chamclo


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devexityspace wrote:This is really a great deal. I've been looking for something to get for my Aunt for Christmas.. This might be something myself and a few other family members can chip in for.

You can't go wrong with Singer, no other brand comes close!



Brother really is better, and less expensive. Singer is mostly just a name these days

puffpuff


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my first sewing machine was a singer....i lijed it up until the 2nd week...it broke on its own then i went for an exchange for a kenmore and love it for the price ;) im currently in the market for a serger but when u see the reviews for this one its god awful...dont think i can deal with another singer again...theyre cheaply made esp. in the bottom bobbin area...of course this is all my opinion but also experience. one day i will have enough for a janome....i really want one!

tsunamei


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A single mans dream woot! and just before the holidays too. This elf gonna be busy in his workshop....a new dress for mom...a wedding dress for sis...and little clothes for my nieces Barbie's. Please rush delivery...only 22 more sewing days till Xmas.

dcobranchi


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I don't know anything about the sewing machines but the Woot blurb wins "Creepiest Advert of the Year." I kept expecting him to threaten to hack off the kid's arm.

dragonfax


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The comparable 4423 sells on amazon for $130. I think the Serger is the only thing they're giving a good deal on. And most people don't need it.

icosplay


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Another just interested in the serger part of this package.

Quelin


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I'm tempted !!!

But I bought a sewing machine off woot a year ago and it's still everything I have ever needed. I like singer. I don't think this new machne is worth the cost.

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karma2u


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desertjann wrote:I already have a good sewing machine but I would love to have a serger. Why are they a combined offer?



And I only want the sewing machine. I'm assuming , with a moniker of "Desert", you aren't anywhere near Atlanta.

nameless1


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chamclo wrote:Brother really is better, and less expensive. Singer is mostly just a name these days


The older Singers had all metal parts. Like everything else, they are made cheaper nowadays. The metal frame's nice, but the new ones use plastic gears, so they aren't as durable and won't hold up as well to heavy fabrics and leather. These are ok for a starter set, but not for a daily sewer. OTOH, you're not going to find quality all metal at this price.

djrmsn


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Merry Christmas to me! Already hit the BUY button. Thank you Woot!!! The serger ALONE is the price of this deal in the stores! I have had non-buyer's remorse since you offered this last time. I am now a HAPPY girl!

makitmama


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These machines are not heavy duty. They will handle polar fleece and heavier fabrics like denim fine, but for leather that is more than 1.5-2oz in weight you need something a little stronger. I am currently sewing purses and laptop cases on a 1951 Singer 201-2, which works fine unless I go over 4 thicknesses of 3oz leather.

ladypuma8


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Despite what 0thers are saying, this is not the same set that was sold in August. That was the Perfect Finish Set. I'm not sure how they compare, just wanted to clear it up.

meadowlark


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dragonfax wrote:The comparable 4423 sells on amazon for $130. I think the Serger is the only thing they're giving a good deal on. And most people don't need it.



Anyone who knows their way around a sewing machine and uses one often actually does need a serger, especially if sewing clothing. You can stitch together anything on a regular machine, but to get the item to last through wear and multiple washings, and to have it look store-bought, the seams should be finished/reinforced with a serger.

Sewing side seams with a serger is a LOT faster for me than using a regular machine. They come out neater and more professional-looking and will never unravel.

I used mine to help sew the seams on the kayak sling I made of nylon for my hub to hang from the garage ceiling. It will never come apart!

Oh, yes, many years ago when some of us ladies learned to sew, sergers were only used in clothing factories. As home sewers became more sophisticated, machine companies finally got smart and starting making them for home use. Anyone who thinks a person who sews doesn't need a serger is not really serious about sewing.

Most of you guys have at LEAST two screw drivers, right, a Phillips and a flat? I bet you have a lot more than that. Do you have more than one kind of hammer? They are for different uses in construction and repair. Same with the two different sewing machines. Hey, even I have two kinds of electric staplers, upholstery and multi-purpose, plus two kinds of nail guns, and so on.

I am a woman who loves good tools. I know there's a right tool for every job, and if you don't have the right one, your finished product will suffer.

That having been said, this set would be suitable for a beginner-type sewer, not a person who's had years of experience, unless they absolutely could not afford a better set of machines. If one can afford it, higher quality machines will keep the user from becoming frustrated and quitting.

Just like with "man tools", higher quality sewing machines are easier to use, usually less irritating to deal with and do a neater job with less effort. I have not tried these particular machines, just giving general advice. If my husband bought these for me for Christmas, I'd be reselling them soon on eBay. They are not the quality I demand and expect in my tools.

Singer in general does not live up to it's reputation of the past, but like I said, this is a great price for a beginner set.

I would not try to sew heavy leather and fabrics on this machine, and especially not in a fast manner, or you're likely to break a plastic gear. Although you could get the job done slowwwwly, this is not designed for heavy-duty use and you would likely be frustrated with the lack of neatness in the final product since this low-end machine is not designed to power through such work.

