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January has the big college bowl games, and March has its madness. But when it comes to sports, February is no slouch either. Since 2004, the Super Bowl’s been a February game. There’s the NBA All-Star weekend. Every four years, there’s even a February Olympics. There’s no Winter Olympics this year to brighten your February, so we’ve asked Jeopardy! mega-champ Ken Jennings to show off his jock side and throw a flag on some deeply cherished sports facts you thought you knew. Nobody takes more pride than sports fans in knowing their stuff—but as we’ll see, they’re not always right.

Sports Myth #1: In Baseball, the Tie Goes to the Runner

Everyone knows this, from Little League dads to aggrieved fans heckling major league umps. If the call is too close at a base to be sure, the runner’s safe, right? Well, not so fast, sports fans. Let’s take a look at the major league rulebook.

Rule 6.05 (j) states that “A batter is out when, after a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches he first base” (my italics). So in the case of a batter running to first, the tag has to get there before he does. A simultaneous arrival, then, would go to the runner. But wait! Just a few pages later comes Rule 7.01. “A runner acquires the right to an unoccupied base when he touches it before he is out.” So I guess in the case of the other three bases, it’s the other way around, and the runner needs to get there before the tag? In that case, the tie would go the fielder. We’ve figured it out. But then Rule 7.08 (e) messes everything up again: “Any runner is out when he or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base.”

So what have we learned? First, that the major league rulebook makes the tax code look simple and well-designed. Second, that both the tag and the runner have to get there before the other. The rules are silent on what to do if, heaven forbid, they happen in the same split second. Veteran crew chief Tim McLelland told MLB.com, “That is exactly right. There are no ties. . . . So you have to make the decision.” Tom Hanks once announced that there’s no crying in baseball. It turns out there’s no tying either.

Quick Quiz: In what game is a tie sometimes called a “cat’s game”? 

Ken Jennings is the author of Brainiac, Ken Jennings's Trivia Almanac, and Maphead. He's also the proud owner of an underwhelming Bag o' Crap. Follow him at ken-jennings.com or on Twitter as @KenJennings.

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jeffathomp


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I was at the game in the picture. It was one of the best I've ever seen.

I'm suddenly thinking of tic-tac-toe for some reason.

chellemonkey


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jeffathomp wrote:
I'm suddenly thinking of tic-tac-toe for some reason.



Yeah, I remember as a kid calling it a "cat" when we tied in tic-tac-toe.

Exick


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Even considering all three of those rules together, it still sounds like tie goes to the runner.

6.05 - "Out" = Tag applied BEFORE touching first.
7.01 - "Safe" = on the base BEFORE being "out"
7.08 - "Out" = Tag applied BEFORE touching base.

If 7.01 had said that a runner is safe if he was on-base before being tagged, that might be problematic. But they define safe in terms of out, which means that as long as the runner isn't out, then he's safe. Both rules for calling a runner out refer to the tag happening BEFORE touching the base, therefore if the tag happens at the same time, after touching the base or not at all, then the runner is safe.

sanctusreal


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Tic-Tac-Toe

radetski


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At clinics I've gone to for becoming a little-league / high school ump, they've explained it very simply - "Tie goes to the umpire. That's what they are paying you for."

whoiskenjennings


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Correct, a "cat's game" is a tic-tac-toe expression.

Exick: I did read 7.01 in line with your restatement of it ("runner is safe if he was on-base before being tagged") on the theory that "the runner is safe before he's out" is so tautological as to be meaningless. I'm not sure if your interpretation is the intended one or not, but it could be where the "tie goes to the runner" meme comes from, even if MLB umpires disavow it.

russ94


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Exick has it has it right. “A runner acquires the right to an unoccupied base when he touches it before he is out." If a tie, then by 6.05 (j), runner is never out and 7.01 does not apply in the "being called out" sense.

Exick


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whoiskenjennings wrote:I'm not sure if your interpretation is the intended one or not, but it could be where the "tie goes to the runner" meme comes from, even if MLB umpires disavow it.


I'm frankly not convinced that they had that intention either, but the rules as written appeal to my sensibilities on a Boolean level. "Here are the conditions that constitute OUT. That which is not OUT is SAFE." And all is right with the world.

I believe in the case of a tie, most umpires are expected to make a judgment call. Though, in practice it feels more like "artistic license". I know a lot of people aren't ok with that, but I am.

Jason Toon


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Here's how I always thought of it: the first baseman has a big glove extending from his hand, right? The runner doesn't have anything analogous extending from his foot.

So if it looks like the runner's foot touches the bag at the same time as the ball reaches the glove, that almost certainly means the runner reached base before the ball was really in the fielder's possession. An apparent "tie" - which isn't really a tie - means the runner got there first.

That's my logical contortion and I'm sticking to it.

kalee11


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Jason Toon wrote:Here's how I always thought of it: the first baseman has a big glove extending from his hand, right? The runner doesn't have anything analogous extending from his foot.

So if it looks like the runner's foot touches the bag at the same time as the ball reaches the glove, that almost certainly means the runner reached base before the ball was really in the fielder's possession. An apparent "tie" - which isn't really a tie - means the runner got there first.

That's my logical contortion and I'm sticking to it.



But then there would still be a time when the ball was really in the fielder's position and the runner's foot touched the base at the same time, but it would be after what most people would call a tie, so the runner would be out, which means the actual "tie" would go to the fielder. Whew!

davidbowser


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The fact that we can even have this discussion over rules which have been written and revised over 100 years is a testament to the game. After all the scandals, cheating, and nonsense, we still care about the game.

bigbrother0074


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davidbowser wrote:The fact that we can even have this discussion over rules which have been written and revised over 100 years is a testament to the game. After all the scandals, cheating, and nonsense, we still care about the game.



When did this discussion turn turn to be about religion?

LarryLars


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bigbrother0074 wrote:When did this discussion turn turn to be about religion?



Holy cow!


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Have you checked your Private Messages lately?

redspecial


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Tic tac toe, baby!

ertolsma


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davidbowser wrote:The fact that we can even have this discussion over rules which have been written and revised over 100 years is a testament to the game. After all the scandals, cheating, and nonsense, we still care about the game.



speak for yourself