sdc100


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kh99 wrote:The company philosophy? They're trying to develop things that they can sell and make money, like every company. The thing you're talking about is hardly unethical - as much as everyone hates watching commericals, they actually pay for the content. If you think about it, the unethical thing is actually to take programming that's paid for by commericals and remove the commercials (or provide a way for the consumer to do so). Just because we're all used to being able to do it doesn't mean it's right.

I agree that the Philips brand is low-end.



Hardly unethical? If is so common, and they're "acting like every company," then why did they backpeddle? And why did they give that stu,pid explanation, which clearly has no connection to reality? Seriously, to ensure that people who want to watch commercials can continue to do so??? Is there something out there that prevents people from doing so? It is unethical because it takes over a primary function of the VCR/DVR, and takes over my time usage (which includes energy usage). Using your logic, it is then also ethical to make a TV that refuses to turn off unless the stations allows it to be turned off? How about one that doesn't allow you to change the channel until is a show is over? All these technologies, after all, do basically the same thing: Forces you to have something on TV you don't want.

A device exists in N Korea wherw The Great Leader's voice is played through a speaker in every home, and it can't be turned off.

The Supreme Court ruled that VCR and other recording devices were legal for personal use. In its ruling, it specified in that consumers should be allowed to watch a show when they want (time shift) and how they want. Among the examples, I've heard is the ability to fast forward past parts I find offensive or a waste of time -- or inappropriate for my children, i.e. scary news footage. If you want to lose that control, that's your choice -- but it's not mine. Sorry, but commercial gain is not an excuse to tell me how to use my appliance -- an appliance that I paid for, without any contribution from Philips.

As for your twisted logic that bypassing commercials is unethical, would you also extend your logic to walking out of the room? How about making phone calls during the ads? Or taking a bathroom break? If the only ethical thing is to watch the ads, then all those other actions are necessarily unethical. The only practical difference between walking out of the room and fast forwarding the ad is that I don't save time with the former. After all, both result in me not watching the ad. So your objection seems to be the consumer's ability to save time, which I guess you find unethical.

Furthermore, taking your logic one step further, we can also say that since ads pay for the programming, it would also be unethical to not buy the products featured. After all, what pays for the ads? Consumer purchases. Indeed, companies don't care if you don't watch their ads as long as you buy their products. So the bottom line is sales. So is everyone who don't buy the sponsors' products being unethical? Are poorer people then more unethical than wealthier people?

This is actually timely issue where I work, East Harlem, where there is a high rate of childhood obesity. There is currently a nationwide debate about how junk food and fast food ads affect the problem but he correlation is undeniable. So is it more unethical to expose children to those unhealthy ads (the view of most experts) or to skip the ads (which is your claim)?

The bottom line: Your ethics control what we watch, how we watch it, and how our time is allotted (ads take up 15 mins of a 60 min program, or 25%). That includes things we find offensive or inappropriate for our children, with the ultimate guide being money for the sponsor or what I call, "Corporate Intent." My ethics don't prevent companies from advertising, nor the ads' contents, nor networks from scheduling ads as they see fit. I only ask ads be treated like shows (or commercial DVD contents). Since I can fast forward a show, I should also be able to fast forward past an ad. Think about it.

Sorry for the length of this but this is an issue I've debated since college, and most recently as a community health advisor in East Harlem.

krewlh85


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Sold out!? I feel cheated. I was going to buy trés.

whatsamattaU


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sdc100 wrote:

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Sorry for the length of this but this is an issue I've debated since college, and most recently as a community health advisor in East Harlem.



"kh99, you now have 2 minutes of rebuttal."

riquiscott


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kh99 wrote: - as much as everyone hates watching commericals, they actually pay for the content. If you think about it, the unethical thing is actually to take programming that's paid for by commericals and remove the commercials (or provide a way for the consumer to do so). Just because we're all used to being able to do it doesn't mean it's right.



The fact is, unless you're a member one of the relatively-small number of Neilsen families, no one knows or cares whether you watch a particular show, much less whether you watched or skipped the commercials. Your viewing habits don't affect the ratings share of the shows you watch, which is what determines how much the sponsors pay for commercial time during the show.

So watch the commercials or skip them - it doesn't matter either way.

LDagen


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After two tv's returned for who knows I finally have one in my kids playroom; customer service was great but you get what you pay for.

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fstopdigital wrote:So uh.... this tv any good? Moving in with the woman Sept. 1st, I was thinking we could use a bedroom tv.



Bedroom are for other things. Watching TV is not one of them

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mjHession wrote:Why does everyone hate on 720p? I have two 37'' tvs, one is 720p the other 1080p. I watch bluray on both with HDMI inputs. I actually don't know which one is witch, Id have to check the picture seems identical. At 32" I'm sure 720p is fine. Maybe 50''+ you'd want 1080p, but 32''? Comon 720p is fine.

As for the using as a monitor this I understand as you generally sit much closer to a monitor than a TV.



