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singingserpent


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uprisingbbc wrote:HERE'S THE PROBLEM:

Kindles are notoriously easy to break. That's why there are so many refurbs on the market.

Know what this DOES NOT come with????!

A warranty!

So if you barely drop it, apply too much pressure, sit on it, spill something on it, buy a cover that does not fit it snugly or anything else . . . IT WILL BREAK.

And when it does, there's NO TURNING BACK. Because you bought one without a warranty!

(compare this to buying one from Amazon where you report it broken anytime in the first year and they immediately ship you a new one)

Just saying . . .



I think it has a one year Amazon warranty.

jazzstep


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TehCaspia wrote:Thank you for saying this. I'm sick of all the "It has 3G for free what an amazing deal" posts when in reality the only benefit it has is purchasing books without a wifi nearby...a nice feature, but not a life changing feature.



Just FYI, this Kindle does actually have a web browser on it that supports basic sites. If you're in a pinch and need to see something on the net, this will do it. Free web surfing is pretty cool.

Paul Rosas

singingserpent


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I have a Sony Pocket Reader that I love, but my screen is one of the defective ones that doesn't work in bright sunlight. I am picking this up to read outside with and keep bedside, and the Sony Pocket can live in my purse since it is so much smaller. I used to be anti-ebook, but now I can't imagine NOT having so many books at the touch of a button.

nadh


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Is there an ample selection of LARGE print books available for the Kindle?

grahamsz


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nadh wrote:Is there an ample selection of LARGE print books available for the Kindle?



You can change the text size of any kindle book (though it doesn't work well for pdfs)

sjsturtz


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"Maybe I'll get this to replace my broken 3rd gen kindle. Got broken just sitting in my padded bag."

Contact Kindle. If you return your broken Kindle to them (they paid for shipping!) they might offer you a replacement of exactly the one that broke or upgrade it if that's feasible. I just dropped my Gen 2 on its little head and ended up with a Gen 3 for the same price as this Woot. Pays to talk with them...

lacotomo


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I am debating on this. I have the Kindle app on my Epic, but it is not eink. I like my phone because it is backlit and I read in the dark at night while after the better half goes to sleep. 3G and WiFi downloads of books on the phone.

The techy nerd in me says everyone has a ereader, so should you. The sensible, cool guy says my smartphone is an ereader, so why by one that doesn't fit in my pocket anyway?


Someone tell me why I should buy this...

canuk


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This is a great device! I sold my US-only wireless one and bought a Kindle 3, but I like the solid feel of this one with the buttons and the aluminum (I think) back.

I kind of want to buy one because this is such a great device.

I read almost all of my books on Kindle now, the ones I don't are because I find books in the used bookstore that are too good to pass up, however, I kind of begrudgingly read paper books, wishing for my Kindle. If the price difference is a couple bucks, I'll buy it on kindle rather than used because it's so nice to read on Kindle.

Also, the fact that it syncs the last place read, I can read on my Kindle, then if I'm out and about and have a couple minutes, I can pull it up on my iphone and get a couple pages in.

ralphnjoann


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I find that with things like "Special Offers," I don't save more, I spend more.

dougrob2000


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would like to know if there is a warranty on the device, and who administers the warranty.

sroel908


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dougrob2000 wrote:would like to know if there is a warranty on the device, and who administers the warranty.



The listing on the main page says it's a 1-year Amazon warranty.

dougrob2000


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sroel908 wrote:The listing on the main page says it's a 1-year Amazon warranty.



Thank you. I missed that.

kennyminot


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sdc100 wrote:You can't integrate an eInk screen with resistive or capacitive sensors so a touch screen is not possible (yet?). You can, however, use stylus technology. My Entourage Edge, for example, uses Wacom hardware on the Eink screen. The great thing about using a stylus is that I can rest on hand on the screen while writing just like I would with real paper.



