KtCallista wrote:I'm sure your coffe is fine, I wouldn't drink it, but I don't drink daily coffee and if you recall you started this discussion simply because I asked if it was possibe to get good coffee there. The stuff we used to have at work was horrid, leaving to get coffee was a valid reason to take a fleet vehicle into town. Plenty of people must drink coffee that they don't care about it other than it has caffiene and is hot because lots of places serve that. My grandpa drank that stuff, everyday all his life, but he didn't care what it tasted like as long as it was hot and woke him up.

I don't drink coffee often, so when I get a coffee I want it to be good, like getting a glass of wine with dinner, I don't just want grapes with alcohol I want something I can enjoy.

Idaho is hardly a snobby state, coffee included. I think the majority of the state wouldn't know good coffee if it was thrown on them, but then, a large population of the state doesn't drink any caffieneted beverages.... wherever I'm at we have a bit of a coffee culture, that gives us choices, I like those choices, but the reality is that we probably won't always live here. Since neither of us have spent much or any time back East I was inquiring whether coffee would be unavailable. I find some of the stuff that I take for granted is not normal other places. So therefore my question was more of wondering if such places even had an option (without it costing my first born child) for the occassional good cup of coffee that I like to do now and again, although I suppose I could just give it all up again.

You're still defining good by your yardstick.

AZGman wrote:You're still defining good by your yardstick.

What word would you prefer? Quality? Better than Starbucks? Not burnt or sludgy?

If you came here and you wanted to ask a local where to get coffee, they would ask if you want coffee or good coffee. Coffee means hot and cheap, good coffee and they will refer you to their favorite cafe or pub.

KtCallista wrote:What word would you prefer? Quality? Better than Starbucks? Not burnt or sludgy?

If you came here and you wanted to ask a local where to get coffee, they would ask if you want coffee or good coffee. Coffee means hot and cheap, good coffee and they will refer you to their favorite cafe or cub.

That's arrogance.

AZGman wrote:That's arrogance.

If I asked you where to get a beer, where would you send me?

Unless I asked for a good cup of coffee and received the same answer from everyone!!

KtCallista wrote:If I asked you where to get a beer, where would you send me?

The beer store - where you could pick the one you prefer.

I would ask what you prefer; I wouldn't tell you your choice is crappy.

AZGman wrote:The beer store - where you could pick the one you prefer.

Really? I've never seen a beer store? Neat.

We don't have beer stores, we have grocery stores, but you can't drink them there, and we have sports bars and one microbrewery. We used to have two, but the good one closed (or so I was told, it was before I turned 21, so I never went there).

Of course it kind of ruins the point since most places don't serve mulitple kinds of coffee, just like here most places only serve a small selection of beers, hmmm.

KtCallista wrote:Really? I've never seen a beer store? Neat.

We don't have beer stores, we have grocery stores, but you can't drink them there, and we have sports bars and one microbrewery. We used to have two, but the good one closed (or so I was told, it was before I turned 21, so I never went there).

Of course it kind of ruins the point since most places don't serve mulitple kinds of coffee, just like here most places only serve a small selection of beers, hmmm.

Still, I wouldn't tell you your choice was bad - even if I personally didn't care for it.

AZGman wrote:Still, I wouldn't tell you your choice was bad - even if I personally didn't care for it.

I didn't say your choice was bad, I said i wouldn't drink it because I prefer a different kind of coffee, but without getting all wine and fruity it's hard to describe the difference other than saying what it's not.

Just like describing a good hamburger you might say it's not greasy, or a beer as not overly hopsy. Although some people like heavy hops, but still not overly hopsy would be a description. In coffee not sludgy and not burnt, and not Starbucks are all common descriptions. Mostly because those are very common in coffee. Some books even describe coffee by it's burnt nature, but coffee doesn't have to be burnt, it just commonly is because the roasters don't care and if it's roasted at a major facility (like most coffee) it's usually burnt before it's even ground.

KtCallista wrote:I didn't say your choice was bad, I said i wouldn't drink it because I prefer a different kind of coffee, but without getting all wine and fruity it's hard to describe the difference other than saying what it's not.

Just like describing a good hamburger you might say it's not greasy, or a beer as not overly hopsy. Although some people like heavy hops, but still not overly hopsy would be a description. In coffee not sludgy and not burnt, and not Starbucks are all common descriptions. Mostly because those are very common in coffee. Some books even describe coffee by it's burnt nature, but coffee doesn't have to be burnt, it just commonly is because the roasters don't care and if it's roasted at a major facility (like most coffee) it's usually burnt before it's even ground.