Great observation... And for anyone haggling over 1080 vs 720 --- or 60 vs 120: If YOU WEAR GLASSES, IT DOESN'T MATTER!!! HAHA -- Actually, a TV that size is for a smaller room - it's FINE!

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In regards to variable digital audio, I believe you have the wrong idea about general signal capabilities. No set can have variable digital out. It is extremely hard to turn down a 1 or a 0 in comparison to an analog signal.

laart wrote:My gf had this in her living room, and I hated it every time I watched it. Moved it to the bedroom, hung it on the wall, and it's good. it's lighter than the 26" westinghouse she had there before, and doesn't have the vertical angle issue the westie had. The picture is good enough, but the sound isn't that clear. The worst part - digital audio out isn't matched to the volume control, and the setup has no option to make digital output variable - so I have to change the outboard speaker volume manually. I have an old cambridge soundworks set of tiny bose-size surround speakers with a digital input, and I can't use it because it has no remote, and I can't adjust the volume. Every other TV I've had has a "TV speakers on/off" setting and a "external speakers variable or fixed" setting - but not this one.



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If only the tax return money wasn't gone. I'd have gotten this. But that's ok, because next spring they'll be even cheaper! ;)

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brianperroni wrote:The good news is that Philips has worked with me on it. They first thought it simply needed a software update but when that didn't work they decided to send me a new TV. It is in the mail now and they are sending me a postage paid box to ship the old one back. I'm hoping the new one has the problem fixed because it is a pretty good TV when it actually works.



I wish I'd had the same great experience with Philips. I bought a refurb TV direct from them a few years ago and it had a dark spot on the screen when I got it. Trying to get help was a total nightmare. Endless wait times, clueless CSRs, they "lost" my info every time I called in and I had to start over and explain everything again, I'd talk to supervisors who'd tell me they were gonna look into things and call me back then never did. Just awful, and my TV never got repaired or replaced as I finally just gave up in frustration...exactly what they wanted.

If anyone has any problems with these TVs I hope they have a much much much better experience than I did!

lmsilva89


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It's been 4 days and my tv hasn't shipped yet

samson102


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screw this earthquake, WHERE IS MY TV

alexpeykov


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Has anybody ever bought a TV from Woot before? I imagine it comes in a pretty big box. Also, is it standard for FedEx (if that's how it will be shipped) to ask for a signature? I definitely wouldn't want it left outside.

And yes, these things take a while to ship, don't they. I wonder if it's Woot or FedEx that delays it. I can't imagine FedEx cares too much about shipping TVs fast for $5.

lmsilva89


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samson102 wrote:screw this earthquake, WHERE IS MY TV



seriously!! mine hasnt even shipped...

ThunderThighs


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lmsilva89 wrote:It's been 4 days and my tv hasn't shipped yet

Orders generally ship within 5 business days. This is the 2nd business day. Hang tight.

alexpeykov


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Every day is a business day when you don't have your shiny new refurbished TV.

alexpeykov


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lmsilva89 wrote:seriously!! mine hasnt even shipped...



Yes, I think you mentioned that in a previous post. (Joke, I obviously agree!)

raiderphil


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Communication on shipping is a little weak on Woot's part. I ordered this TV on the 19th and no information has been updated in my account as to what the status is. Heck even their instructions are incorrect. It says to click on order number and it isn't even there to do so.

DennisWKam


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raiderphil wrote:Communication on shipping is a little weak on Woot's part. I ordered this TV on the 19th and no information has been updated in my account as to what the status is. Heck even their instructions are incorrect. It says to click on order number and it isn't even there to do so.



We typically process and ship out orders within 5 business days, not including the date of the purchase. We'll send you an email with tracking once it ships.

raiderphil


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DennisWKam wrote:We typically process and ship out orders within 5 business days, not including the date of the purchase. We'll send you an email with tracking once it ships.



In todays world Woot Shipping taking 5 business days to even start the shipping process is like the Wells Fargo Stage coaches days.

Do you realize how many possible customers you are leaving on someone else's table with this obsolete shipping policy.

I will never order another Woot advertised product.

evancrss


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I leave for college on Friday, I guess I'll have to go back home to pick up my TV. Not blaming Woot for this, I knew the shipping wouldn't be the fastest in the world. It would be nice to have an expedited shipping option, I'd have paid more for it in this case.

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evancrss wrote:I leave for college on Friday, I guess I'll have to go back home to pick up my TV. Not blaming Woot for this, I knew the shipping wouldn't be the fastest in the world. It would be nice to have an expedited shipping option, I'd have paid more for it in this case.



Yeah man, I'm in the same boat as you, but I won't be able to go back home for like 3 weeks.

darthob


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evancrss wrote:I leave for college on Friday, I guess I'll have to go back home to pick up my TV. Not blaming Woot for this, I knew the shipping wouldn't be the fastest in the world. It would be nice to have an expedited shipping option, I'd have paid more for it in this case.



