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Everything you know is wrong! Each week, we ask writer and Jeopardy! ace Ken Jennings (seen at left and far left) to tear down one of the lies that they teach us in school, man. But you knew that already if you heard Ken's appearance on the Drunken Smartass Trivia podcast. During these sleepy dog days of August, Ken will expose four common misconceptions about sleep. We feel like there should be a "debunkbed" joke here, but we can't make it work as of press time.

This week... Sleep Myth #1: We Dream In Black & White.

In MGM’s The Wizard of Oz, Dorothy Gale lives in a sepia-toned Kansas, but dreams her way into a Technicolor Oz. For many years, the conventional wisdom held that the real-world relationship went the other way: our dreams were monochromatic. But in more recent studies, dreamers have reported seeing colored objects in up to 83 percent of their dreams. Those who don’t are typically older folks who grew up on black-and-white movies and TV.

In a recent study from Scotland, dreamers who were better at recalling dream details were also more likely to report color, so it’s possible that everyone dreams in color, but some of us—those of us raised on lots of Gunsmoke and I Love Lucy, presumably—reconstruct them in black and white when we think back later. Other dream researchers take the somewhat Zen view that dreams are usually neither color nor black-and-white—that most dream objects come with unspecified color, like the objects in a novel. Colorblind people, by the way, only report full-color dreams if they became colorblind late in life. Otherwise their dreams will match their visual deficiency.

If Hollywood really does have this tight a hold on the format of our dreams, don’t be surprised if dream researchers soon start to see sleepers reporting THX sound and, for those willing to pay five bucks more, 3-D and IMAX.

Next week: Sleep Myth #2!

Quick Quiz:. Speaking of The Wizard of Oz, what kind of birds does Dorothy sing that she'd like to follow "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"?

Ken Jennings is the author of Brainiac, Ken Jennings's Trivia Almanac, and the forthcoming Maphead. Follow him at ken-jennings.com or on Twitter as @KenJennings.

 

speedo232


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Bluebirds

MM

bsmith1


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An African Swallow?

thatheard


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bsmith1 wrote:An African Swallow?



Or was it a European swallow? AAAAaahhhh

bsmith1


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I would assume that most people dream in color because that's how they would day-dream about things. You don't picture the Sun in gray-scale when you imagine it in your head, so why would dreams be different?
Sadly, I don't know how we'll ever prove it one way or the other. No matter how many studies we take, we're still just taking people at their word.

bsmith1


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thatheard wrote:Or was it a European swallow? AAAAaahhhh



If it takes place in scene 24, it's most likely a starling not a swallow.

moonablaze


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happy little bluebirds.

SESteve


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Just so you know: there is no actual press involved in blog posts.

Unless you count pressing "Post". Ha ha ha ha!!!

gmarkward


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"When happy little blue birds fly beyond the rainbow, why oh why can't I?"

ckeilah


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Welcome to woot! Ken! :-)


Technicolor blue birds.


over the rainbow


tweets are for birds

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cappomutato


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Crows. Big juicy crows.

yay taco

ejmccartin


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happy little blue birds

thanks for the earworm!

brainiac007


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ostriches?

acdawg


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What are bluebirds?

pixelator99


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If anyone has ever had a lucid dream, they know that dreams are in full color, 3D, smellavision, surround sound.

I have lucid dreams from time to time (that is where you become aware in the dream that you are dreaming) once you become aware you are in a dream, you can basically control it, and explore it (kinda like the holodeck in star trek) - lucid dreams are very detailed and realistic. I remember one where I was walking down a hall, and became aware I was dreaming. I was in a hall of a school complete with the concrete block walls. I remember examining the walls up close, noticing the texture and color and feel of them. completely realistic.

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happy
little
bluebirds

doctorclark


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Huge.
Angry.
Condors.

What's it going to be then, eh?

slothful1


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Along the same lines, I have had someone tell me that you can't read text in a dream because dreams occur in the right hemisphere and reading is a left-brain activity. Aside from the fact that each hemisphere can duplicate some functions dominated by the other, I dispute the premise that dreaming is exclusively right-brained. And I know I have read written notes or documents while in a dream.

pooflady


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Every time I start reading something in a dream, I wake up. It's too difficult.

Well, another day has passed and I didn't use algebra once.

cinemaniax7


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Am I the only one who ever has credit sequences at the end of dreams?

Luxasia


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I always dream in full color, sound, smells, everything. Which is great for the nights where I dream about hiking through a peaceful forest, not so great for the nights I'm chased by zombies......

Do not follow me, I walk into walls!

whoiskenjennings


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Hey, thanks for reading, everybody.

Very nice speedo232 et. al.: the trivia answer is indeed "bluebirds."

Or, as they would be called in Dorothy's Kansas: "graybirds."

I fooled around with lucid dreaming for a while in college. Lucid dreaming is pretty awesome, but unfortunately it's impossible to talk about without making yourself sound tiresomely like Laurence Fishburne in The Matrix.

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What I realized about dreams is that it's very difficult to re-create real world objects, or even to re-create objects you've already dreamed. I've dreamed of seeing a place, leaving it, and then returning, only to find it completely different--I believe because my brain can't duplicate its look.

I think the same is true of faces. I've dreamed very detailed faces, but none belonging to anybody I know.

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Extrapolating that logic, kids these days will dream only in blue and orange. *shudder*

(http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html)

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Dream studies where the subjects were psychopaths and schizophrenics revealed that virtually every schizophrenics reported dreaming in color (and having a good memory of their dreams), whereas psychopaths reported very few, if any dreams, but when they did have them, they were almost always in black and white.

I think that's pretty neat.

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whoiskenjennings wrote:I fooled around with lucid dreaming for a while in college.



