philospud


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Woot, how did you read my mind? I have been looking at iMacs for the past month, trying to find a good deal on one.

P.S. this is cheaper/almost the same price if you go with the 20% apple employee discount and if you are lucky enough to have a friend who is willing to help you.

coreyann


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I think it all depends on what you're using it for.

I have a Mac Pro, 3 years old and it is still going strong. I am a photographer and after killed 3 PCs in 2 years (all high end ones) I finally got irked and stomped into Mac. It wasn't cheap but that's the best $4K I've spent on my business to date. I never have to wait for anything on this sucker and I've never had a blip or malfunction from day one. I also was able to switch all of my licenses over rather than rebuy (i.e. photoshop, lightroom etc).

If you're buying it for email and surfing the web it's not worth it but if you are using it for creative industry stuff or things that make your PC work it may be worth it for you. Most photographers I know edit on iMacs and never complain.

To each their own but $150 off is $150 off.

Jethro70


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wootbitDude wrote:It's not rocket sience!!!
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP14
That's the spec that was in the box and available to look at before buying. It's common sense if you are buying something new and have an os that is two versions below the current shipping version to check what that new product requires before you buy it!!! You would have been in the same boat on any os that is multiple versions behind.

As for the USB ports, they are just as tightly packed on pc's. There are plenty of times I have cursed having to swap around USB cables to make room for one that is fatter than others on pc's. Flash drives are the worst. I carry a short extender cable for just that reason.



Why would I check the requirements? I was buying an Apple product for an Apple product. They just work. The Nano synced with XP (originally released in 2001), but not with OS X Panther (circa. 2005). Didn't exactly match what the Apple zealots had been feeding me...

What really got to me was that I still ended up with apps crashing. No, I never got the blue screen of death, but there were countless episodes where I had to reboot to get a functional machine again. The constant beach-balls when using iPhoto, Mail, and just about every other piece of bundled software, was the icing on the cake.

But hey, if you can convince yourself that all of this is part of "just working", then order today's deal... and put your blinders on when the next smoking $380 Woot PC deal comes along.

Skibob2001


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Thank you!

crisss1205


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Jethro70 wrote:Why would I check the requirements? I was buying an Apple product for an Apple product. They just work. The Nano synced with XP (originally released in 2001), but not with OS X Panther (circa. 2005). Didn't exactly match what the Apple zealots had been feeding me...

What really got to me was that I still ended up with apps crashing. No, I never got the blue screen of death, but there were countless episodes where I had to reboot to get a functional machine again. The constant beach-balls when using iPhoto, Mail, and just about every other piece of bundled software, was the icing on the cake.

But hey, if you can convince yourself that all of this is part of "just working", then order today's deal... and but your blinders on when the next smoking $380 Woot PC deal comes along.



Thats because XP was the newest OS available at the time, while there were 2 newer versions of OS X. Vista didn't come out until 2006.

buell2003


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Jethro70 wrote:Why would I check the requirements? I was buying an Apple product for an Apple product. They just work. The Nano synced with XP (originally released in 2001), but not with OS X Panther (circa. 2005). Didn't exactly match what the Apple zealots had been feeding me...

What really got to me was that I still ended up with apps crashing. No, I never got the blue screen of death, but there were countless episodes where I had to reboot to get a functional machine again. The constant beach-balls when using iPhoto, Mail, and just about every other piece of bundled software, was the icing on the cake.

But hey, if you can convince yourself that all of this is part of "just working", then order today's deal... and but your blinders on when the next smoking $380 Woot PC deal comes along.




Did you also expect that iPod to work in an Apple II? How about Windows 95?

tball95


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Thunderbolt?

Fountain3586


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This is an okay deal. I bought mine over a month ago from Apple for the same price, student discount. Keep in mind when you buy with a student discount, EVERYTHING you get with it is discounted too. I paid half price for Apple Care.

Favorite Woots: The First Years miSwivel Feeding Chair, Kiddy Sport’n Move Stroller, Sacs of Life Insulator 4 Reusable Shopping Bags, Daiwa Golf Bag, Energizer Light on Demand Twin Light Center, Ooma Telo ViIP Home Phone System, and a Stainless Steel Designer 6 Ounce Flask.

Shinespark


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tball95 wrote:Thunderbolt?



A new interface from the creators of our friend HDCP.

It's been 20 years, I am going to copy that floppy.

bunnyma357


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I have an older 24" iMac Core 2 Duo and really love it - best computer I've ever used - for me, it's been more productive than even far more powerful MacPro cpu's. But like any computer it is only a tool.

