These are not IBM Thinkpads. These are Lenovo think pads, and this is just about the first Lenovo Thinkpad I ever saw.

Haha these are what my college has in their computer rooms!

Pudnhead wrote:Parallel and serial ports in the docking station? Is there any use for those anymore or is that just an indication of how old this is? This is a serious question, by the way.

T-series is designed for the large enterprise corporate market segment (think IT departments of large institutions). many such institutions have a lot of legacy applications and peripherals that need to be supported well after the consumer market has tossed them aside, hence the need for legacy ports. Notebook OEMs that focus on the LE market commonly ask my company to support ancient OSes such as win2k. so while this notebook is old (i have a T61 from work and it's showing its age), the legacy ports are not a good judge of obsolescence of the notebook itself.

enantiodromia wrote:These are not IBM Thinkpads. These are Lenovo think pads, and this is just about the first Lenovo Thinkpad I ever saw.

The T-series ThinkPads are still designed by the exact same design team based in Yokohama Japan that designed the IBM ThinkPads. Lenovo's purchase of the brand has not affected the quality of T-series (and a few other series that are still designed by that team). the only thing that has changed is a recent office move from Yamato Japan where IBM is located to their brand new highrise in Yokohama.

Price: $2,799 (as of 2/13/2006 at Lenovo.com)
WOW!!!

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2767

enantiodromia wrote:These are not IBM Thinkpads. These are Lenovo think pads, and this is just about the first Lenovo Thinkpad I ever saw.

Lenovo bought IBM. It's now China based, but they are the same company, or IBM is now Lenovo
IBM/Lenovo.
Google IBM thinkpad, you come up with Lenovo thinkpad

$269.99 +$15.95 s&h at neweggdotcom

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246119

I just got back from a three week trip with my T30 running Fedora w/ LXDE. Worked like a champ. The only annoyance was the low transfer speed of the USB 1.0 ports.

This here T60 has USB 2.0 ports, so there you go.

If it's like the T30, you can pop the optical drive out and stick a secondary battery into the slot.

If you want to play WoW or impress your friends, the T60 ain't going to cut it. But for watching movies on a train, and getting on the internet to check Reddit and the like, this thing will more than do the job.

pi3832 wrote:I just got back from a three week trip with my T30 running Fedora w/ LXDE. Worked like a champ. The only annoyance was the low transfer speed of the USB 1.0 ports.

This here T60 has USB 2.0 ports, so there you go.

You know a computer is old when USB 2.0 is a selling point...

cheroke55 wrote:Be sure to get a Squaretrade extended warranty, ... They're always giving 30% specials, they've given 5 out since fathers day.

It worries me a bit that they're having to run so many promotions to get new business... Are we going to find out that it's a ponzi scheme that's been working up 'till now... but they're running out of cash to keep going?

I don't usually post about anything because usually I have no idea, but I will say that these are well made. I have a 15 inch T61 (a slightly newer model with Core 2 duo) that I got in 2007 and it is still a champ. Yes, this is an older laptop, but still perfectly capable if you don't do gaming. I have dragged mine through half of my undergrad and through two years of grad school, and have used it for taking notes in all of my classes. It's scuffed up and I've dropped it a bunch of times but it shows no signs of quitting.

Also, second-hand Thinkpads tend to be very pricey, so I'd say this is a deal. And although I don't know how Thinkpads have been made since Lenovo took over design, these were originally designed and produced by IBM.

I will say that the screen does not get very bright and has a pretty crappy viewing angle (at least on mine), but that may be part of it being a privacy-oriented business laptop.

Pudnhead wrote:Parallel and serial ports in the docking station? Is there any use for those anymore or is that just an indication of how old this is? This is a serious question, by the way.

Anyone who's still using a floppy disc would have a use for them, seriously.

So this would probably be an upgrade from my 7 year old low end Dell with 30gb, no dock and about 20 minutes before the battery dies?

I use it mainly as a desktop for Office applications and browsing.

Does this come with wireless capabilities?

upgrade to 4 gig ram and a bigger hard drive is very inexpensive

"1 Lenovo ThinkPad T60 1952-AP2 Laptop with 15” Display, 1GB, 60GB, CDRW/DVD, 6-Cell Lithium-ion "

If it was me I am thinking I would have respiffied the "1952" thing out of the description.

My college sold these as the laptop you could buy straight from them. They feel really cheap, but are basically indestructible (within reason, it is a laptop). That is, aside from the battery. The batteries on them were absolute junk, and pretty much worthless after a year. At the time, it wasn't an issue since the school gave complete 4 year warranties. Just got a new battery through them at the start of every year.