Sewing very slow tends to give a less neat product on heavy fabrics/leather, and with vinyl/leather you get only one chance to run it through the machine. It's not like fabric where you can remove the stitches and not see where the holes were. Leather may not feed through the machine as smoothly as expected, and the needle holes would hit closer together, punching holes in the leather so close together it becomes perforated enough to tear along the stitching. Just my advice.

One reason the way older machines were better is because they had metal gears inside and were far more durable. They would stand up to heavy use and heavy fabrics and being run at full speed. They had more power without straining to push through heavy work. I will date myself, but I've been sewing with machines since 1965.

I hope that helps!

ChefRAZ


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would someone make me an Evel Knievel cape already. I've got my sites on the grand canyon.

cutecarousel


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My two cents here... the regular sewing machine is very good for a beginner. I've seen it and similar in classrooms, I have a a friend that sews for a hobby that has this model. It works fine for making your own clothes, repairing, and craft projects. Don't like a serger? You can always zig-zag stitch on the regular machine to finish your edges (this takes some practice and definitely takes more time than serging).

A serger is a WONDERFUL tool to have. It will open new doors for you regarding making and potentially selling clothing and accessories. It has one important function, and that is to close off edges so that they won't unravel! This gives clothing a professional look. You won't normally find professionally made clothes sold in stores that don't have a serged edge (and if you do, don't buy 'em because they're shoddy). If you love sewing already, a serger will only improve your enjoyment. It may be a slight challenge to thread initially (they come with detailed instructions), and it takes a bit of working to get used to them... but it is completely worth it in the end. I repair all my family and friends' clothing. I sell clothing and accessories.

About the brand argument... generally you get what you pay for. This is one HECK of a deal, and you won't beat it unless you buy USED, which can be a shot in the dark. I own two singers. One is a regular machine from the 70s. The other is an old merritlock serger (look it up). It still works. If you take good care of your machine, it will take good care of you. Most come with a manufacturer's warranty, also!

I hope this helps!

jeparz


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itsjusthen wrote:Is this the same sewing machine + serger they had last time?



I don't cook and I don't sew BUT I did buy the last combo and it was $70 more (my wife enjoys sewing but not fixing cars = trade off). This is the Singer Scholastic and the earlier one was the Singer ET-1 Perfect Finish. I hope the ET-1 IS $70 better. My guess is that the sergers are the same. I got tired of "investigating" this since I have what I have and I'm not getting this. My curiosity is satisfied so I thought I'd share.

zwoman


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Cocontom wrote:Just an FYI for hems- this does a rolled hem, it does not do a coverhem. The rolled hem is like the thread covered edge of a sheer dress, the coverhem is what you'd find on a t-shirt hem. That takes a much more expensive serger with at least 5 threads or a specialty machine.



You aren't kidding! The 5-thread sergers are double the price. Is the cover hem that much better and worth the extra expense? Most of the 4-thread machines appear to be in a more affordable price range of $200. Brother definitely beats Singer in the reviews for this price range. Oh, and I did find a Brother that does the cover hem and looks like a 4-thread machine, but it's $400!

I found a great explanation of sergers with examples of the stitches/finished edges here: http://sewing.about.com/od/sergersoverlock/ss/serger.htm

Obviously I'm just interested in the serger, Woot. I have an OLD Necchi in a wooden cabinet and I've used a Brother, Kenmore, Europro and Singer. Singer was my least favorite because it was a modern one - made with too much plastic. The older machines might be heavier to lift, but they're of higher quality and work better with all that heavy metal!

birdie85


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I have a serger, and it's fabulous! Perfect for finishing any garment or project.

Heck, I even put together a bathrobe entirely on the surger. You wouldn't want to do that on something with any sort of complex sewing though, or something that needed more vigorous construction.

My next sewing machine is probably going to be an older Bernina though, and I've been trawling garage sales recently to that end... woot!, any chance we'll see some old 'refurbished' machines?

jlsharpe


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Save your money. Singer brand was sold many years ago and they are not the quality they use to be and are now made in China. I used to be a sales associate and would try and tell people NOT to buy these models. These models are the cheapest, lowest price, are not good starter machines, break easily, and do not have the power to sew through thick material. Go find a used older Singer if you must have this brand. Or go talk to a reputable dealer before you buy a Singer.

yutzykgb


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I want only the serger...please let me know if someone want to split this woot..I live in western NC. Thanks!

nadh


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ReneeDj3 wrote:I beg to differ. They're one of those brands that have rested on their laurels in recent years. Some are good, some are just plain lousy. I outta know, I sell 'em.



Agree. Many parts are now plastic and lack durability. The older machines did last for decades/generations. Newer ones, not so much.

ssports


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skywarrior3 wrote:Would this be able to sew leather or thick fabrics?