Actually, you did - at this point:

KtCallista wrote:never had a Krispy Kreme here, but occassionally there'd be a special event that got a few dozen donuts here, they were never warm though.

7-11, Dunkin' Donuts, and Starbucks? Don't you guys have any good coffee out that way?

AZGman wrote:

And I later defined 'good coffee' for you since you seemed to take offense at that choice of terms, even though if I walked down the street here and used it everyone would know what I was talking about. In which case it's another one of those cultural things, and I already appologized that it was such and attempted to make myself clearer.

dontwantaname wrote:You can fight over coffee for almost a page, but I can't tell you that Rusty pooped on our walk in the rain?

I know, and I don't even like coffee that much, I simply wanted to know that if I moved out there if I'd have to give it up, since all you guys talk about is DD coffee, and whatnot and I simply wanted to know if anyone served what we here call "good coffee" which is apparently an offensive term.

KtCallista wrote:I know, and I don't even like coffee that much, I simply wanted to know that if I moved out there if I'd have to give it up, since all you guys talk about is DD coffee, and whatnot and I simply wanted to know if anyone served what we here call "good coffee" which is apparently an offensive term.

No, we have no "good coffee" on the east coast. Stay out west.

dontwantaname wrote:You can fight over coffee for almost a page, but I can't tell you that Rusty pooped on our walk in the rain?

Sure you can! Wanna hear about Flash's dump this morning? Or perhaps mine? It was righteous!!!

AZGman wrote:Sure you can! Wanna hear about Flash's dump this morning? Or perhaps mine? It was righteous!!!

and let the poop talk begin. No dog here so I'm out. Unless you want to talk baby diapers, but I think I'm good.

KtCallista wrote:I know, and I don't even like coffee that much, I simply wanted to know that if I moved out there if I'd have to give it up, since all you guys talk about is DD coffee, and whatnot and I simply wanted to know if anyone served what we here call "good coffee" which is apparently an offensive term.

dang, there's lots of good coffee here. personally, I don't like DD so much because they tend to put "extra sweetness" on it (joke about prostitution ring running out of a Dunkin Donuts). But they do really load on the sugar if you don't insist on none. I like it better than Starbucks, which seems kind of overroasted to me. I find that grinding it myself right before the drip coffee maker runs gives me the best coffee that I prefer- I used to get my coffee from a place in Chicago, but they closed when the dad died. :^(
now it's mostly Trader Joe's coffee which at least sells coffee that is less dark if I want that kind, but I like it medium roast and also dark roast. I know a guy who measures the temp of the water becfore he pours it over the grounds, because, according to him, too hot makes the coffee bitter (like a percolator does, sorry, poof), and too cold keeps it from having the flavor. whew., anybody left I didn't annoy?

oh, yeah, dname, I truly and completely have no interest in how the dog poop is working for you today.it fits in that "TMI" category for me.

there.

Well everybody, enjoy your enjoyables however you choose to enjoy them.

D'name, talk poop to your heart's content.

G'night, all!

Dinner finished. KFC. Extra crispy and regular. I thought he was going to get extra crispy and grilled. Oh, well. Since he went to get it, his choice.

dontwantaname wrote:No poo on last walk, but we did see two doggie friends.
Was only lightly raining.

We got inches of rain today.

I think national news said you got seven inches of rain today.

dontwantaname wrote:BTW what the F were you all doing here in the middle of the night?????

Having a super-secret cool kids meeting. Didn't you get the memo?

Iceback wrote:Having a super-secret cool kids meeting. Didn't you get the memo?

//whispering//I don't think she was on the list.

pooflady wrote://whispering//I don't think she was on the list.

well, duh.

AZGman wrote:Glazed are okay; don't like filled donuts, jelly or custard. I prefer cake donuts.

I'm with you on that,or a good apple fritter.

KtCallista wrote:I'm sure your coffe is fine, I wouldn't drink it, but I don't drink daily coffee and if you recall you started this discussion simply because I asked if it was possibe to get good coffee there. The stuff we used to have at work was horrid, leaving to get coffee was a valid reason to take a fleet vehicle into town. Plenty of people must drink coffee that they don't care about it other than it has caffiene and is hot because lots of places serve that. My grandpa drank that stuff, everyday all his life, but he didn't care what it tasted like as long as it was hot and woke him up.

I don't drink coffee often, so when I get a coffee I want it to be good, like getting a glass of wine with dinner, I don't just want grapes with alcohol I want something I can enjoy.

