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The music industry has a long history of taking what they want and apologizing later. No, we don't mean cover songs, because cover songs require attribution. What we mean is the not-so-honorable tradition of the swipe, those songs built from chopping up other songs and trying to sneak under the radar. Today Scott's picked five of his favorites from the swipe files. Maybe you know them already? He'll start with a song from a man often alleged to help himself to ideas, one Mr. Paul Simon:

El Condor Pasa (If I Could)

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This lovely flute-heavy Simon and Garfunkel ballad was actually composed by Alomia Robels but it's unfair to call it stolen. To Paul Simon's credit, he originally thought the song was public domain and was very polite about sharing the publishing when he found out it wasn't. Robles' son described the court case as almost friendly and both parties walked away smiling. But even if it was accidental… it's still a swipe.

And that's what we're looking at today! Inside you'll find a few more swipes, and, as always, just click on the image to enjoy the song we're discussing. Once you've read them all, feel free to add your own swipe candidates in the comments. See you after the jump!

 

The Lemon Song

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Now, it's hard to say someone's really stolen the blues. After all, the blues are supposed to evolve and build on what came before, and those basic notes that live near the heart are so primal, it seems everyone has the right to puzzle it out their own way. However, in the case of Led Zeppelin… well, when 100% of the legal songwriting credit goes to "Page/Plant" but the last words of the song send you to a pre-existing near-sound alike from Howlin' Wolf… I just gotta go with swipe.

 

My Sweet Lord

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This one is pretty well known, thanks to the case where a judge ruled George Harrison had infringed on The Chiffons by accident. However, the resolution of the case is kinda complex. See, the Beatles' old manager Allen Klein first represented Harrison in this case, then went out and bought the rights to "She's So Fine" right before the verdict came down. The result was that Harrison owed Klein the money, which turned Klein a nice profit (plus legal fees, most likely.) Obviously the court decided this was a jerk move and reduced the damages, so Klein didn't get as much as he'd hoped. When all was said and done, Harrison ended up with the rights to both hits, the songs stayed in print and everybody got some money… but even though he was a nice guy about it, it's still a swipe!

 

Come As You Are

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Kurt Cobain was hailed as a pop music genius, but you know what they say. "Talent borrows, genius steals." Compare Nirvana's pretty wobbly-water intro with this earlier song from Killing Joke. And yes, there was a lawsuit. Of course, after Cobain's death, it seemed a bit cruel to keep a lawsuit alive, so Killing Joke let it go and there was never a final verdict. Even still, a rumor says Dave Grohl might have played on Killing Joke's 2003 album for free, as a sort of apology for the whole affair. Naturally it's impossible to confirm, and since this is the music industry we're talking about, that rumor comes with a huge grain of salt. All one can be sure of is that the court of public opinion says… swipe!

 

Alone Again

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Of course there's a difference between a sample and a swipe, but I think this Biz Markie song is noteworthy because much of the fair use troubles lead back to Grand Upright Music, Ltd v. Warner Bros. Records Inc. Singer Gilbert O'Sullivan took offense that his one-hit wonder was sliced up without permission, and in the lawsuit that followed, royalties became something very different. Samples now had to be cleared well in advance, and almost overnight the world of hip hop became something a lot less mercurial. Today the track itself is no longer on any Biz Markie album and you can't even find it on the iTunes store. Because of that, we're saying it might have started as a playful homage, but it ended up… as a swipe.

Okay, now it's your turn. What swipes do you love, or maybe hate? Hit the comments and educate us, and don't forget to cite the originals! Then maybe join us in the Woot.com Music Monday Turntable FM room for some more music fun? We'd love to have you join our gang.



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wootvan


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Chuck Berry's Sweet Little Sixteen is all over The Beach Boys' Surfin’ USA.

motospyder


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Eric Carmen swiped "All By Myself" from Rachmaninoff almost note for note.

For Carmen's part, he did give some credit to Rachmaninoff.

khasut


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Old, but Kismet is just Borodin warmed over. With catchy lyrics!