No, for that kind of work you need a walking foot machine, commercial walking foot machines are very simple in that they don't do anything but sew a lock stitch, no options, no fancy stitches buttonholes or anything but straight stitching. They are always in contact with the fabric while sewing as they have two shafts and two "feet" when one goes up the other comes down as they pull the fabric through, so the feet are always in contact with fabric, they use much heavier needles, that are made differently, for larger thread, which is most times nylon, or polyester versus the normal cotton thread used for say a shirt the exception being the heavy cotton thread used for denim. They are ugly, heavy single funtion machines, I have one in the basement. I had my own company and manufactured police Equiptment I.e. holsters, duty belts, handcuff cases etc. from leather and ballistic nylon. Rather than serging, these types of products usually have folded seams covered with nylon tape for durability.

Lulabelle


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I'm in the La Crosse, WI, area, and would like the serger only if someone wants to split.

cutecarousel


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"Go find a used older Singer if you must have this brand." Agreed.

Mine are a few decades old, but not like the big old metal ones or the ones that came in their own cabinet. I'd LOVE to have one of those, and if I see one that's working at a garage sale or something, I'll snap that baby up! <3 I will agree that older ones tend to be much better quality with less plastic and more sturdy! Craigslist is a good place to find a sewing machine or serger, especially if you live in a populated area. I got my serger for less than $50 and it was demonstrated for me to show that it worked.

My friend that has the regular sewing machine for sale in this woot only does things like repairing clothes, making small accessories (such as cell phone cases and drawstring bags). Nothing major, and I've never seen it put to a real test.

I'm not stuck on a particular brand. I have a singer, a brother, and a whites. The brother is the only new one, and the singer is from the early 70s, and the whites is probably from the 60s. My serger is a singer, a few decades old as well. It works like a dream. If you find one and you're not sure, there are TONS of sewing forums to find when you google. Someone online already has the machine in question, and they'd love to tell you about it.

peakandpine


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rgmekanic wrote: I may jump on this for my mother



Oh. I'm sorry. I thought you said you were going to jump on your mother.

jordi43


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The set in August was the Perfect Finish, this is the Scholastic. I purchased the August set. Differences: the Scholastic is manual selection , while the Perfect Finish was programmable. The Scholastic is a great everyday machine. It is simple to use and really no muss no fuss. As for the serger vs Brother, I actually have both, I prefer my Singer. The Brother is a little easier to thread, BUT getting the tension right is terrible. Thread breaks all of the time or it's too top heavy.

Long story short, I'd buy it.

ssports


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For all of the folks on here looking for only a serger, here is a thought, check your local listings and see if you have a commercial sewing machine seller that services companies. They will have commercial high quality sergers used and repaired for much less than new. Expect to find brands you never heard of. A high quality used commercial serger will run circles around a home unit.

kasuino


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This is an amazing deal. I'm sad that I only have $34 in my bank acct and can't take advantage of it.

pete0


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mbk21 wrote:Will buying this Woot expedite my application for residency in Santa Poco?



Sew, mbk21. Sew like the wind!

specsmachine


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The writeup had me in stitches.

mdaisy


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Singer USED to be a fantastic brand. Now, not so much. They are basically a plastic lemon in the walmart aisle... Some machines happen to work fine - so if you're buying this for someone who knows sewing & would know if theirs is a lemon, it'd be an economical choice. I would not wish this upon someone wanting to learn to sew (as they may think they stink, when it's the machine). I'd take a vintage singer over this bundle any day!

ch333


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itsjusthen wrote:Is this the same sewing machine + serger they had last time?



No, Last time was the Singer Perfect Finish Combo for $350.

Singer Site Link

jamalerich


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Singer hasn't built a quality machine in over 50 years. Decent price for a starter, but don't expect a long life.

Katluvr


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spithril wrote:It's cheaper here if you don't look at the shipping cost:
http://www.meijer.com/s/singer-stylist-14sh764-serger/_/R-203077



That's only for the serger though, not the sewing machine too. It's a great deal. I got the one they offered a couple of months ago.

crowsnest


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skywarrior3 wrote:Would this be able to sew leather or thick fabrics?



60% Stronger Motor: A stronger motor than standard sewing machines allows it to sew through heavyweight fabrics with ease

@crowsnest531

amoraluv


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the sewing machine looks like one of those ones they put in the class rooms when I was in middle school.

I feel like woot is trying to sell us a walkman when everyone wants a Itouch

autodidact


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I just feel the need to mention that the sewing machine was designed by a lefty.

conniebgood


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BetsyJxn wrote:Are you kidding me? Singer is about the worst brand out there! I sew a lot and I am quite certain I will never own a Singer. They *used* to be good and if you can get your hands on a machine built 30 or 40 years ago it will last forever. But today's machines? No way!



I have one of those 40 year old machines -- the last model with only metal parts. Still zooming along! I will own it always!

unome


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One of the Amazon reviews says it's hard to find needles for the serger.

Amazon customer reviews

Can someone who owns one of these corroborate?

libbyandbrant


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where is the machine made? Ive looked high and low and cant find anything saying. Should say on the machine though.