I want to offer a little more information about touchscreens and e-readers. While it is certainly possible to integrate them into e-ink devices, companies have largely not gone this route for three reasons. First, most touchscreen technology adds a surface layer on top of the display, which generates more glare in sunlight (which, as most people on this thread have admitted, is one of the main advantages of an e-reader over a standard LCD tablet; you can easily read them outside on a bright summer day). Second, touchscreens are somewhat more expensive. Lastly, touchscreens only add limited functionality to this kind of device. While a tablet benefits from multitouch gestures and other such features, most people will only be reading books on a Kindle. You can usually get by just fine with a pair of forward and back buttons (although, admittedly, this does not reproduce the feeling of reading a book).

The only real e-ink competitor with a touchscreen is the Sony Reader Touch Edition. It uses a special technology (called zforce) that works through infrared sensors and therefore doesn't produce any glare. I've gotten a chance to play around with one, and I'd still go with a Kindle for several reasons. For starters, the Kindle grants you access to Amazon's vastly superior e-book library. In addition, this Woot Deal is almost 1/3 the price of a Sony Touch Edition. Finally, the Touch Edition doesn't have wireless, so you'd have to download your books to your computer and then transfer them to your e-reader. In contrast, the 3G access on the Kindle would let you download books while you're on the beach. As long as you have cellular access, you should be able to easily download books.

To top it all off, I just wasn't impressed by the touchscreen on the Sony Reader. Maybe I'm spoiled by the recent crop of tablets, but it seemed to suffer from e-ink's slow refresh rates. E-ink is good for one thing: reading e-books. If you're looking for it to do something more, you should probably buy a tablet.

Now, if you want to read/annotate pdf files, I think you really should go with a tablet with either an active digitizer (like the new HTC Flyer) or a resistive touchscreen (like the ASUS T91MT). I just bought a Pocket Edge, and I've found the e-ink screen is frustratingly unresponsive. Until they implement a faster technology, I just don't think e-ink is the right route for written input.

I think this is an awesome deal. If my girlfriend wants one, I might buy one when she comes home.

robyn656


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dbcooper wrote:It is coming.



Will the older additions be able to use this or....?

johnseeking


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In for one. Bought it for my wife. Hoping she will let me have my Pocket eDGe back now. Please?

blue_94_trooper


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ralphnjoann wrote:I find that with things like "Special Offers," I don't save more, I spend more.



You're far from alone, that's why the "Special Offer" version of the Kindle is $25 cheaper.

Face it, how many Woots have we bought because they were good deals regardless of whether we actually needed the item in question?

buffaloed


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jalt wrote:Has anyone ever used AIM or IM features on this?

I'd like to use the browser while I'm at the beach or outdoors, and I IM alot.

Any recommendations?



The Kindle 3rd generation works with Google Talk for mobile. That's the only chat I'm aware of that any kindle can use. I don't know if the Kindle 2 browser will even support that. Maybe someone that has one can check.

trunaway


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Amazon Customer Service is truly astonishing. I was given a Kindle (3rd gen) as a gift last summer, and last month someone put a suitcase on top of it in a crowded hotel room -- despite the case, the screen was cracked and I was devastated.

I called customer service when I got home, fully expecting to have to pay for a replacement. Instead, because it was a gift and I'm in Canada, they didn't require any kind of return, they just deregistered the broken device and priority expressed a new one out to me for no charge -- I had it within two days. That's MAGIC when it comes to Canadian customs.

The screen damage fell within the "everyday usage" part of the warranty, so long as I had not been attempting to "Read underwater, nail in hammers with it, or throw it across the room".

I'd heard good things about their customer service before but it was such a relief to experience.

Cultjam


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I have this model. The first one broke just as Apple announced the iPad. Amazon replaced mine overnight. I think they had been a little resistant to being so generous initially with Kindle 2.

I love it. I love not having books piling up needing to be stored somewhere, collecting dust and becoming one of my dogs' chew toy. I love hearing about a great new book and downloading a sample no matter where I am so I can get back to it later. I love not having to keep reading a book if I don't like the sample because I already spent the money. I love that there are enough free books available to keep me reading for my lifetime if I chose too. I LOVE taking it hiking and reading about Teddy Roosevelt's monumental efforts to preserve our landscape, both flora and fauna while I'm outdoors hiking all over Arizona (yesterday I was at a creek just minutes away from Roosevelt Lake). I've had the pumpkin-awful web browser save me from a twenty minute trip home when I forgot to bring directions and my smartphone.