As a small business, time I am not billing, costs me money - and for me, a non-IT creative person, I can spend far less time on non-billable IT type tasks with a Mac, so that within a month the premium cost of the Mac is washed out. I keep a computer from 4-6 years, so over the course of a computer's life the Mac is a no-brainer.

Others may have different skills, knowledge and computing needs, and they should get the computer that works for their situation. I just wish they wouldn't try to tell me that I am a brainwashed sheep for choosing the proper tool for the job.

For me the big flaws in the Mac are lack of support for USB 3, eSATA, and BluRay.

In my experience the Intel Macs also seem to be a little more crash prone and likely to have hardware "lockups" particularly with FireWire - but they have still proven to be more trouble free for me than PC's I have used at other facilities.

PC reliability and ease of use may have changed with Windows 7, but I would need substantial proof that the PC is stable and productive, since switching from Mac to PC would require a minimum $3k software investment for me on top of the computer.

If it appeals to you - these iMacs are wonderful tools.



Jethro70


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buell2003 wrote:Did you also expect that iPod to work in an Apple II? How about Windows 95?

Again: The iPod worked on a circa. 2005 XP machine, but not on a circa. 2005 OSX machine.

Your analogy doesn't work with what I am saying... It would be more like buying Honda aftermarket parts for a Honda car, and having them work on a VW but not on the Honda. That is the point that is being made here.

/enough of this

Macs just work. Except when they don't. Then it's your fault.

If you've ever wanted a Mac, this is a darn purty one to get for a first timer... but I would suggest investing in a few extra sticks of RAM and maxing it out (as someone suggested earlier -- seemed like a pretty inexpensive option).

barronlroth


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deemery wrote:On the other hand, I routinely get 5 years useful life from a Mac, where only 1 of the PCs I've owned (HP, clones and Dell) have lasted 3 years, due to component failure. The Dell lasted 4 years, but it took proprietary memory so I couldn't add enough memory to it to run Windows with acceptable performance.

So it's my experience that the components in Apple machines are generally better quality/last longer than in PCs.



I don't understand folks like you. The two Desktop PCs in my home were purchased in 2001 and 2007 respectively, and run incredibely. Just build a basic knowledge of PC maintenance, upgrade your RAM when needed, update your OS, and your PC should last as long as you'd like.

The second part of your statement is simply untrue. The components in Macs are made by the exact same companies who build PC components: Intel, Nvidia, Seagate, etc.

dernst_ca1


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Shinespark wrote:Clearly, it didn't take your life, so I'd call that one a victory.



nope.. just her moms

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wootbitDude


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Jethro70 wrote:Why would I check the requirements? I was buying an Apple product for an Apple product. They just work. The Nano synced with XP (originally released in 2001), but not with OS X Panther (circa. 2005). Didn't exactly match what the Apple zealots had been feeding me...

What really got to me was that I still ended up with apps crashing. No, I never got the blue screen of death, but there were countless episodes where I had to reboot to get a functional machine again. The constant beach-balls when using iPhoto, Mail, and just about every other piece of bundled software, was the icing on the cake.

But hey, if you can convince yourself that all of this is part of "just working", then order today's deal... and put your blinders on when the next smoking $380 Woot PC deal comes along.



Wrong again. Xp SP 2, released in Aug 2004 is the min for xp. Let's also not forget that MS Had no new OS releases for 7 years.

I use on a daily basis, OS X, xp, win7 and several Linux variants. For my own machines I Use something that works without the BS. OS X.

Been using computers for 30 years. I know what has problems. Nothing is perfect. OS X is closer then all the others. On upgrades, learned long time ago to not install any x.0 release on day 1. Always wait for,the .1 (unless it's a test machine). Spinning beach ball could have been corrected with archive and install. Try doing that with windows.

TheFaz


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PC users that are against Macs are akin to conspiracy theorists. They think if enough people say it it will become true. My imac runs flash, it's upgradeable. Never had a virus although I know they exist. I've had 2 Macs in the past 10 years. I don't get a new one every 6 weeks. I still have my 1st generation ipod nano. I don't have an iphone but I did just buy the Wife an ipad2. Same price as a galaxy tab.

Cease all the hatred!

You play with yours, I'll play with mine. NOW KISS AND MAKE UP!

reaperofterror


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Personally I hate macs along with apple, and even at this price its no deal. You can get a more powerful PC for cheaper. As for viruses reason macs don't have many out there is because it isn't beneficial to create viruses for only 5% of apple computers in the world. Also there was a report earlier in the year which showed which companies had the best quality pcs. Basically comparing HP, compaq, lenevo apple and a few others. Hp and compaq were at the bottom meaning they were repaired a lot and what came next? Apple. lenevo being the best one on the list. Dell and other companies weren't on the list just a few.

dhillinmkewi


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Nope - it was a 60" dlp tv back in 2005 which sold for $2500 + $5 shipping! Woot-woot!

