sdc100 wrote:That statement is only a valid retort to Consumer Reports if "any other vacuum [you've] ever owned" includes the models they tested. Since I doubt that you've tested that many vacuums, especially in a controlled way like they do, I'll stick with them.

If it provides value over any other vacuum, regardless of cost, it's not a gimmick, whether Consumer Reports tested those models or not. It may not be a distinguishing feature over the models that Consumer Reports tested, but it's certainly not a gimmick, by definition.

I own a DC17 and use it at my martial arts school daily. You can say Dyson is overpriced and there are other vacs that suck just as good for 1/4 the price but here is where the dyson shines. It is built how American cars used to be. Solid construction no flimsy parts, things fit together and work how they are supposed to. The design that went into this thing is amazing it is the only vaccum I have ever owned and used that the tools were actually worth while. Mine was also a refurb off woot about 3-4 years ago and the only thing I have had to do is wash the filter and cut the hair and junk off the beater brush. Bottom line is they work how they are advertised and hold up well.

GTstyle wrote:Hmmm... very tempting...

And in for a red

matt1976 wrote:Is it the DC24 or DC25?

dc24 #6458412

matt1976 wrote:Because the motor sits in the ball, it has a tendency to blow dust, lint and pet hair away from the head.

I've had the opposite experience. The exhaust has more of an upward angle vs. every other vacuum I've owned. Might not be perfect, but it's certainly better than most (at not blowing things away).

pjmccli wrote:dc24 #6458412

This is a DC25 being sold. They're quite a bit more powerful than the DC24s. The DC25s also have bigger dust bins and much studier handles.

I've just never been able to jump on the Dyson bandwagon.

http://www.greatvacs.com/education/KirbyVsDysonVacuumReview.html

Granted, it's not the DC25, but I imagine much remains the same.

Armagedon wrote:Froogled

Best price for this vacuum by a lot (about $200 more everywhere else)

Froogled for refurb Not new.

Ninkumpoop wrote:I've had the opposite experience. The exhaust has more of an upward angle vs. every other vacuum I've owned. Might not be perfect, but it's certainly better than most (at not blowing things away).

Mine is a DC24, maybe they're built different. I've got to sweep up dog hair and ghost turds before I vacuum. Other than that it gets the job done really well.

Like everyone else that has ever bought a Dyson, I was astounded by the amount of stuff it cleaned out of my 'clean' carpet the first time I used it.

If I had a spare $300, I'd trade up to one of these from my DC24 at the drop of a hat.

matt1976 wrote:Mine is a DC24, maybe they're built different. I've got to sweep up dog hair and ghost turds before I vacuum.

What the heck is a "ghost turd"!?!

Armagedon wrote:What the heck is a "ghost turd"!?!

Military term for a lint ball.

matt1976 wrote:Military term for a lint ball.

Haha, you scared me for a second, however the name does make sense.

SinnFein wrote:Been waiting for a good Dyson deal for a while...

Ended up buying an LG LUV200R for less money and it's brand new, has a 5-year warranty like a new Dyson.

I'm impressed so far. It cost me $50 less than this refurb Dyson.

Thank you, I have been on the fence buying a Dyson DC25 for my wife and you just sold me on the LG you mentioned!!!

It seems to be an awesome unit, thanks you again for posting the model no.

rashedav69 wrote:I like things that suck.

YOU JUST COULDN'T RESIST A 'SUCK' COMMENT!!

brucedoesbms wrote:Oh, well, I was close... at least, it still SUCKS...

DITTO ON THE 'SUCK' COMMENT!

I don't have this ball model, but I have a Dyson with a similar canister. I love it, but the key for me is that when I clean it out I don't simply dump it. I take the debris canister and the cyclone part and blow them out thoroughly with a strong compressed air gun. You won't believe how much fine dust remains in the passages. I do it outside and it always makes a good cloud.

I think the very fine dust is attracted to the plastic by static, and blowing it out renews this attraction. I'm pretty sure you can rinse it out with water to the same effect, but it will take a while to dry.

As a result the vaccuum still looks and performs as new after 3 years. If you simply dump the debris, the canister gets very nasty to the point you can't hardly see the contents. Also the final filter on mine remains as new since the very fine particles never get to it.

aprilhiscox wrote:obviously you've never used one of these before...it makes a 90 degree turn effortlessly!!

No I haven't BUT again, no one ever said that the ball mechanism isn't great. The issue is whether it's more maneuverable than a well-designed wheel-based vacuum. If I remember correctly, a Consumer Reports sidebar circa 2009 said that it's effective, but no more maneuverable than some of the best vacuums they tested -- at a much lower price. And some of those vacuums have better overall cleaning.