Idaho is hardly a snobby state, coffee included. I think the majority of the state wouldn't know good coffee if it was thrown on them, but then, a large population of the state doesn't drink any caffieneted beverages.... wherever I'm at we have a bit of a coffee culture, that gives us choices, I like those choices, but the reality is that we probably won't always live here. Since neither of us have spent much or any time back East I was inquiring whether coffee would be unavailable. I find some of the stuff that I take for granted is not normal other places. So therefore my question was more of wondering if such places even had an option (without it costing my first born child) for the occassional good cup of coffee that I like to do now and again, although I suppose I could just give it all up again.

We have a couple of good little coffee shops that cater to the college crowd, great, quality coffee. My favorite place is called Jupiter House , it is local good atmosphere.

Iceback wrote:We have a couple of good little coffee shops that cater to the college crowd, great, quality coffee. My favorite place is called {url=http://www.jupiterhousecoffee.net/Main/jupiterhouse.htm] Jupiter House [/url], it is local good atmosphere.

Personally, I like White Castle coffee. I don't know what it's called. Mild roast maybe?

pooflady wrote:Personally, I like White Castle coffee. I don't know what it's called. Mild roast maybe?

No White Castle in my neck of the woods.
I do like my new coffee maker though, you can control the water temp., has a wide selection of types and makes a great cup.

Iceback wrote:We have a couple of good little coffee shops that cater to the college crowd, great, quality coffee. My favorite place is called {url=http://www.jupiterhousecoffee.net/Main/jupiterhouse.htm] Jupiter House [/url], it is local good atmosphere.

To me a good little place is essential, my favorite used to have a used book store and a smoking room (cigars or pipe only) and the smell was just amazing. They've done away with the smoking room and the book store is mostly closed (still lots of books to read or buy, but the separate store closed). Great place to go relax. Apparently, they now make a wonderful Guiness Cake with Irish Creme frosting. Been wanting to try a slice for months.

Good place to meet with friends, or hear live jazz.

Iceback wrote:No White Castle in my neck of the woods.
I do like my new coffee maker though, you can control the water temp and makes a great cup.

That sounds nice. I haven't gotten into making my own since I was the only one in the house that drank coffee and I quit for many years. I still don't have one very often, but...

There is a bean at Costco near here (not my closest one, but two hours away) that my cousin buys and then grinds himself that's pretty good - not great, but not burnt - still a smidge bitter for me. I stopped turning down his coffee about a year ago when I learned better.

KtCallista wrote:To me a good little place is essential, my favorite used to have a used book store and a smoking room (cigars or pipe only) and the smell was just amazing. They've done away with the smoking room and the book store is mostly closed (still lots of books to read or buy, but the separate store closed). Great place to go relax. Apparently, they now make a wonderful Guiness Cake with Irish Creme frosting. Been wanting to try a slice for months.

Good place to meet with friends, or hear live jazz.

This place has live music regularly, having a teir one music college, leaves no shortage of willing talent.

Iceback wrote:This place has live music regularly, having a teir one music college, leaves no shortage of willing talent.

yeah same here. February is our International Jazz Festival, so....

KtCallista wrote:yeah same here. February is our International Jazz Festival, so....

but are they 6X Grammy nominated?

Ours is in April

Iceback wrote:but are they 6X Grammy nominated?

hmm, not sure that the festival has won a Grammy, but some artists attend our festival instead of the Grammies, even when they win. (happened first year I was a driver) And the festival founder was an International Goodwill Ambassedor.

KtCallista wrote:hmm, not sure that the festival has won a Grammy, but some artists attend our festival instead of the Grammies, even when they win. And the festival founder was an International Goodwill Ambassedor.

Not the festival, our local artists.
We are both blessed to live in a musically active place.

Just to add to the chaff here;

• I brew my own espresso daily from Tanzanian peaberry beans I get weekly from a local roaster.
  
• never had 7-11, so can't comment.
  
• McDonald's cappuccino will do in a pinch, as long as they don't add anything to it.
  
• Starbucks likewise, though I typically avoid it.
  
  
• I prefer raspberry or other fruit filled doughnuts.
  
• I usually tear them in half to spread out the filling for a more even flavor distribution.
  
• Doughnuts give me heartburn like nothing else, so I don't enjoy them often
  
  
• my border terrier craps wherever he wants within the confines of the yard.
  
• we have about 1/3 acre, so he's good
  
• he runs up and down barking at pedestrians for exercise.