enigmatic


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On the iGo site, 8 AA batteries go for $12.99, so every additional set you get is not only $2.99 cheaper than 8 batteries on iGo, you get another charger.

http://www.igo.com/8-pack-aa-rechargeable-alkaline-batteries/invt/ac051000001/

teedo757


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I want these but am unsure about fully discharging them. I have several Air hog (*thanks woot*) toys and they all charge using the remote control. It says not to use rechargeable but I can't stand spending the money on regular alkaline batteries so I normally mix them recharge and Alkaline (ya I know, not supposed to mix) The issue is normal rechargeables are 1.2v and alkaline are 1.5v....so if the remote takes 8 batteries it makes a big difference in fly time

1.2 * 8 = 9.6v
1.5 * 8 = 12v

If I use all rechargeable get about 4 minutes, all alkaline 10-12 minutes and mixed about 6-7 minutes

I normally run the batteries down to about 30% of the battery life before they are not useful. Wondering if this will be worth the investment?

bagbiter


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Not sure if anyone has stated so, but NiMH batteries typically average 1.2V over their discharge cycle - which explains their nominal voltage rating.

At initial full charge they are 1.5V and when "dead" closer to 0.9V.


Alkaline batteries have similar discharge curves and I cant give a good explanation for why they are rated as 1.5V. Probably some crazy marketing guy told them to claim initial voltage rather than nominal voltage.

link'd

http://www.powerstream.com/AA-tests.htm

TALK ABOUT BALLOONS I COMMAND IT
-XVI

amenite


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rkartsch wrote:Has anyone seen an answer to the several questions whether the charger operates on 220-240v 50hz for use in Europe?



The answer is no with the two primary clues being:

1. Product description bullet #1 - "...any standard US wall outlet"

2. The fact that iGo makes an international "Travel charger" version:

http://www.igo.com/international-charger-with-4-aa-rechargeable-alkaline-batteries/invt/ac051060002/

andrewman


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Can you use these in Solar lights?

Andrew Spring

Fountain3586


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Went to Whole Foods today. I found the iGo Battery Charger with 4 AA's for $14.99. So, of course Woot has a great deal!!

Awesome!!

Favorite Woots: The First Years miSwivel Feeding Chair, Kiddy Sport’n Move Stroller, Sacs of Life Insulator 4 Reusable Shopping Bags, Daiwa Golf Bag, Energizer Light on Demand Twin Light Center, Ooma Telo ViIP Home Phone System, and a Stainless Steel Designer 6 Ounce Flask.

franigans


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the problem with rechargable alkalines is the more discharged an alkaline is the fewer charges it will have left, in other words you have to keep topping it up if you want to get the most out of it, which is whyt e previous attempts at such things failed. single digit recharge life.

rcmansour


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jj2me wrote:I've used lots of rechargeable alkalines (Rayovac Renewals and Juice), and am now switching to low self discharge (LSD) NiMH batteries, like the Eneloop, Rayovac 4.0, etc., because of leakage problems.

Disadvantages:

  • special charger required (terrible advice in earlier comments that recommend Maha or LaCrosse chargers--they will not work and will be ruined when rechargeable alkalines leak or burst, which is likely).




The Lacrosse charger recommendation is not a recommendation for use with these batteries. It is simply a general recommendation for anyone looking for an excellent charger for use with other rechargeables.

liteup


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There appears to be no history of performance on these cells. Previous history of rechargeable alkalines from reputable manufacturers were a flop, at best.

I am amazed at the number of posts that represent complete ignorance of any knowledge about a commodity that we all use. There were only a couple of dozen posts that indicated some reasonable knowledge about cells and battery chemistry and characteristics. Google Battery University and do some research.

One post referred to buying quality alkaline primary (non-rechargeable) for 10-20 cents each, which I personally believe is a much more practical solution than the cells being sold here with extremely limited recharging tools (only the one sold with it), very limited cycles (about 25), decreasing capacity, and their likely hood of leaking (and ruining whatever it's used in or the charger).