I found attempting lucid dreaming was a great technique for initiating insomnia. I've yet to find a great use for that. Dance marathons?

joia


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Dorothy sings about following where the Bluebirds fly.

dsgnGrl


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pixelator99 wrote:If anyone has ever had a lucid dream, they know that dreams are in full color, 3D, smellavision, surround sound.

I have lucid dreams from time to time (that is where you become aware in the dream that you are dreaming) once you become aware you are in a dream, you can basically control it, and explore it (kinda like the holodeck in star trek) - lucid dreams are very detailed and realistic. I remember one where I was walking down a hall, and became aware I was dreaming. I was in a hall of a school complete with the concrete block walls. I remember examining the walls up close, noticing the texture and color and feel of them. completely realistic.



I have done this since I was a child, any time a dream takes a turn I don't like I change it to something happier. No more nightmares for me. I am surprised to hear that people were thought to dream in black and white.

On a slightly related note, I have had many dreams involving a swimming pool which has orange tiles, just like Princeton University's pool does and yet is laid out more like Rutgers. (Why yes, I was a competitive swimmer who spent way too much in chlorine). Anyway, I have yet to find that place in real life, but I am convinced that one day I will walk into a swim meet and exclaim "This is the pool!"

Now, how would I know the pool had orange tiles if I didn't dream in color?

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I have dreamt in black and white before, but I mostly dream in full color and, ever since getting a new mattress and moving it around in my room to a new orientation, in amazing detail. I've yet to have any lucid dream, though...I really wish I could! Anyone have any tips for that? Also, although it hasn't occurred in a while, I occasionally have dreams that aren't black and white nor grayscale nor color - they're implied shapes and actions. Sort of like wireframe, but less concrete than that. I really like those kinds of dreams.

There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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dsgnGrl wrote:I have had many dreams involving a swimming pool which has orange tiles, just like Princeton University's pool does and yet is laid out more like Rutgers. (Why yes, I was a competitive swimmer who spent way too much in chlorine). Anyway, I have yet to find that place in real life, but I am convinced that one day I will walk into a swim meet and exclaim "This is the pool!"

Now, how would I know the pool had orange tiles if I didn't dream in color?



Because even though your brain doesn't produce the illusion of the color, your brain may still send the idea of the color. So, you actually see a shade of gray, but you think "oh yeah, orange!"
A similar theory says that we don't speak words or hear words when conversing with someone in a dream. The idea is that the brain may produce the illusion of sound, and tell you that it's speech, but the brain transmits the concept of the words instead of actually dreaming someone enunciating specific phonemes.
Which is kinda cool.
I wonder if people who talk in their sleep actually dream with phonemes and enunciated conversation, and people that don't get the shorthand version of: "mumble"~>translate~>"No, I think the pool is more of a tangerine color."

(that's how the theory went anyway... personally, I still think I dream in color, mostly.)

lucid dreaming! I can send myself to sleep by starting up a lucid dream... mostly just lay there, close my eyes, and start inventing a story line and pretending myself acting it out the way I want it to go.

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acdawg wrote:What are bluebirds?



@crowsnest531

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whoiskenjennings wrote:Hey, thanks for reading, everybody.



Oy. My big giant foam head hurts.


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cinemaniax7 wrote:Am I the only one who ever has credit sequences at the end of dreams?



People who dream in black and white, won't they have the credits roll at the beginning of their dreams?

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I recently rewound a dream, ala TiVo's "replay" button.
I don't remember the details, but something strange happened, and I thought "wait, what was that?" and "boopboop", I jumped back ~10 seconds and replayed it.

Also had a dream recently where my clock alarm was the punchline of a joke...
Again, unfortunately I don't recall the details - I just remember that there was bizarrely perfect comedic timing - there was a set-up to the joke (which is the part I regretfully don't remember), and the punchline was the sound of my alarm clock. I woke up chuckling.

Was also a bit baffled about the timing... Was the alarm already sounding, and my brain wrote and performed the joke before letting me consciously hear the sound? Or did my brain somehow know that the alarm was just about to sound, and timed the joke perfectly?
Or was there some kind of compression or expansion of time within the dream that I was not conscious of which made it *seem* perfectly timed?
It was very odd...

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I think Part II should include that ubiquitous, classic sleep myth: "Other people find your dreams interesting and could give a fat hairy poo what they mean."

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ckeilah wrote:Welcome to woot! Ken! :-)


Technicolor blue birds.


over the rainbow



I want that shirt

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GiantKenJenningsHead wrote:Oy. My big giant foam head hurts.



I wondered if this might bring you out of retirement. Welcome back, GKJH!

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dave bug wrote:I wondered if this might bring you out of retirement. Welcome back, GKJH!



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GiantKenJenningsHead wrote:Oy. My big giant foam head hurts.

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I've always dreamed in complete, vivid colour. I'm not sure I've ever actually had a monochromatic dream. My dreams aren't any different than real life, they look, smell, sound, etc, just the same, except they usually also have fantastic elements, like houses with neverending rooms and corridors, or settings changing without me actually moving, a companion starting out as one person and then becoming a different person, or sort of magical things occurring that would not occur in physical space. Being wounded but not dying (though I have died in dreams and ended up as a ghost!), being able to fly, etc.

I also dreamed lucidly as a kid, without any attempt to do so, pretty much every night. I thought that was normal dreaming until I tried talking to people about it and found out it was apparently really weird. The lucid dreams stopped in my mid teens. I have tried initiating them purposefully on occasion as an adult, but I rarely succeed.

re: text, I have read text or numbers in my dreams without any trouble. I used to have full blown text dreams when I used to play text rpg games online. /geek

Dreams are fascinating! Good topic, thanks.