On December 14, 2007, they managed to use an entire write-up about me to sell 2500 Dysons. Do I have one? No. Do I care? No. I have wood floors.

I still find it funny w00t!

quartermane wrote:2 year warranty for $41
Thirty30 Squaretrade discount

Extend your warranty to 2 years for a total of $40.94. When/if you check out and go for the warranty add another year and use the coupon code "Thirty30" for 30% off, worked @ 00:36 EST.

SquareTrade 1 year coverage $38.99
Additional Year of Coverage $19.50
30% off up to $30 -$17.55
Estimated Tax: $0.00

Total $40.94

The 30% discount only works if it's your first squaretrade warranty.
The 20% discount is TWTYOFF, you can use this anytime.
But you don't have to purchase your warranty anytime. You have 90 days from purchase. They have 30% discounts at least once a month. Just sign up and wait for a notice.
They had several 30% discounts in the past month or so. One for Spring and one for Tax's and one for valentines day. I'm thinking there will be one for Easter and Mother's day too. If it gets too close, then use the 20% code. But for a big purchase like this I'd wait so you can save yourself a few bucks.

They just paid me $89 for an Ice Maker I bought on woot last October, and replaced a video card that went out on my HP i7 I bought just over a year ago, and paid me $999.99 for my 2.5 year old LCD TV that died, $799 for an Intel quad core the mobo went out on, and $179.99 for a 21" Monitor. I have warranties on most of my electronics with squaretrade, they have saved me thousands of dollars.
And with these Chinese electronics, you have to have extended warranties, or lost a lot of money.

I have a Dyson DC 17 I bought on woot, refurbished. It's the best vacuum I've owned, except maybe the Rainbow I owned 30 years ago.
But it cost $700 back then, which would have been like $2000 now. I had to finance it. They still make them. I think they're still a fortune. Rainbow
But it did everything. Shampooed carpets, cleaned the air. Had a paint gun attachment. It used a water filtration system. No filters, it pulled the dirt through the bottom which was full of water. When you were done you emptied the bottom, which was a bucket of mud. Plus you knew the dust wasn't going back into the air, because the dirt went through the water first.
Was an excellent vacuum, but if you think Dyson is expensive..Rainbow is a fortune.
And they won't quote you a price until you got an in home demonstration. I know, because I was a Rainbow salesmen when I got out of the service

I spent six hundred dollars on a Dyson that was new. It was the worst vacuum that I have ever had. Didn't pick up half of what my old hundred dollar vacuum did. I returned it the same week.

when will Dyson invent a vacuum cleaner that is fully automated??? >

Until then, I'll have to use the red one

TheEndless wrote:If it provides value over any other vacuum, regardless of cost, it's not a gimmick, whether Consumer Reports tested those models or not. It may not be a distinguishing feature over the models that Consumer Reports tested, but it's certainly not a gimmick, by definition.

I don't understand your first sentence. How can you compute "value over any other vacuum," "regardless of cost"? When you consider the value of something over something else, you don't incorporate cost into the equation? Isn't value, by definition, a function of worth and cost? Perhaps you have unlimited funds but most of us don't live a "regardless of cost" lifestyle.

ONe of the main functions of Consumer Reports is the ability to differentiate good values ("Best Buy") from overpriced items. And in its opinion, it's a gimmick because it's not necessary to ensure maneuverability. They said that some of the better designed wheel-based models were just as maneuverable -- with better overall performances and lower prices. And that's the definition of value, in my book.

asharkwithlegs wrote:I spent six hundred dollars on a Dyson that was new. It was the worst vacuum that I have ever had. Didn't pick up half of what my old hundred dollar vacuum did. I returned it the same week.

did you make sure that it was plugged in? I made that same mistake with a TV I bought once back in 1952

sdc100 wrote:I don't understand your first sentence. How can you compute "value over any other vacuum," "regardless of cost"? When you consider the value of something over something else, you don't incorporate cost into the equation? Isn't value, by definition, a function of worth and cost? Perhaps you have unlimited funds but most of us don't live a "regardless of cost" lifestyle.

ONe of the main functions of Consumer Reports is the ability to differentiate good values ("Best Buy") from overpriced items. And in its opinion, it's a gimmick because it's not necessary to ensure maneuverability. They said that some of the better designed wheel-based models were just as maneuverable -- with better overall performances and lower prices. And that's the definition of value, in my book.

I've had 2 Jeep Cherokees. One was still running strong when I retired it. It had over 300k miles on it when I sold it. In the 300k miles, it only ever needed a few batteries, an exhaust manifold, a water pump and a couple of sensors.

My second Cherokee has over 200k miles on it and it runs like it did on day one. Same story, a couple batteries and an exhaust manifold is all that it has needed.

