This is a first for me,I have never heard of a desktop with a external PS,and only 65 watts??.Wow,I can't even fantom that!!!!!I do know that this[Grandpa]and my wife[grandma]like a kickass desktop for everything,and for me ,gaming!!!

Where does Woot find these? I have never seen the internals of a desktop like this. No Internal power supply? No ventilation of any kind? Wow... a low powered laptop in a desktop case. Yes, a lawnmower engine driving a tractor trailer.

This does look like it was cobbled together from leftover parts and cases that were in some warehouse. But for a non-enthusiast of ANY age, one could write, work on basic web pages, check email, check news, etc. Toss on Libre Office and away you go.

Does this budget laptop in a desktop case include a monitor or battery?

Might be good for podcasting with such a quiet box. ...oops, I just saw the back and there is a fan....forget about it.

radi0j0hn wrote:Might be good for podcasting with such a quiet box. Find a copy of the old Adobe Audion 1.5 and away you go.

Yes, but this laptop-in-a-desktop doesn't even include wi-fi. Even the cheapest netbook at this price has video out for a full sized monitor and includes wi-fi. Heck, you could even add a USB keyboard and mouse to one.

Well, I did a little research and this actually got a pretty good review compared to other netbooks... performance wise and battery life compared to the Apple MacBook Air 11.6-inch and other netbooks in this class.

HP Pavilion dm1z See Review

egowhip69 wrote:Ack, 65 watt PSU? On a desktop??? That means NO add in cards... even a wireless card takes like 7 watts...

Even if it had more power, there are no slots available on the motherboard to plug in a card. The only things you can expand on this machine are the RAM and the hard drive.

Ditch case, copy HD to an SSD, add cellular modem USB stick, wire to automotive electrical system. Instant Win7 in-car computer.

jjessop wrote:If your looking for a refurbished Netbook motherboard, shoved into a giant case for some unknown reason AND you have money to burn, this is your deal!

Come on people, this is far far far far more powerful than a netbook! Yes, this is an excellent home theater machine. In fact judging from what's in it, it would make the perfect home theater solution. And! It only burns 65 watts! This is an excellent deal. I hate computer snobs that think everyone needs a Mac truck to move a bale of hay. This machine is great for 99 percent of everyone's needs. If your a gamer go elsewhere but even an occasional gamer will find this machine plays almost all of the current crop of games at reasonable settings. So all I can say is grow up computer nerds and realise that most of us don't need personal extension devices such as mustangs, 3000 dollar Japanese knives and in this case 8 core, multi terrabyte, 3000 core video card, 1000 watt power wasting monsters to make us feel powerful.

Peregrinari wrote:Come on people, this is far far far far more powerful than a netbook! Yes, this is an excellent home theater machine. In fact judging from what's in it, it would make the perfect home theater solution. And! It only burns 65 watts! This is an excellent deal. I hate computer snobs that think everyone needs a Mac truck to move a bale of hay. This machine is great for 99 percent of everyone's needs. If your a gamer go elsewhere but even an occasional gamer will find this machine plays almost all of the current crop of games at reasonable settings. So all I can say is grow up computer nerds and realise that most of us don't need personal extension devices such as mustangs, 3000 dollar Japanese knives and in this case 8 core, multi terrabyte, 3000 core video card, 1000 watt power wasting monsters to make us feel powerful.

Ummm, ok.

Hoser768 wrote:Ditch case, copy HD to an SSD, add cellular modem USB stick, wire to automotive electrical system. Instant Win7 in-car computer.

Lilliput makes PC computer systems for cars at excellent prices and I believe they include SSDs. Actually, the AMD E-450, the same mobile processor on this HP is their current flagship processor model.

Ringo4422 wrote:Well, I did a little research and this actually got a pretty good review compared to other netbooks... performance wise and battery life compared to the Apple MacBook Air 11.6-inch and other netbooks in this class.

HP Pavilion dm1z See Review

What??? This isn't a netbook, so unless you are ONLY talking about the processor. this make no sense. There is no "battery life" to compare.

radi0j0hn wrote:What??? This isn't a netbook, so unless you are ONLY talking about the processor. this make no sense. There is no "battery life" to compare.

This IS the motherboard on that HP netbook installed in THIS desktop case.

erick99 wrote:Nice reviews at epinion

Hard to put a lot of faith in a reviewer that is particularly impressed that it has an SD card reader on the front.