I was considering buying the new one, it would be nice to have a smaller, lighter one to carry my backpack. But I break things so I'll stick with my sturdier version until it breaks.

I got the iPad, then got the iPad2 and it's infinitely more entertaining. But for book reading, I will always have a Kindle or something like it.

raelalt


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lacotomo wrote:The sensible, cool guy says my smartphone is an ereader, so why by one that doesn't fit in my pocket anyway?

Someone tell me why I should buy this...



Larger screen, so you have more on one page. But the push for me is that I can read the kindle in full daylight. So I am not restricted to having to find shade to be able to read as I would with a backlit device.

Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
BadDay

*** 6/1/2007 Bollocks Of Cthulthu ***
Nyah, nyah, na-yah, nyah!

zanybabe


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I bought the new one on Woot last year for almost double. Ah well!
After comparing this 2nd gen to the 3rd gen I would opt for the 3rd gen. For some reason I find the contrast too low on this version and find it frustrating to read as it bothers my eyes after a while. Although it seems many others don't seem to have this problem so YMMV. The 3rd gen is a big improvement of 50% contrast ratio, especially if you get the graphite version.

Since I bought my 2nd gen Kindle from Woot Amazon refused to do a refund, and only replaced it with a refurbished one after first 30 days had gone by since I had a slight problem with a funny white spot on the screen. This was very confusing as Woot had already been acquired by Amazon on the day they had the Kindle deal, but for all customer service purposes Amazon still regarded them as a separate seller. Woot would ask me to call Amazon and Amazon asked me to call Woot. Anyway, hope they have resolved this issue by now.

By the way, there has been talk of a new color Kindle too, so there may be something on the way.

tscottme


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phil20986 wrote:Is there any way to make a 3G kindle a hotspot in a crunch? I get that the browser is 'experimental' and not fantastic for everyday internet surfing, but it would be a nice incentive.



No, not possible.

ian0


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You can NOT download books on PetroComm or other offshore networks in the Gulf of Mexico, even with the global wireless.

cliffpeterson


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Shalamar wrote:I am a big Sci-Fi and Fantasy fan, so most of my book reading comes from BAEN.COM. They have an impressive array of books, and a great deal of free ones as well. Well worth it if you like Sci-Fi and Fantasy.



Me as well - love the SciFi. Also go to webscription.net, find the "free library" under categories, awesome! Lots of great, current SciFi, for free!

tscottme


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brendaa wrote:Does anyone who has this Kindle use the speak out loud function to read? I'd like to know if it reads a page and then seamlessly moves on to the next page or do you have to push a button to get to the next page. And if you have to push a button, do you then have to push another button to make it continue reading? I'm considering this for my blind daughter who will be doing all her reading with the speach function. Thanks.



Text-to-speech is the best speaking voice of any of the free systems I've tried. You can copy text from the web to a text file, via PC and USB, and then have Kindle read it to you. Yes, the Kindle will read continuously without further user input. The Kindle will automatically turn pages as it read. You have choice of man or woman reading and 2 or 3 speeds. Of course, like most text-to-speech it misses proper names and city names but not as bad as most of the free voice readers I've tried. I'v only experimented with TTS as alternative to podcasts and audiobooks in my vehicle. I suspect you will quickly accomodate to any quirks if you use it alot or ar already a hardcore text-to-speech user.

It does drain battery about as quickly as leaving wireless on so get a cheap micro-USN car or home charger. Just Google charger for a cellphone with micro-USB.

tscottme


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alex1818 wrote:Does it have Wi-Fi (in addition to 3G)?



No. book delivery and web surfing is via 3G cellphone network (Sprint I think). However you can also connect it to PC via USB.

jsmiyasaki


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kennyminot wrote:I want to offer a little more information about touchscreens and e-readers. While it is certainly possible to integrate them into e-ink devices, companies have largely not gone this route for three reasons. First, most touchscreen technology adds a surface layer on top of the display, which generates more glare in sunlight (which, as most people on this thread have admitted, is one of the main advantages of an e-reader over a standard LCD tablet; you can easily read them outside on a bright summer day). Second, touchscreens are somewhat more expensive. Lastly, touchscreens only add limited functionality to this kind of device. While a tablet benefits from multitouch gestures and other such features, most people will only be reading books on a Kindle. You can usually get by just fine with a pair of forward and back buttons (although, admittedly, this does not reproduce the feeling of reading a book).