Consumer Reports consistently gave the Jeep Cherokees low marks. This is because Consumer Reports has their heads up their butts. I put zero faith in anything they publish.

huujedi wrote:just bought this on moofi.woot.com last week... still have not received it yet. hopefully it will arrive soon.

My friend got one on woot the last time it was on... said its the best vaccum he's ever had. He went over a clean rug and couldnt believe how much dirt it picked up!

I bought one lsat week on moofi as well, and mine hasn't even been SHIPPED yet. Come on Amazon/Woot...how about shipping the ones you sold a week ago before you sell more ok?

These always sell out fast. If you're thinking about buying one, get it while it's still up! Got 3 myself!

I own a DC14 since 2007 and I LOVE my Dyson. I haven't had a single problem with it, and it pulls up so much from my carpets. With 2 cats and my allergies, the way this thing cleans floors and filters the air is a godsend. I've knocked it over many times, even down a couple of stairs (well, it IS heavy and not good for cleaning stairs), and still, not a single problem with it. Almost no maintenance. I use it several times a week.

If you're an allergy sufferer or have pets, Dyson is the way to go!

rantisdel wrote:I own a DC17 and use it at my martial arts school daily. You can say Dyson is overpriced and there are other vacs that suck just as good for 1/4 the price but here is where the dyson shines. It is built how American cars used to be. Solid construction no flimsy parts, things fit together and work how they are supposed to. The design that went into this thing is amazing it is the only vaccum I have ever owned and used that the tools were actually worth while. Mine was also a refurb off woot about 3-4 years ago and the only thing I have had to do is wash the filter and cut the hair and junk off the beater brush. Bottom line is they work how they are advertised and hold up well.

Dysons are plastic through and through. They aren't built well, it's about 3 screws and a bunch of clips. The ball design may be good on bare floor, but for carpet there is 0 head weight and the brushes are spaced far apart. You can get a $50 dirt devil that will do a better cleaning job

I own a refurbished Dyson. I will NEVER own another, refurbed or otherwise. Setting aside the fact that my refurb came damaged (distorted wand), they are not as useful as they are advertised, thanks to design STUPIDITIES. Dyson has been trying SO HARD to invent something 'new' that he often leaves usability on the cutting-room floor.

Prime example: those awful accordion hoses! Have you ever tried to use one? It PULLS at you constantly, makes it difficult to work at angles to the hose, and in many cases will actually pull the vacuum toward you. It's similar to the annoyance of trying to shave with an electric razor that has a coiled cord: have to manage the pull of the cord with one hand whilst trying to shave with the other! Trying to use such a Dyson to vacuum STAIRS will have you running for the aspirin bottle.

Dyson is a genius, all right, but he's lost sight of what the real goal should be. If one is spending hundreds of dollars/euros/francs for a vacuum, one has a right to expect a vacuum so usable that it's almost fun... but using Dyson vacuums is anything but fun.

bambrose wrote:Someone here put me onto a better deal some time ago when a Dyson was up for grabs on Woot. He/she said that the Eureka AS1000a, only available at Walmart (don't ask me why), runs circles around a Dyson and only costs about $100. Well, I got one and its unbelievably good. Claims to be more powerful than a Dyson at 1/3 the cost. I was ashamed at what the Eureka (Airstream) got out of my rugs. Go to Walmart.com and check out the reviews - you won't be sorry. Some Walmart stores have it in stock but you can also order it online to be delivered to your store to be picked up. Oh, and thanks to the person who gave me the tip!

I fell for Consumer Report's recommendation of a Eureka Boss vacuum about 5 years ago, — noisiest vacuum I ever heard. I gave it away due to the pain it caused me, also it sucked so hard that is was almost unusable especially on small area rugs. I have 2 Dysons and they are quite good, I think the old Riccar canister is the best overall vacuum I have ever had.

I own one of these that I bought new after ages owning a trusty Royal vacuum (all metal, no frills) that looked like it came out of the 1800's.

I was so excited and then had to admit that the marketing was just that--marketing.

It doesn't lose suction? Bull. It loses suction all the time and continually needs its filters cleaned.

Yeah, the ball makes it easy to move about but that's the only redeeming feature I've found.

The extensible arm design? I end up dragging the entire unit behind me awkwardly all the time as it's too light to just sit there while I reach for some spot.

It also feels incredibly flimsy.

There's little doubt people can do a lot better than this for the money. I've now also tried other units that others own and they're no different.

Thus, it's my view that anyone that claims this is a superior vacuum cleaner either has never actually owned anything remotely decent or simply is refusing to admit they made a bad purchase.