Research and learn where rechargeable cells are practical and where they aren't. It's plain silly to put a $3 rechargeable cell in a TV remote where a moderate quality alkaline primary that costs 10 cents will last for 3 years.

For those interested in rechargeables, in plain terms, the LSD (low self discharge) NiMH cells are the way to go for the masses. The Eneloops that have had several references here are the creme of the crop, but pretty much all of the LSD cells have been good performers and certainly much better than all of the previous rechargeables. Those that have used the old NiCads and the more recent standard NiMH, but were disappointed and thought that recharging cells were more trouble than worth it, would likely be pleasantly surprised by the performance of the newest LSD cells. They are everything that you thought a rechargeable cell should be.

A quality charger is important. The LaCrosse 700 and 900 referred to are good chargers, but the creme of the crop is the Maha C9000 Wizard. Whatever charger you choose should be a true 'smart charger' and should have the ability to charge single cells (not in twos).

Avoid deep discharging your cells (unless intentionally doing so to condition them in a smart charger). Far better to recharge them often (top them off).

As to the comments about camera use .... agree with another poster, forget alkalines. NiMH are the perfect fit for digital cameras. The experienced photographer prefers higher capacity standard cells (2700-3000 mAh), but they usually know how to care for them. They have top quality chargers, will test and recondition them and make sure that they have several sets fully charged just prior to a shoot. For the rest of us, LSD are the way to go. A 2000 mAh cell that maintains 90-95% of its capacity for when you're ready to use it, is much more useful that a 2700mAh cell that has lost 50% of its charge just sitting in the camera.

There are some situations that primary cells are a better practical choice, especially with digital cameras. Backpacking or travel, etc. where weight and space are a premium, Energizer primary lithium cells are the way to go. They are best in temperature extremes (both hot and cold), are much lighter in weight than all other standard cells, almost never leak, even in extremes, and maintain 90% of their capacity for 15 years.

They are also my choice for important, stored flashlights, such as those in cars of garages, that are not used often, but must work when you need them.

In case you didn't get it from my first two sentences, buyer beware of the cells offered for sale here. The rest of my post is advice for alternatives.

condor422


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BigRedDogATL wrote:These batteries are only 2000 mah rated. That is low for a AA size rechargable. My Panasonic rechargable NiMH are 2300 mah rated. These won't last long before they need recharging, especially in high drain devices.



I don't know yet if it's true but a previous post some where said that Alkaline rechargeables at 2000maH are comparable to 2500maH NiMH batteries, so they should be as good if not better. Haven't had the first hand experience of that statement yet though so don't write it in stone.

kingofallreps


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10 Days to ship some batteries from Texas to California. Why is it every time I order from WOOT!, it takes half a month to get to me? I'm "Wooting" my disappearance, color me Amazon.

-KingOfAllReps

jnevil


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Staff

**Shipping Update**

iGo Green Battery Charger with 8 Rechargeable Batteries has completely shipped via FEDEX SMART POST. All tracking has already been emailed out. You can also find your tracking number by following this link and use your ORDER NUMBER as the reference number.

FEDEX TRACKING

kogaku


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jnevil wrote:**Shipping Update**

iGo Green Battery Charger with 8 Rechargeable Batteries has completely shipped via FEDEX SMART POST. All tracking has already been emailed out. You can also find your tracking number by following this link and use your ORDER NUMBER as the reference number.

FEDEX TRACKING



Whoah]!!!!! This must be some kind of record! Ours arrived yesterday, only TWO DAYS after shipping??? WOW!!!

Sadly, my wife only ordered two sets instead of three. Oh, well, that's the least of my worries at the moment. (Health is in the toilet, recently spent two weeks in the hospital and it's not looking real good.)

C'est la merde (and pardon my french).

Anyway, so far they seem to be working great -- I'm charging a mix of low self-discharge NiMH, "green" alkaline (the ones that came with these chargers), and, "primary" (use-once then discard) alkalines, and while I haven't had them running long enough to complete a charge, I checked and confirmed that they ARE charging, and, best of all, the "traditional" alkalines ARE charging, and are NOT leaking!