The only real e-ink competitor with a touchscreen is the Sony Reader Touch Edition. It uses a special technology (called zforce) that works through infrared sensors and therefore doesn't produce any glare. I've gotten a chance to play around with one, and I'd still go with a Kindle for several reasons. For starters, the Kindle grants you access to Amazon's vastly superior e-book library. In addition, this Woot Deal is almost 1/3 the price of a Sony Touch Edition. Finally, the Touch Edition doesn't have wireless, so you'd have to download your books to your computer and then transfer them to your e-reader. In contrast, the 3G access on the Kindle would let you download books while you're on the beach. As long as you have cellular access, you should be able to easily download books.

To top it all off, I just wasn't impressed by the touchscreen on the Sony Reader. Maybe I'm spoiled by the recent crop of tablets, but it seemed to suffer from e-ink's slow refresh rates. E-ink is good for one thing: reading e-books. If you're looking for it to do something more, you should probably buy a tablet.

Now, if you want to read/annotate pdf files, I think you really should go with a tablet with either an active digitizer (like the new HTC Flyer) or a resistive touchscreen (like the ASUS T91MT). I just bought a Pocket Edge, and I've found the e-ink screen is frustratingly unresponsive. Until they implement a faster technology, I just don't think e-ink is the right route for written input.

I think this is an awesome deal. If my girlfriend wants one, I might buy one when she comes home.



Thanks for the great info! So... question. What's the difference between Kindle gen2 and gen3?

mesostinky


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Sweet. In for one. The 1year Amazon warranty is was did it for me. Otherwise it would have been no-go. My mother in-law loves hers but is on her 3rd 2nd gen Kindle. She is happy to say support has been excellent and has fully replaced her Kindle each time it broke.

Question:

Anyone know about the browser in the 2nd gen one? Was it ever updated? I've seen the 3rd gen one in action and it's fantastic. But the 2nd gen one when I saw it really sucked bad. So has it been upgraded at all?

ebuyer2eseller


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Well, if you live in WA state thanks to AMAZON we now get to pay an extra ~10% in taxes. Thanks but no thanks Amazon... you are ruining WOOT for me.

tscottme


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nadh wrote:Is there an ample selection of LARGE print books available for the Kindle?



On Kindle you can increase/decrease text size at will. I think you can sjrink it 2-3 sizes from default and increase it 4-6 sizes from default. It remembers your last setting. any book on the Kindle is a large or small print book, your choice.

svzafarse


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mkentosh wrote:Bought my wife a Kindle for Christmas, she loves all the free books you can download. Most of them are garbage, but free is free.



I have this gen Kindle. Absolutely nothing wrong. Great buy if you read. As for books , almost all the classics are under $2. Complete works of M Twain. $1.99 and he wrote a lot

cathianderson


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buffaloed wrote:It automatically keeps advancing from page to page until you stop it. You can choose between a male or female voice. The voice is mechanical. You can find several demos of the text to speech feature on youtube. Some authors are opting out of allowing their books to be enabled for text to speech to protect their audiobook sales. I haven't found this to be the case with many books. Text to speech works with free books that are available from many sources even if they have to be converted to a kindle supported format. I haven't tried it with pdf, but doubt it will work with that file type.

The kindle will also play audiobooks and it is supported by Audible.com. They're more pleasant to listen to than text to speech.



Good to know. My son is dyslexic and this could be a great aid for him.

klittr


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rridgebacks wrote:This is a great price for the 3G model, even if only 2nd gen. This is the model I bought my mom for her 89th birthday in December, and I never, ever could have made a better choice. She's in BF Arkansas, where a wi-fi connection at her home would be cost-prohibitive, not to mention extremely sloooooow.