If you jump on this Woot! (which for the price isn't a bad idea), I'd recommend getting some kind of aftermarket/3rd party battery, or you'll be tethered to the wall after a year.

Anyone thinking this is going to 'FLY' with Windows7 and 'SCREAM' must have low standards. The Core Duo T2400 does not feature hyperthreading, or 64 bit capability. It is a 5+ year old CPU...

Basically, if you really want to increase the performance of this laptop, you should swap the tired hard drive (which, on a used laptop, is one of the first things to go anyways) with an SSD. I was given an old Inspiron 8600 (Pentium4 M 1.4GHz/512MB) whose performance nearly doubled when I threw in a cheap 32GB SSD from eBay. The problem was the price: $70. If you put one of those into this laptop you are in to it nearly $300, and you can get brand new laptops (sure, entry level) for that amount....Micro Center has in store pickup Toshibas and Dells for $280.

Of course, if the docking station is making the sale for you, it may be worth it, but decent USB docking stations can be had for as little as $50.

I'm using one of these right now. Drowned in enterprise software, it's reasonably sluggish. I'd imagine without all this nonsense, it'd be a decent point A, point B laptop - e.g. internets browsing only.

These are so old, they run on kerosene and have a rope starter.....Serioulsy, only 1 gig of RAM.

Guys,
I have bought refurb before, you may actually get a computer with more than the specs you see here. I have gotten computers with more memory or larger hardrives, once I got a computer with 3 spare batteries two hard drives and loaded with memory and programs. YRMV. 90 day warrenty means you get a new battery or the laptop fixed if thee are any problems when it arrives. Spend an hour checking the battery, run a few diagnosistics (expecially the hard drive) update the drivers and you are good to go. As mentioned eariler, a larger HD or more memory is fairly cheap as are additional parts. Get a squaretrade warrenty if you are really worried. This is a solid workhorse that I will use as a spare computer for a couple of apps.

Pudnhead wrote:Parallel and serial ports in the docking station? Is there any use for those anymore or is that just an indication of how old this is? This is a serious question, by the way.

They're useful if you have older equipment you'd like to use. For example, I have a multimeter and analog probes/equipment that have a serial interface. I also have a very old Palm PDA (IIIc) which has several apps that do not exist on any other platform. It was the first full color PDA, and had a whopping 8mb of RAM, and uses a serial port. Many of these devices do NOT work with a serial to USB converter.

My guess is that it's also easier for tinkerers to design devices for a serial interface than a USB port. I could be wrong about this but I think one has direct access to the A/D converter on a serial port.

Recertified: ThinkPad T Series T61 (6464-WG6) Notebook $264.99

Intel Core 2 Duo T7500(2.20GHz) 15.4" Wide XGA 2GB Memory DDR2 667 100GB HDD 7200rpm DVD/CD-RW Combo Integrated Graphics

Part#:6464-WG6
Operating System:Windows XP Professional
Optical Drive Type:DVD/CD-RW Combo
Resolution:1280 x 800
Memory Speed:DDR2 667
Battery:9-cell lithium ion
CPU L2 Cache:4MB
Wide Screen Support:Yes


At Newegg ---
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The 4gb of RAM is slightly erroneous.

While the T60 can take two 2gb memory modules and will show 4gb of ram in the BIOS, due to an limitation, it will never make more than 3gb of memory available to the user.

The T60 ia a great laptop, but for this price, I'd expect the 1400 x 1050 rewsolution display.

wifigod wrote:This was my primary workstation (in office and on the go) for about 2 years; loved it. :-)

If I didn't have 4 other lappys laying around, I'd debate picking this one up. It's a solid office/browsing laptop.

Agree, it's a good little workhorse. This is actually my primary work computer right now.. and they are considered the "new" laptops at the office.

is this machine wi-fi compatible? or is a hard modem connection required?

salzone0816 wrote:You know a computer is old when USB 2.0 is a selling point...

HEY! One of my most used computers is a Fujitsu tablet running Win XP Tablet edition. With full handwriting recognition, and the ability to run most Windows software (including Office) it's more powerful than any Android or Apple tablet. Not bad for something with a 900mhz Pentium M and 40gb HD -- and USB 1.0 and 802.11b. Yep, B. Despite the wimpy specs and a manufacture date circa 2002, I still use it to edit my academic papers.

suesaf wrote:Does this come with wireless capabilities?

Yep. Not only does it have WiFi, but it also has but in Bluetooth. Probably has IR (infrared) too.