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trujunglist


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Jethro70 wrote:Why would I check the requirements? I was buying an Apple product for an Apple product. They just work. The Nano synced with XP (originally released in 2001), but not with OS X Panther (circa. 2005). Didn't exactly match what the Apple zealots had been feeding me...

What really got to me was that I still ended up with apps crashing. No, I never got the blue screen of death, but there were countless episodes where I had to reboot to get a functional machine again. The constant beach-balls when using iPhoto, Mail, and just about every other piece of bundled software, was the icing on the cake.

But hey, if you can convince yourself that all of this is part of "just working", then order today's deal... and put your blinders on when the next smoking $380 Woot PC deal comes along.



It's your own fault that you don't know how to use the OS. I understand that coming over from a PC is a lot different, but you can't hide behind that statement. Learn how to force quit. Learn how to kill with the command line. Learn how to run DIskwarrior. Do all these things, and you have a positive Mac experience. Try to run a Mac like you've run your PCs for years and you're gonna have a bad time. I used to know PC users that would reinstall Mac OS when something went wrong because that's how it was done on a PC. I'd just laugh and laugh.

reaperofterror


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coreyann wrote:I think it all depends on what you're using it for.

I have a Mac Pro, 3 years old and it is still going strong. I am a photographer and after killed 3 PCs in 2 years (all high end ones) I finally got irked and stomped into Mac. It wasn't cheap but that's the best $4K I've spent on my business to date. I never have to wait for anything on this sucker and I've never had a blip or malfunction from day one. I also was able to switch all of my licenses over rather than rebuy (i.e. photoshop, lightroom etc).

If you're buying it for email and surfing the web it's not worth it but if you are using it for creative industry stuff or things that make your PC work it may be worth it for you. Most photographers I know edit on iMacs and never complain.

To each their own but $150 off is $150 off.



You say high end, by high end which companies did you buy from or did you build it yourself. I have a 2000 dollar pc built by me and I massacre this thing with games, overclocking and other things and not a hiccup.

rtmccormick0300


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I've never understood the whole Mac VS PC debate, or rather why people get so wrapped up in it on forums. Honestly, if you have one and you like it, why do you care if everyone else likes it? Do you REALLY need to rationalize your purchase to everyone else?

Bottom line: If you have a PC and it works for you, great. If you have a Mac and it works for you, great. If you have either and don't like what you have, then try the other. It really is that simple folks. If I had to pick a side, I'd say that the Mac users are more prone to being fanboys and dedicating hours of their days to telling everyone how great their product is and how much everything else sucks.

Shinespark


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trujunglist wrote:It's your own fault that you don't know how to use the OS. I understand that coming over from a PC is a lot different, but you can't hide behind that statement. Learn how to force quit. Learn how to kill with the command line. Learn how to run DIskwarrior. Do all these things, and you have a positive Mac experience. Try to run a Mac like you've run your PCs for years and you're gonna have a bad time. I used to know PC users that would reinstall Mac OS when something went wrong because that's how it was done on a PC. I'd just laugh and laugh.



Force quits? Command line?
Wait, why wouldn't he just install OpenBSD then?

reaperofterror wrote:You say high end, by high end which companies did you buy from or did you build it yourself. I have a 2000 dollar pc built by me and I massacre this thing with games, overclocking and other things and not a hiccup.



Massacring an iMac in games isn't that much of a feat.

It's been 20 years, I am going to copy that floppy.

jeffshinn


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Um, not a deal. A deal is getting a 15.6" laptop with Linux, and a Dell 24" 1920*1200 monitor, nice logitech wireless set, all quite a bit less than this "deal".

Don't get me wrong, Mac's are becoming cool again especially with Thunderbolt, but I am a developer and like having the 1920*1200 24" Dell plus a 1600*900 15.6" display on the laptop. And I've dished some pretty serious stuff at the laptop, including running VirtualBox with an XP image and Photoshop CS5...no issues, perfection.

I guess I am just not into the elitist status Mac's provide.

twiggygp


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davidbrault wrote:I always do a Google search on Woot deals to see how good of a deal it is before I buy, and I found same iMac for $780 here...

http://esportmart.com/apple-imac-21.5-quad-core-intel-core-i5-2.5ghz-4gb-ram-500gb-hard-drive-amd-radeon-hd-6750m-mac-os-x-lion.html

I've never ordered anything from Esportmart before so I can't vouch for them, but that is a huge difference in price and something to consider.