Anybody know how much money on power is saved with a 65 watt system vs whatever is standard? Assume you leave it on 50% of the time as you DL stuff, stream, etc.

Ringo4422 wrote:This IS the motherboard on that HP netbook installed in THIS desktop case.

Ok, so you you were referencing the board. Thanks for clearing that up. I wonder if this is a more "green" alternative due to the lower power?

wasatchcars wrote:I have never seen that on a desktop computer.
I think I will pass on this one.

Why? Have you seen gravity? My asus essentio desktop has an external power supply and it works fine, though it is the size of an xbox. you need to get out more, just because you haven't seen one doesn't mean it never existed before.
* the pc itself is the size of an xbox, not the power brick.

Ringo4422 wrote:Yes, but this laptop-in-a-desktop doesn't even include wi-fi. Even the cheapest netbook at this price has video out for a full sized monitor and includes wi-fi. Heck, you could even add a USB keyboard and mouse to one.

The lack of WiFi is odd, but I see ports on the back for regular monitors and the HD output as well. What do you mean by a "full sized" monitor?"

youngchow wrote:Best of both worlds: power of a laptop combined with the portability of a desktop!

I wanted to find a "Like" button to click on this post!

radi0j0hn wrote:Ok, so you you were referencing the board. Thanks for clearing that up. I wonder if this is a more "green" alternative due to the lower power?

Radiojohn, I am just bothered by companies selling off crap to unknowing individuals. To me it's like selling a car to someone knowing that the transmission is about to blow and just pass the junk off to someone else. This is very overpriced for what you get. If it included even a small 12" monitor and back up battery and wifi I would think it's fair, but not this. It is fooling people that it is a desktop when it is truly not.

drgandalf wrote:Hard to put a lot of faith in a reviewer that is particularly impressed that it has an SD card reader on the front.

Some day I'm going to write a sarcastic article about "opinion" sites. My fave was the person who bought a $79 sub netbook running WIN/CE (a PDA OS) and complained about how, on Christmas Day, her little girl was crying because it wouldn't play her favorite online games.

Speaking of odd OS ideas, would this thing be happy with some fairly standard version of Linux?

Ringo4422 wrote:Radiojohn, I am just bothered by companies selling off crap to unknowing individuals. To me it's like selling a car to someone knowing that the transmission is about to blow and just pass the junk off to someone else. This is very overpriced for what you get. If it included even a small 12" monitor and back up battery and wifi I would think it's fair, but not this. It is fooling people that it is a desktop when it is truly not.

A point well taken. OTOH, those of us who were weaned on DOS machines understand that, when you match the software to the capabilities of the unit, you get good performance. But you are right: I can go to any big box store today and get a better deal with WiFI, etc. Maybe $179.95 is a better price?

This is a real hoot:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/linux-computer-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive-now-available-for-preorder.ars

Vapor Hardware?

I just found this same thing on eBay for $249.99 + Free Shipping.

Suddenly, the Woot deal isn't so wooty anymore.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Pavilion-p2-1013w-AMD-FUSION-E450-1-6GHz-3GB-500GB-DVDRW-WIN-7-FREE-USB-WIFI-/300698007912#vi-content

youngchow wrote:
Best of both worlds: power of a laptop combined with the portability of a desktop!

drgandalf wrote:
I wanted to find a "Like" button to click on this post!

radi0j0hn wrote:Anybody know how much money on power is saved with a 65 watt system vs whatever is standard? Assume you leave it on 50% of the time as you DL stuff, stream, etc.

radi0j0hn wrote:Ok, so you you were referencing the board. Thanks for clearing that up. I wonder if this is a more "green" alternative due to the lower power?

An interesting question, and a bit hard to answer. 65 watts is not what the PS will draw all the time, its the maximum it is capable of supplying. What it draws at idle could be much lower.

Modern power supplies are pretty efficient, and they have been getting better. As an example, I got a new desktop 6 months ago. It has a power supply rated at 850 watts, but at idle, it draws only 49 watts, according to the readout from the UPS I use. The 7 year old computer it replaced drew 116 watts when it was idling, and it had a smaller power supply.