Then again if we're going to include Classical Swipes, the list will be *ridiculous.* Weird Al and the Beer Song, that merits mention. And did Sting credit Prokofiev for Russians?

teenidol


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Q: If Nirvana owes Killing Joke an apology, who should Electric Six apologize to for their sped-up version of basically the same thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI
A: All of us.

see james-wilkins.com, or don't

erockrph


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I've always contended that Pearl Jam's "Yellow Ledbetter" is a big ripoff of "Little Wing".

For the old-school thrash fans out there, Death Angel's "The Ultra Violence" = "Tubular Bells"

marchollins


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Go to http://www.everythingisaremix.info for more examples. Also a fascinating look at why people "borrow" from other works and why trying to stop it stifles creativity. ( I am not affiliated with this site, I just think its awesome. )

NascarDad


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There is the guitar riff from Jumpin Jack Flash in the Kinks "Catch me now, I'm falling". But I still love that Kinks song

unpetitfou


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wootvan wrote:Chuck Berry's Sweet Little Sixteen is all over The Beach Boys' Surfin’ USA.



I believe that Chuck Berry recorded and released "Sweet Little Sixteen" in 1958. The Beach Boys released "Surfin' USA" in 1963, and the two artists now share a credit for the song.

bruceoite


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My favorite case of artists swiping from other artists is John Fogerty being sued for plagiarizing the song "Run Through the Jungle" with his new song "Old Man down the Road"

The issue was that Fogerty wrote both songs. He wrote Run when he was with CCR and Old Man during his solo career.

John won the court battle.

Slydon


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I also couldn't find the Andrew Lloyd Weber song I'm thinking of in time to include it, but it completely boosts from David Bowie's "Width of a Circle". However, Bowie then stole from Lloyd Weber's "Memories" in the chorus of his own "Absolute Beginners," which makes it sort of a tag-back, I guess.

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bluejester


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"Super Freak" and "Can't Touch This" almost immediately come to my mind.

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There is a recent, fairly nasty thing between Toby Keith and Robert Earl Keen wherein Keen has reason to believe that Keith swiped "The Road Goes on Forever" for "Bullets in the Gun." The controversy spawned (so far) not a lawsuit, but an "answer song" by Keen called "The Road Goes On and On."

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indacelio


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Vanilla Ice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s0hEi8zhmg

mndvs737


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Who can forget Vanilla Ice's defense of their "sampling" of "Under Pressure" for use in "Ice Ice Baby" - "we changed/added a couple of notes at the end of the riff, so it's not the same".

And just the other day I heard a teenager ask (in all seriousness) why V.I. let Queen sample his song. I almost blurted out loud "I don't want to live on this planet anymore."

dragonelli


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Where to start?
Jaws - Dvorak 9
Parts of Star Wars - Mahler 4

Biggest ones in rock music:
Coldplay ripping off Joe Satrianni. 100% the same melody, 99% the same chords, 100% the same rhythm. Its just in a different key. Painfully obvious.

Not to mention Metallica, in general.

dragonelli


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bluejester wrote:"Super Freak" and "Can't Touch This" almost immediately come to my mind.



That wasn't plagarism. That was sampling, with permission.

motospyder


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bluejester wrote:"Super Freak" and "Can't Touch This" almost immediately come to my mind.



Both "Super Freak" and "Can't Touch This" were written by Rick James and Alonzo Miller. That might be why there are similarities between the two.
Both great songs.

motospyder


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MNDVS737 said: "And just the other day I heard a teenager ask (in all seriousness) why V.I. let Queen sample his song. I almost blurted out loud "I don't want to live on this planet anymore."[/quote]

You showed amazing restraint. I believe my head would have imploded.

bluejester


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motospyder wrote:Both "Super Freak" and "Can't Touch This" were written by Rick James and Alonzo Miller. That might be why there are similarities between the two.
Both great songs.



Good point. And to the other poster too who mentioned that it was sampling. Man, I'm just not on my game at all this day.

klmonline


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Ummm... Dane Cook and Louis C.K.?