From the description:

Networking: 10/100/1000Mbps
Wireless: 802.11a/b/g
Modem: 56k V.92
Bluetooth: Yes

Pudnhead wrote:Parallel and serial ports in the docking station? Is there any use for those anymore or is that just an indication of how old this is? This is a serious question, by the way.

Yes. Serial ports are great for connecting a console cable to a router.

Truthfully, this laptop design is probably about 3 years old. However, Thinkpad (Lenovo/IBM) stuck with the older design for many years, which had these two ports stuck on them.

I test machines for IBM/Lenovo and wanna give a little insight. Biggest thing is that most of these will probably have minor stress cracks that are visual but do not affect the performance of the machine.

Explanation of the refurb process

All machines go through in general a 4 step process.

Visual Inspection
-Checking for stress cracks and broken components, LCD screen is cleaned

Machine Testing
-Keyboard and mouse are tested
-LCD Screen is Inspected
-Program is run that will test Processor,Memory and Peripherals
-If machine passes all test a clean HD is installed.

Cleaning
-Machines are cleaned and audited for components and then packaged.


I may have actually tested some of these for you all.

tadj wrote:is this machine wi-fi compatible? or is a hard modem connection required?

Yes, it has Wifi and even Bluetooth. And you can use an Ethernet cord connection as well. It's so old that it has 802.11a. Yep, A. Plus it does have a 56k modem in case you need to fax or connect via telephone.

From the description:

Networking: 10/100/1000Mbps
Wireless: 802.11a/b/g
Modem: 56k V.92
Bluetooth: Yes

hackman2007 wrote:Wow, this is almost worse than a netbook lol.

It is a little more powerful, but still. Where did you find this Woot?

no my friend this processor eats atom processors for lunch, it can do 1080p video.

that being said for a 15" 1024x768 is pretty darn crude, that is a resolution for 10" screens.

its ok if you need a cheap computer I guess.

darkinc wrote:this...looks...old...

???????? This isn't new.

Our company just phased out a bunch of these T60. In fact I am typing on one now. They are not too bad, definitely a durable machine. Biggest issues I have seen with them is that they get very warm on the bottom. The docking station is a nice plus. We were selling ours for about $150 w/ no docking station.

lnwolf wrote:The 4gb of RAM is slightly erroneous.

While the T60 can take two 2gb memory modules and will show 4gb of ram in the BIOS, due to an limitation, it will never make more than 3gb of memory available to the user.

The T60 ia a great laptop, but for this price, I'd expect the 1400 x 1050 rewsolution display.

well any 32bit os isnt going to address more than 3gb regardless, but yes some chipsets also had the same limitation so any 64bit os would also be limited.

that being said there is no point installing 64 and more than 4gb ram on such a machine.

all in all these things are built pretty sturdy, which is a nice change from the flimsy hollow thin plastic feel of many cheap laptops. thinkpads had "rollcage" or reinforced cases, decent engineering. even have some water venting ports for minor keyboard spills.

Wow is that a modem next to the ethernet connection? We can play War Games !

I've got a T40 that's still going strong. I've run XP,Ubuntu and Win 7 on it with no issues at all. And I found a replacement high-capacity battery for it on eBay for like $35 and and easily get 4-6 hours use on a single charge. The Thinkpad notebooks are GREAT.

The T60 is my daily-use laptop around my house. I've had it since 2007 and it's still rock solid. No issues whatsoever. Plus, it's nice and light.

I did swap in a new drive a number of years ago as I wanted more space and you quickly saw the difference in build quality between this machine and my other Dell laptops laying out. For instance, the lenovo had a rubber shield that fit around the hard drive within the laptop's enclosure. After some research, they added this to further protect the drive from trauma and further prevent the hard drive from vibrating the laptop.

My power cord did die, but replacements are about 10 bucks on amazon.

If you don't need a rocket machine and just want something to browse the web and use for most daily tasks, this is your machine.

chasby wrote:I've got a T40 that's still going strong. I've run XP,Ubuntu and Win 7 on it with no issues at all. And I found a replacement high-capacity battery for it on eBay for like $35 and and easily get 4-6 hours use on a single charge. The Thinkpad notebooks are GREAT.

I just dumped my R52. I had been running that thing for years. Great little laptop. I even had W7 Pro which worked pretty well considering the limitations of hardware inside. THinkpads are pretty well built.

Please keep in mind that ThinkPad T60 comes in two editions, the original IBM one which had a good screen resolution and the Lenovo one where you're stuck at 1024X768. This one is the Lenovo edition.