Happy holidays fellow Wooters!!



After some research, I've found that esportmart.com is a scam site. They ask you to wire money to Indonesia after you complete your purchase.

trujunglist


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Shinespark wrote:Force quits? Command line?
Wait, why wouldn't he just install OpenBSD then?



Force quit existed long long before OS X. I'm fairly certain OpenBSD is not as friendly as the Mac OS. GUI and all, you know?

milkham


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rtmccormick0300 wrote:I've never understood the whole Mac VS PC debate, or rather why people get so wrapped up in it on forums. Honestly, if you have one and you like it, why do you care if everyone else likes it? Do you REALLY need to rationalize your purchase to everyone else?

Bottom line: If you have a PC and it works for you, great. If you have a Mac and it works for you, great. If you have either and don't like what you have, then try the other. It really is that simple folks. If I had to pick a side, I'd say that the Mac users are more prone to being fanboys and dedicating hours of their days to telling everyone how great their product is and how much everything else sucks.



its like this with everything, android vs iphone, canon vs nikon, republican vs democrat, xbox vs playstation, street fighter vs tekken...

mrjoewood


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If you don't want to own a Mac because you can build something better for $50, you're not going to buy this anyway, so I'm not completely sure what the comments are all about, and perhaps you should save them up for the Dyson vacuums that show up four times a week, where you can post how much cheaper a broom is and how it sweeps better under couches.

If you're not going to buy a Mac because you prefer Windows, that's a fine preference to have, but it doesn't really impact the decision-making of those who might want to buy this unless there are things they want to do which they wouldn't be able to do with this system (which could very well be the case).

Stepping out of the flames for a second:

If all you do is surf the web and write email and are not especially a fan of any given OS, then this is an expensive purchase unless you want to place it somewhere more "public" in the house, in which case the quiet and the aesthetics (and single cord) might be important. Otherwise, find a good Windows 7 box and install a decent antivirus scanner on it. You'll be fine.

If you are used to Windows and know every in and out of using it, you might find OS X jarring. If you're a casual user, you won't. My parents, for example, seemed to always be perplexed by Windows (XP, I think, at the time), but have no problems using their Macs now (that said, it always amazes me to watch them use the OS, because they really don't take advantage of it and do things in ways I consider awkward, but... they are comfortable with it all, so that's what matters).

If you have to have the bestest tech, then you need to know this will be upgraded in a few months. From a CPU point of view, it's doubtful much will change of significance, but maybe they'll add USB3.

That said, this is a good discount on a good computer which will serve most people very well. It is well-built, silent, attractive, and the Thunderbolt interface opens up faster-than-USB3 speeds, chaining monitors and hard drives, and so on... but it's still pretty new, and things are just starting to come out that use it effectively. It's something you'll likely use in a year or two but probably will not use right away.

It'll play all but the most GPU-intensive games. It'll run Flash, it'll do most of what you want with the built-in apps. The App Store makes it brain-dead simple to buy new apps. You can run tons of free apps on it. The UNIX underbelly lets you do all sorts of things.. but you likely won't, unless UNIX means something to you (it's the primary reason I use OS X). It'll run fine for years. OS upgrades will likely cost you $30 every couple of years.

There are, of course, people who switch to Macs, hate them, and switch back, but, percentage-wise, that is rare. Most people who use Macs love them, which is why Apple has such a great consumer satisfaction score. People with Macs tend to love the computer itself in addition to what they can do with it. Any tech can break or glitch, but the odds are that you will love this. Unless, of course, you're predisposed not to.

Bootes


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esflovian wrote:Eh, I've owned 2 mac's since 2006 and both have had the HD die within 2 years of purchase. I'll pass on all things Apple for now.



They use the same HDs as anyone else. There's not that many companies that make HDs.

Roostalee


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I'm not sure they were ever made here in the US, but I could be wrong. My 20-year-old Mac Classic was made in Singapore, the "land of caning."

Potrzebie!

dreadpiraterobert


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Flash858 wrote:Friends don't let friends buy Macs.

OSX is the most utterly fatuous and illogical OS ever made. And for those of you enamored of the hardware - remember it is NOT upgradeable.



My PowerMac G4 Tower, brand new in about 1998, still runs fine. I use it as wireless networked storage for all my music and photos. It's a little slow on the Internet these days, but it still works, despite no upgrades, repairs, or tweaking other than some new hard drives (2TB) and RAM. Find me a PC with hardware from 1998 that can say that.

crisss1205


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dreadpiraterobert wrote:My PowerMac G4 Tower, brand new in about 1998, still runs fine. I use it as wireless networked storage for all my music and photos. It's a little slow on the Internet these days, but it still works, despite no upgrades, repairs, or tweaking other than some new hard drives (2TB) and RAM. Find me a PC with hardware from 1998 that can say that.