Also, quite pleased that the charging and monitoring is done on a per-cell basis, rather than -- as most of this type charger seems to require -- on PAIRS of cells. I despise being unable to pop in ONE cell to charge, so I am very pleased that THESE chargers have no such limitation.

IMO it's a bargain for the chargers alone. The batteries are just a bonus.

cvkealey


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I got these a couple days ago and just got to unbox them last night. I guess I should have done some homework before pulling the trigger because it turns out that they won't work for what I bought them for. Apparently, DSLRs (at least mine, a Pentax K2000) are a bit picky about batteries and won't even power up with these installed. I guess I'll use them for other things and keep using my trusty eneloops for the camera.

rfrogan


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Just got back from a trip and opened the box and found the two "new" chargers ordered had been slit open at the bottom. Anybody else notice this?

kogaku


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cvkealey wrote:I got these a couple days ago and just got to unbox them last night. I guess I should have done some homework before pulling the trigger because it turns out that they won't work for what I bought them for. Apparently, DSLRs (at least mine, a Pentax K2000) are a bit picky about batteries and won't even power up with these installed. I guess I'll use them for other things and keep using my trusty eneloops for the camera.



I have an older Pentax DSLR (K100D) which is a fantastic piece of gear, but it too demands batteries which can pump out much higher amperage than alkalines. As I recall it arrived with a set of alkalines which it warned were only sufficient to check out the camera and make sure it was operational. Sure enough, I got something like eight or ten shots out of them. They must have been very high output alkalines to function at all in that camera.

Lithium, NiMH, and NiCAD cells are capable of dumping MUCH higher amperage than alkalines (of same size, i.e. AA).

Even though an alkaline (of same size) may assert a higher MAH rating than an NiMH cell, the NiMH can deliver its output at a VERY high rate. A Q&D demonstration (with "Hold mah beer" and "Don't try this at home" warnings) is to simply short out an AA alkaline with a few inches of stout wire for a few seconds and see how warm it gets. It'll most likely get warm enough for you to confirm that it is indeed warming up a bit.

Then, try the same thing with a fully charged NiCD or NiMH (do NOT try it with a Lithium!!!), this time, wearing heavy work gloves (or, holding the wire in pliers). You probably won't want to touch the wire (which will probably be emitting smoke).

If you used a length of solder instead of copper wire, it will quickly melt when the current from ONE of the NiCD/NiMH AA cells is dumped through it.

(The reason you do NOT try this with Lithiums is because they tend to explode and then burst into flames which cannot be extinguished, as they fill the air with deadly fumes. I'm not making this up.)

Anyway, most digital cameras need batteries that can pump out VERY high current (amps) -- much higher than a similar-sized alkaline can provide (the caveat included because theoretically, someone could engineer a BIG alkaline, which, while being too large to fit in the camera, could deliver the necessary current to operate it).

That said, these cells work fine for me in high-power LED flashlights. And, I get the (as best as I can tell) same results when I recharge conventional (i.e., "non-rechargeable") alkalines in the chargers. I have had one case of leakage, but it was my own fault -- I inadvertently charged a dead alkaline that was already leaky around the base (argh!), which I'd intended to throw away, but somehow it got mixed in with the "good" dead alkalines I'd planned to recharge. Lesson learned!

kogaku


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cvkealey wrote:{snip}



PS: even though these batteries won't work in your camera, you can still use the chargers to recharge your NiMH cells. Being able to recharge a few more sets of batteries at the same time can be handy when you're pressed for time and need to top off several sets before heading out to your location.

tumtuminator


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great batteries and charger, now the batteries can only be recharged by this particular charger, but the charger can charge any rechargeable batteries. has indicator lights for each battery which makes it very easy to keep track of.

Sarah Hackman

feslope


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I have not received mine yet. Woot sent them to a wrong Zip code. They seem to be currently stuck in a post office for the last week and Woot will do nothing about it and will not issue me a refund. Good experiences until now and I really want these batteries.

Fred R. Elias, Jr.