Around here, electricity costs $0.24 per kWhr. Running the current computer costs me about $10 a month, running 24hrs/day. Running the one Woot offers today would cost about $2.50, assuming it only draws half of the maximum the PS can supply, it is on 50% of the time and you pay the same outrageous price for power.

bennyfly wrote:ARRGGGHHHH!!!! Too good to be true. Sigh. Any recommended PC's for this. Something I can possibly find here. My dell just wont cut it. My search is pretty limited to about $500, if that.

i just put together a machine...bought the kit from circuit city. 8 GB ram, 1 TB hard drive, DVD burner, decent AMD processor, 450W PS (no OS, but i had a Windows 7 disc floating around...yes, they levitate nicely). all for $315 before rebates ($75 in rebates) and including shipping. no keyboard or mouse, no monitor. but everything went together easily, and it was a fun project with my son (bonding with my teenager/adult offspring). don't know if the offer is still good, though. i posted the item on deals.woot when it came up.

A friend of mine is looking for something really basic for her mom. This certainly fits the bill. However, is that 65w power supply a misprint? Will that even power this thing on? I don't think it's quite worth the price tag.

This must be some sort of joke. WOW. Even the very first E-machines had more to offer than this hunk of doodle poo.

What Tiny Flowers is this thing?

usanettom wrote:A friend of mine is looking for something really basic for her mom. This certainly fits the bill. However, is that 65w power supply a misprint? Will that even power this thing on? I don't think it's quite worth the price tag.

You could find a MUCH better desktop for the same price. Don't buy this crap.

jamarbrandon wrote:the AMD Radeon HD 6320 is and integrated card designed for laptop's

It's not an integrated card, it's part of the CPU chip, hence the term "APU" (Accelerated Processing Unit).

Although you might be able to find a couple of laptops with this chip in it, it's not really meant for them. It's meant for netbooks.

THIS THING IS BRILLIANT!!!!

It looks as though the HP technology integration people finally came up with a working solution to their overheating laptops.

That's not unnecessary empty space inside that oversized case... it's mandatory cooling space. And without a fan, probably just enough space to eek it past that pesky 90-day warranty period.

Having learned my lesson - now being the proud owner of a beautiful 17 inch HP fried laptop brick siting on my closet floor - before I'd ever consider purchasing this POS, I would have wanted to purchase the previous WOOT (Dyson fan) to use as a PC cooling fan.

radi0j0hn wrote:Anybody know how much money on power is saved with a 65 watt system vs whatever is standard? Assume you leave it on 50% of the time as you DL stuff, stream, etc.

There are a handful of variables like how much power it's actually drawing at any given moment and what your electric cost per KWh is. I can say that for me personally running 65watts for half a day every day would result in about $3 per month. If I had a box running most of the day for some reason and it only really had to be a simple PC, I could see this recovering it's own cost in 2 years or so.


If there are hard drive connection options this would be a great box to use as a custom NAS on a home network. I suppose even USB external drives would work. But I would have to compare the cost with what $299 would buy in an actual NAS type device. most of the lower priced ones I've tried though are extremely slow.

oldlostsoul wrote:THIS THING IS BRILLIANT!!!!

It looks as though the HP technology integration people finally came up with a working solution to their overheating laptops.

That's not unnecessary empty space inside that oversized case... it's mandatory cooling space. And without a fan, probably just enough space to eek it past that pesky 90-day warranty period.

Having learned my lesson - now being the proud owner of a beautiful 17 inch HP fried laptop brick siting on my closet floor - before I'd ever consider purchasing this POS, I would have wanted to purchase the previous WOOT (Dyson fan) to use as a PC cooling fan.

radi0j0hn wrote:

Speaking of odd OS ideas, would this thing be happy with some fairly standard version of Linux?

I'm sure it would be, but at the price for this one, it's a lot smarter to build a basic micro-ITX case unit for less money. The only saving grace for this unit is the Win7 license.

Recreating the same hardware to run Linux for less money is easy. Add the Win7 license and it gets difficult.

Not much of a deal.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+Refurbished+Pavilion+Desktop+-+3GB+Memory+-+500GB+Hard+Drive/5288788.p?id=1218629939414&skuId=5288788

Just saying.

Pays for itself in power savings in only 10 years.

radi0j0hn wrote:Anybody know how much money on power is saved with a 65 watt system vs whatever is standard? Assume you leave it on 50% of the time as you DL stuff, stream, etc.

Lets see...

65 watt vs 300 watt power savings...

Difference of 235 watts. Times 12 hrs / day is 470 watt-hours, times 365 days / year is 171550 watt-hours, or 171.55 kwh.

Say that the price of electricity is 12 cents per kwh, so savings in running this instead of a larger 300 watt machine is:

12 cents times 171.55 kwh or $34.31 per year

or $2.86 per month

or 10 cents per day.