Beat my 1984 Macintosh that still runs Oregon Trail fine! =)

rlj1010


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I'm still using my original Apple computer. Works great.

editorkid


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sdc100 wrote:That's one of the major reasons the corporate world prefers PCs. Computers are pretty much disposable appliances. It's much less painful to throw out a $600 PC than a $1000 Mac -- and you even get to keep the monitor with the PC! With Macs, the entire thing goes in the trash, even if the monitor works fine.

Several of my Mac friends have kept their very old Macs because of the double whammy: 1) It's painful to throw out something you paid so much for and, 2) It costs more to buy a new one. My PC friends generally have computers than are no more than 2-3 years old.


What is with you today? The iMac is the only Mac that has a built-in monitor. People who buy Mac Minis and Mac Pros do not throw their monitors away. Meanwhile, people who buy Dell and HP all-in-ones do.

If you don't like AIO computers, fine. But you don't look good trying to turn it into a platform issue.

lqotw


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Well, my last name IS McIntosh. Thus, you will never find a Dell or HP at my house. It just wouldn't be PC...

LQOTW
(If only she'd use her Powers for Good)

kgovert007


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geredeth wrote:That is the most ridiculous claim. I am so sick and tired of people acting like Windows just grows it's own spyware/viruses. First off, I have been going on .. almost a decade now.. of zero problems with my Windows machines. Every failure was hardware failure, and when I did get a virus 10 years ago (or maybe even 14 or so), it was my own stupid fault and I learned from it, which seems to be something that Mac users are incapable of doing.

Want to say it is pretty and shiny? Go for it. Want to say "It doesn't get viruses?" then stop, there is a reason there are anti-virus programs from the Mac, as it is even more vulnerable to infection that Windows systems, because the users are to stupid to act intelligently. And no, sorry Mrfox, this isn't direct at "you" so much as everyone who makes these foolish claims. Working in the tech industry, I get to hear this more than any rational person should. I am thinking of making a bumper sticker I can smack on peoples foreheads to warn of their fanboi given ignorance.



Agreed. http://aupdates.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/top-10-most-secure-operating-systems/

lazzyz


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Its worth posting a link to this recertified iMac, with a faster processor, 4 GB RAM and 1 TB HDD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883104073

I guess it depends if you need a mouse and keyboard.

jamesbottomtooth


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rlj1010 wrote:

I'm still using my original Apple computer. Works great.



that ol' 6 byte processor with 7 bit wide byte.. since then none of the windows programs ran on apple...

hughn


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My 21" iMac is around 5 yrs old. It's running OS Lion and works just like it always did. It never freezes and no crashes.

We also have a 13" Macbook, iPad and several members of the family own iPhones. All of them work as intended and THAT is the beauty of the Mac computers, they just work and keep on working as long as you keep updating them.

Excellent price for todays Woot buy!

kgovert007


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crisss1205 wrote:Virus yes, Macs don't get viruses. However a Mac can get other malware, but just like with PCs you have to be very careless. With a Mac you would have to lets say illegally download some software from a torrent site and try to install it.

If you take care of your computer you will not get any viruses whether you are using Windows, Mac OS, or Linux.



http://aupdates.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/top-10-most-secure-operating-systems/

qqqqq


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Um no thats not how boot camp works at all. If you use VMWare Fusion or Parallels which let you use both operating systems at once, yes resources are shared between the two OS's. Bootcamp however partitions your drive with one partition having windows installed and the other OSX so you can restart you machine and switch between the two. So when your running windows under bootcamp, other the apple on the side its exactly the same as a PC with the same specs, and vice versa. You have to preeminently dedicate resources (expect hard drive space) to either OS they simply both take turns if you will.

zelgadis123


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Whatever value Macs give you, let me reiterate, that Windows based machine still offer the most value. For example just last month there was a monster pc setup on a unspecified deal site that I won't link, that blows this Mac out of the water in every category.

Dell XPS 8300 Desktop: Core i7 2600 3.4GHz, 8GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, Radeon HD 6670, WiFi N, Win 7 Prem + 24" Dell U2412M UltraSharp IPS LCD $900 or $873 + Free Shipping

Apple once and while takes 10 percent off or so, but on average they don't lower their prices unless they are rolling out upgrades to the product line. Why would they, their products are always in high demand.

I actually prefer Macbooks b/c they are flat out better engineered than the PC labtop rivals and are worth the premium price, but Macbook Desktops just don't offer any value to me.