Anything remotely even looking like it requires any tech-savvy at all scares her off, but when she got this we had already loaded a book she wanted, turned it on and handed it to her, and she was instantly in love. Every time we talk, she lets me know what she's reading, and how much she's enjoying it. The only thing I really needed to do was set her up with an e-mail address on my account, and we are finding it's easier to look for free books on the computer and then have them sent to her Kindle. Works well for her, and it gives me another reason to spend a little more time with her on the phone. She's 89, I'll take any little bits I can get!!! LOL

Yay, Woot, good choice!



kspr11


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musikmom wrote:The description says..."Charge Time: Fully charges in approximately 4 hours via the included U.S. power adapter. Also supports charging from your computer via the included USB 2.0 cable"...but then where it says what is included, it only mentions the usb cable. So which is it?




Too many posts to page through to see if someone answered you. The plug at the end of the power cable comes off to reveal the usb. You get the US power adaptor and usb in one piece.

klittr


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klittr wrote:



I wish my Mom was still alive...she would have loved it! She passed away in 2009 at the age of 89.

Good choice for a gift for your 89 year old mom!

journeywoman


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magicwiser wrote:the special offers refers to ads. while your reading ads will pop up for different companies which, to me, is the opposite of what I want while reading.



Think again.

Special offers and sponsored screensavers display on the Kindle screensaver and on the bottom of the home screen—they don't interrupt reading.

kennyminot


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jsmiyasaki wrote:Thanks for the great info! So... question. What's the difference between Kindle gen2 and gen3?



Thanks!

If you look earlier in the thread, people will give you a complete breakdown. The short answer: the 3rd gen is faster, lighter, and has a better screen.

However, before you let your lust for the latest and greatest gadgets influence your decision, just keep this in mind. While you can get the newest Kindle for $114, the cheapest version of the device only comes with wireless and also features advertisements on the homescreen. The real comparison is with the 3G version of the new Kindle, which costs a whopping $189 (a full $100 more than this Woot deal). Personally, I'd go with a somewhat less impressive screen for lifetime 3G access. I place a high value on convenience -- for me, the main reason to get an e-ink reader is because you can read in the sunlight, so I want to be able to download books while I'm outside and not have to worry about finding a wireless hub. I find wireless access is still pretty spotty outside of coffee shops.

The main advantage of the new Kindle is that it looks sexy. The old one kind of looks like an oversized iPod. I just don't feel the improved appearance and somewhat better screen are worth $100. It might be worth $30, if you're fine with just wireless access and don't care about having money-grubbing companies bombard you with "deals" whenever you turn on your Kindle. I would say it is definitely not worth $50 for the wireless-only version. In my opinion, if you're in the market for a Kindle, this is a great deal that you shouldn't pass up.

raelalt


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jsmiyasaki wrote:Thanks for the great info! So... question. What's the difference between Kindle gen2 and gen3?



The functional difference is that gen3 has wifi.

Ever had one of those days where you just felt like:
BadDay

*** 6/1/2007 Bollocks Of Cthulthu ***
Nyah, nyah, na-yah, nyah!

apbarry


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Somebody needs to talk me into, or out of, this!

The feature I find most intriguing is the 3G ability, because I don't have a smart phone, and live in an area where WiFi hotspots are miles apart. It would be nice to be able to check the web for a fact whenever I wanted. (We do have coverage; I checked.)

I also like the idea of being able to carry docs for reference, e.g., last month's meeting minutes to this month's meeting. I can already do that on a bigger device (see below), though.

On the other hand, I already have the Sony Pocket Edition (Woot!), an Aluratek Libre, and Kindle apps on my iPod Touch, Asus netbook & gTablet (Woot! Woot!), and of course my PC. I actually read Kindle books most on the Touch, because that's what I carry in my pocketbook.

So ... do I need this? (The 3rd gen version, because it lacks the 3G connection, is not in the running.)

journeywoman


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herrtodd wrote:For $20 more get yourself the add-supported third gen. The size is great, the free 3G web browser is handy in a pinch, and you get WiFi which then allows you to use Instapaper for free to save webpages for reading later.

I'm honestly surprised that woot's offering such a crappy deal -- especially when the product comes from the mothership.



No 3G on the ad supported version.