Okay, not music. But they are eligible for Grammy awards, so doesn't that count?

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When I think of these, I always think of the Bittersweet Symphony (The Verve) ordeal. This is a good video to watch discussing it.

@duncantwo on Twitter mentioned All by Myself ripping off Rachmaninov- very neat catch.

nparus


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dragonelli wrote:Where to start?
Jaws - Dvorak 9
Parts of Star Wars - Mahler 4

Biggest ones in rock music:
Coldplay ripping off Joe Satrianni. 100% the same melody, 99% the same chords, 100% the same rhythm. Its just in a different key. Painfully obvious.

Not to mention Metallica, in general.



Thank you for mentioning Coldplay. This is one of my biggest pet peeves about them. Just around the time this was getting into the press, the lead singer of Coldplay was quoted as saying something like "We like to steal ideas from other artists." That statement came back to bite him when they had to settle with Satrianni. I never liked Coldplay after that.

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CowboyDann


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A lot of the stuff I hear are based on Subtle Nuances that are barely there, so you can't really call them lifted. I'll try to remember some examples sumtime though.

Here is one though, I always though Modest Mouse kind of borrowed a tune from Red house Painters - Cabezon.

Like I said, it's never direct lifts, just glaring similarities with subtle differences.

Dhraakellian


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dragonelli wrote:Where to start?
Jaws - Dvorak 9
Parts of Star Wars - Mahler 4


Heh. I'm convinced that John Williams pulled from From the New World for more than just Jaws. Give the scherzo another listen and then check out Duel of the Fates again.

On the other hand, if we're going after modern-day artists ripping off the Classical (or Romantic era, if you want to be pedantic), why not go back to the Baroque? G.F. Handel was notorious for 'borrowing' from other artists. I don't think anyone really complains, however, since he apparently made it work pretty well.

And then you've got the likes of Palestrina swiping popular songs for their missa solemnis tunes way back in the Renaissance.

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Finger Eleven's Paralyzer sounds exactly like Led Zeppelin.

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I always thought that Robbie Dupree (Steal Away) ripped off the Doobie Brothers (What a Fool Believes)

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The Offspring "Why Don't You Get A Job" is eerily similar to The Beatles "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da".

LarryLars


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Ray Parker Jr's "Ghostbusters" stole from Huey Lewis & The News' "I Want A New Drug".


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WootBot wrote:...Singer Gilbert O'Sullivan took offense that his one-hit wonder was sliced up...



O'Sullivan WAS NOT a one-hit wonder! Where are you getting your info from? AOL? I suppose you believe Don McClean was a one-hit wonder.


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LarryLars wrote:O'Sullivan WAS NOT a one-hit wonder! Where are you getting your info from? AOL? I suppose you believe Don McClean was a one-hit wonder.



find me someone under the age of forty who knows his other stuff, i dare you

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Slydon wrote:find me someone under the age of forty who knows his other stuff, i dare you



Give me thy Lantern of Woot truth and I shall seek those you ask of. (are you implying the above stuff is just for the under 30/40 crowd? yeah, yeah, just the demographics ).


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arratik


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Big Long Now (from Incesticide) sounds more like Sister Europe by The Psychedelic Furs than Come as You Are sounds like Eighties.

Slydon


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LarryLars wrote:Give me thy Lantern of Woot truth and I shall seek those you ask of. (are you implying the above stuff is just for the under 30/40 crowd? yeah, yeah, just the demographics ).



No, I'm just saying that nobody ever plays "Clair" or anything else he did, to the point it might as well not even exist in the grand canon of hits. Obviously it might be different in Europe, but in America, he's essentially now a one-hitter.

But I do like "Vincent" more than "American Pie," if that helps.

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purgeme


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cant help but think of werewolf in london every time I hear that kid rock song.

Also the men at work take on the Kookaburra song.

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Cypress Hill - Hits from the Bong = Song of a Preacher Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfXQIVuywc