PC?' Ha, almost have one here! As others have said, swap in a 5700-5800 series graphics card and a 750watt power supply and this would rock.

I see comments like this, and it annoys me how widespread the misconception is that every gaming rig needs a gigantic PSU.

There's no need for anything above 500w for a single GPU configuration. You could get away (with an upgraded graphics card) with the stock 400w even, if you had to. Yes, it would be cutting it pretty close. Would it be optimal? No, but you'd still have to struggle (short of overclocking) to break the 400w barrier.

Wattage calculators like http://www.enermax.outervision.com/PSUEngine can give you a good idea the kind of power your computer is drawing. Keep in mind that this particular one shows the wattage of your hypothetical system under full load.

Asus Desktops score right up there at the top according to PC World.

PC World 2010 Reliability & Service Nov 28 Survey: Desktops



EDIT: Oops, whatsamattaU posted this on the previous 1st page, but at least embedding the desktop table results comparison image is different.

if i can't play Tie Fighter on it...i don't want it, no matter how many cores or rams or ati's it has.

Here's a recent gaming video demo on the Asus CG1330 Six-Core Gaming Desktop.

Cod4 Domination on Crash on Asus CG1330 on Jan 9, 2011

Product Web Site

would make a great htpc.
GPU will handle 1080p mkv's fine and can run dual monitors(which any htpc should). For gaming not so much, if your gonna hafta replace the psu and gpu might as well build an i7 rig from scratch.
And Nividia does make the best cards for single gpu setups, but the new 69xx series ati cards in crossfire smoke sli. My crossfired 6950's smoke a 580 and were only $30 more, and depending on the benchmark can beat 580's in sli.

more on power requirements for the Sapphire 5770 :
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&psn=000101&pid=355
"PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard.
500 Watt Power Supply is required.
600 Watt Power Supply is recommended for CrossFireX™ System."

so yeah, really its a stretch putting one in this woot without upgrading...you'll just burn something up. A 5670 would be OK.

We apologize for the issues you are experiencing with this graphics card. While you should have no problems using this card to play most online games and 3d games 4 years old and older, this video card is not meant for hardcore gaming and should not be marketed as such. Please contact us at http://vip.asus.com/eservice/techserv.aspx if you're having any issues getting the card not performing up to its' specified performance so that we can help you resolve them.

Best Regards,

ASUS Support Team

TheTexasTwister wrote:Unfortunately, USB 3.0 is already obsolete. Intel's Light Peak also known as Thunderbolt technology is now available and it absolutely outclasses USB 3.0 in every way possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightpeak

Thunderbolt... I thought that was that new Verizon cell phone some of my staff are going nuts about!? ;-)

allhighruler wrote:Ratings for users: *-*****
Hard-Core games (like BF2 or Crysis)- ***
Graphic games: **
Surfing the internet: ***
Games over the web (Runescape):*****
Movies:***
The graphics card on the is junk. The processor will be good for the average gamer.
1 tb hard drive means planty of space.
Asus is a good brand.
no 3.0 usb ports, but 10 2.0 usb ports.
Power supply is weak.
Buy this computer ONLY if you are willing to invest at least another $200 into it.

there's not a chance in hell this thing runs Battlefield 2 bad company at any decent framerate. i'd say its a decent deal if the power supply can handle a 5770 or higher. even that is turning into a low end card.

borkmister wrote:I see comments like this, and it annoys me how widespread the misconception is that every gaming rig needs a gigantic PSU.

There's no need for anything above 500w for a single GPU configuration. You could get away (with an upgraded graphics card) with the stock 400w even, if you had to. Yes, it would be cutting it pretty close. Would it be optimal? No, but you'd still have to struggle (short of overclocking) to break the 400w barrier.

Wattage calculators like http://www.enermax.outervision.com/PSUEngine can give you a good idea the kind of power your computer is drawing. Keep in mind that this particular one shows the wattage of your hypothetical system under full load.

Depends on how high end you want to go on the graphics card and how the power is distributed on the PSU.

Something like the Nvidia GTX580 you'll need to upgrade to 600w since the card will use up to 20Amps on the 12 volt rail. Most 400W psu's only provide 20-25 Amps total to the 12 volt rail. Some may provide even less. I have a 350W that supplies 18Amps to the 12V rail, and a 400 that only supplies 17A, so they can vary greatly depending on make and model. I can't find the Amperage distribution breakdown on the power supply with this Asus.

On another note, not sure those larger cards will fit in this case anyway, they are about 10-11" long.

-GG

cbashaar wrote:"Gaming PC" is really not a fair term. What games are you trying to run?

Theres a huge difference between Crysis and Minecraft


If you are running high-resolution stuff like on a 46 inch TV, then you need to change out the video card for sure.

If you are on a 15 inch CRT then this is perfect for you.

whats a good setup for crysis or crysis2? is it cheaper to by a pre-built or build self? thank you

I own one of these systems, and I'm writing this on it. When I bought it the price was $900 from Best Buy which for a six core was impressive.

I will say the first thing I did with it was swap the video card. Although my model came with a good one I had a ATI 5770 that I had just recently purchased. It's a gaming beast for me.

My only complaints with it are that its a dated six core by AMD's standards now. The fan likes to spin up and down randomly and is pretty loud when it does it. It's a heavy machine that even equals in weight my old PC with the Antec 900 case (and trust me that weighed a ton on its own).

But you cant beat all the USB ports. The expandability with open PCI and drive slots. I've owned and used many Asus products so Im happy with it.

For this price its a nice future proofed computer. AMD six cores may be 20% slower then Intels hexcores. But they are also only 20% of the cost.

allhighruler wrote:I mean 2.7 is pretty good, but you must remeber, if you are going to invest money into something, you want it to be able to work well with future tech (such as Battlefield 3). My computer has a is a 3.33. THATS even a little low. IN CONCLUSION, THIS COMPUTER WILL BE GREAT for the casual gamer. With a little improvement, even better.

Ummm, my current home built rig is a PhenomII x4 955BE @3.4GHz. With a single GTX 460 I was getting 60+fps in aion( mem hog), cod:blops, and breach.
Yes, the graphics card is a bit low, but it's easily swapped. The big problem here is that the CPU selected(the 6core amd thubian @ 2.7 Ghz) will require 300w on it's own. (My 955 quad core is 270). That leaves little room for the board and the addon cards, not to mention fans, and a few watts for each USB device plugged it. Don't expect to plug 10 USB devices into this at once, as it would probably overload the PSU, and shut it down. Asus does not make PSU's, so I'm guessing it's an off-branded cheapo PSU.

No HDMI ports?

This wont work with my TV then. How can i stream to my TV ? I dont think Ive got any USB ports on my TV.