Armagedon wrote:Here's an excerpt from another article:
"The ball was a genius innovation makes cornering work a breeze; it makes Dyson ball able to vacuum everywhere in the apartment without having to move lots of things around. This vacuum also equipped with low-reach floor tool that attaches to the wand to clean hard to reach places such as under beds and sofas."

Here is a website with a lot of reviews praising the ball's maneuverability.

There is plenty of information out there that, to me, shows that the ball is not just purely a gimmick (Although, it certainly adds something unique to Dyson).

Edit: Fixed the first link

none of those explain why or claim that a ball is better or more maneuverable than any traditional well-designed vacuum.

bambrose wrote:Someone here put me onto a better deal some time ago when a Dyson was up for grabs on Woot. He/she said that the Eureka AS1000a, only available at Walmart (don't ask me why), runs circles around a Dyson and only costs about $100. Well, I got one and its unbelievably good. Claims to be more powerful than a Dyson at 1/3 the cost. I was ashamed at what the Eureka (Airstream) got out of my rugs. Go to Walmart.com and check out the reviews - you won't be sorry. Some Walmart stores have it in stock but you can also order it online to be delivered to your store to be picked up. Oh, and thanks to the person who gave me the tip!

The Eureka sounds great, and it may SUCK just as well as the Dyson, but you CANNOT BEAT THE BALL for maneuverability !

bambrose wrote:Someone here put me onto a better deal some time ago when a Dyson was up for grabs on Woot. He/she said that the Eureka AS1000a, only available at Walmart (don't ask me why), runs circles around a Dyson and only costs about $100. Well, I got one and its unbelievably good. Claims to be more powerful than a Dyson at 1/3 the cost. I was ashamed at what the Eureka (Airstream) got out of my rugs. Go to Walmart.com and check out the reviews - you won't be sorry. Some Walmart stores have it in stock but you can also order it online to be delivered to your store to be picked up. Oh, and thanks to the person who gave me the tip!

CAN get at Amazon btw.

KamikazeKen wrote:none of those explain why or claim that a ball is better or more maneuverable than any traditional well-designed vacuum.

Traditional vacuums move backwards and forwards only. Dyson patented the 'Ball' technology and is the only one currently that can turn on a dime. I use one on my hard wood floors and home and it navigates around tables with ease. My Hoover could never do that...

RichHeimlich wrote:I own one of these that I bought new after ages owning a trusty Royal vacuum (all metal, no frills) that looked like it came out of the 1800's.

I was so excited and then had to admit that the marketing was just that--marketing.

It doesn't lose suction? Bull. It loses suction all the time and continually needs its filters cleaned.

Yeah, the ball makes it easy to move about but that's the only redeeming feature I've found.

The extensible arm design? I end up dragging the entire unit behind me awkwardly all the time as it's too light to just sit there while I reach for some spot.

It also feels incredibly flimsy.

There's little doubt people can do a lot better than this for the money. I've now also tried other units that others own and they're no different.

Thus, it's my view that anyone that claims this is a superior vacuum cleaner either has never actually owned anything remotely decent or simply is refusing to admit they made a bad purchase.

The Dyson are made of ABS plastic, the same material they make football and crash test helmets with. Are you sure you aren't mistaking flimsy with 'light'? For fun, when I am at the mall I tested at least 10 brands of vacs, and Dyson was the most solid and well built of any of them. I call most of those other vacs 'disposable', because after 12-18 months you are going out to buy a new one when the suction goes bad. I'd rather spend a little more on a Dyson, have no maintenance costs (no bags/belts/filters to replace), and have a quality product that will not lose suction. I have both a DC07 and DC25, and other than rinsing the filters every few months and emptying the canister bin, I have had no maintenance or issues. I love my Dysons.

sdc100 wrote:No I haven't BUT again, no one ever said that the ball mechanism isn't great. The issue is whether it's more maneuverable than a well-designed wheel-based vacuum. If I remember correctly, a Consumer Reports sidebar circa 2009 said that it's effective, but no more maneuverable than some of the best vacuums they tested -- at a much lower price. And some of those vacuums have better overall cleaning.

IF you used both, you would see the difference for yourself in a second. There is no comparison between maneuverability with the ball vs. a "traditional" vacuum. The ball glides and turns like butter.

I bought one of these on Woot a few years ago. It works well. A small plastic clip broke on the outside canister, I called Dyson and they sent me a new one within a week. Great customer service.

Got a refurbished from woot 2 years ago. Looked like new and works terrific still. Highly recommend this vacuum. I would not worry about the short warranty. But stay away from Roombas' My battery went caput after 6 months.

I'm sorry but this is the WORST vacuum I have EVER used to get up pet hair. I run a petsitting business and have used a lot of different vacuums. This one is AWEFUL!