If it has yet to ship, why don't you try asking to switch the shipping destination?

wmcole


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Wjhen will it ship?

ounick008


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This product has been kinda odd. Every other product I have purchased from woot! has always been shipped a few days after purchase. This is the first time I have had to wait the entire quoted "5 business days" to ship. Hopefully this is not a trend... I am sure if it was a vacuum or a flash drive I would not be so impatient but since it is a TV the more time it takes to ship the less time I get to watch it and more time I get to sit on here and complain about not having it yet...

samson102


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Has anyone had a TV ship yet? still waiting for mine to

bizgrim


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I have lived in various places in Texas, and I usually get the item before woot gives me the shipping info...

kasplund


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Here is the odd part that I just don't get. Visa and MC regulations require that no card can charged (although they can 'hold' the funds on your credit line for 7 days) until they ship. Hmmmmm..... so either they ignore regs and risk losing their right to accept credit cards, or just hurt themselves by not securing funds immediately and having to cancel orders with their supplier if card declines later. Interesting business plan, but very high risk operations "behind the curtain" if they are leveraging other peoples money in order to pay off debts from days gone by..... No other good reason, unless you like fights with brilliant attorneys in out of state courtrooms. Unless......

So by my calculations they would be holding $226k+ interest free of other peoples money for 7 days just on this one product. The cost of a Documentary Letter of credit is 1/4 of 1% of the total invoice price from their supplier, so why do they need 400 times that amount to make the purchase? Unless they are leveraging it to buy $100Million of product I guess. No, they would never do that. Silly me. LOL

But who really knows, this is all just guessing on my part since there is no communication from Woot until they decide 'it is time' (in this case 7 calendar days and how dare you even ask, you gave it to them!). So raise a glass and congratulate Woot on a job well done, because if any of us had received this business plan from a friend we all would have said, "No One would ever agree to to let you take their money and use if for 7 days before you even confirmed it could even ship!"

Then look in the mirror and introduce yourself to Mr./Ms 'No One'. I have been told they make great investors once you get to know them.... and extremely patient and nice :-)

lmsilva89


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im getting nervous... i bought the tv on the 19th and still havent even received any notification that its shipped or anything =/

ekepes


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This looks like my first and last purchase from Woot. How in 2011 can you not give me some shipping information 7 full days after a purchase? I think I'd rather take my chances with the riff-raff on eBay.

ounick008


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Well today is the last day... If anyone gets notfication that the product has shipped will you post on here please?

The main concern I have is my TV sitting outside all day while I am at work because woot decided not to tell me it shipped.

samson102


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lmsilva89 wrote:im getting nervous... i bought the tv on the 19th and still havent even received any notification that its shipped or anything =/



yeah i am too... hopefully today is the day they ship

ounick008


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kasplund wrote:Here is the odd part that I just don't get. Visa and MC regulations require that no card can charged (although they can 'hold' the funds on your credit line for 7 days) until they ship.
So by my calculations they would be holding $226k+ interest free of other peoples money for 7 days just on this one product. The cost of a Documentary Letter of credit is 1/4 of 1% of the total invoice price from their supplier, so why do they need 400 times that amount to make the purchase? Unless they are leveraging it to buy $100Million of product I guess. No, they would never do that. Silly me. LOL



I agree!

Glad my 240 dollars can sit in your account and gain intrest while we all have nothing to show for it except a hit on our credit cards and a message saying you order is all set but we will let you know when the item ships...

joyerice


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Ship the damn tv's already sheesh. I was reading back on some older woots on tv's.. saw a 32" visio shipped 3 days after the woot.. W.. T... F....

dissconnected


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If woot is this busy; maybe its time to add some jobs. Just sayin.

raiderphil


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joyerice wrote:Ship the damn tv's already sheesh. I was reading back on some older woots on tv's.. saw a 32" visio shipped 3 days after the woot.. W.. T... F....



What the Hell Woot. Give us some information about our TV. We live in the fastest communication age ever. Let us know what is going on. After all, we are your customers.

danbrodan61


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lmsilva89 wrote:im getting nervous... i bought the tv on the 19th and still havent even received any notification that its shipped or anything =/



I have the same concern........

DennisWKam


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We typically process and ship out orders within 5 business days, not including the date of the purchase.

Today is the 5th business day and we finally got the tracking from our vendor. So, we'll be sending out the tracking emails today.

joyerice


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DennisWKam wrote:We typically process and ship out orders within 5 business days, not including the date of the purchase.

Today is the 5th business day and we finally got the tracking from our vendor. So, we'll be sending out the tracking emails today.



Finally, SOMETHING! Still not totally clear BUT I'll take it.. for now..
Awaiting tracking email.

lmsilva89


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If anyone gets a tracking number will they let me know? I know it's only 10:15 but I haven't gotten mine and would just like to know how many other ppl have or if they have. Thanks