WantaBOC


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Burning-Chrome wrote:Does anyone know if this comes with the CD's or DVD's to completely re-install the OS? I have had the problem before where a "new" machine comes completely loaded with Windows but if I ever have to re-install Windows, I cannot do that because no installation media came with the machine. Thanks...


It comes with a DVD burner and an app to create your own reinstall disks. Just like pretty much every other PC sold in recent memory. You have to create the disks yourself.


Burning-Chrome


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WantaBOC wrote:It comes with a DVD burner and an app to create your own reinstall disks. Just like pretty much every other PC sold in recent memory. You have to create the disks yourself.



Guess this tells you how old my most recent computer is then :-)

rebeltreble


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Burning-Chrome wrote:Does anyone know if this comes with the CD's or DVD's to completely re-install the OS? I have had the problem before where a "new" machine comes completely loaded with Windows but if I ever have to re-install Windows, I cannot do that because no installation media came with the machine. Thanks...



Already answered. I wasn't quick enough!

Signatures are harshing my mellow.

rebeltreble


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I have a different model of refurbished Samsung I bought off of Woot, but I've been incredibly surprised by the quality of laptop Samsung is putting out. They boot incredibly fast, look really sleek, have great quality video, and mine hasn't had any issues at all. It makes me want to stick with Samsung permanently for laptops.

Signatures are harshing my mellow.

k87


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This is almost comparable to my Asus N61J and I paid ~$800 for it less than fifteen months ago.

diplexer


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already answered

filetap


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Buyer BeWare stay away from this laptop. It has some decent specs and the AMD A6 can be overclocked but the wireless card is terrible. It has horrible throughput for an N card sometimes as little as 1.5mbits and it is a known issue with this computer. I had this machine until a few days ago when I sold it. I put another 4gb of ram in it and upgraded to a 7200rpm Western Digital Black hard drive and still had some performance issues with it as well. Just not worth the money. Sorry woot.

filetap


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filetap wrote:Buyer BeWare stay away from this laptop. It has some decent specs and the AMD A6 can be overclocked but the wireless card is terrible. It has horrible throughput for an N card sometimes as little as 1.5mbits and it is a known issue with this computer. I had this machine until a few days ago when I sold it. I put another 4gb of ram in it and upgraded to a 7200rpm Western Digital Black hard drive and still had some performance issues with it as well. Just not worth the money. Sorry woot.



One more thing it does come with an OS reintstall disk that is just the OS no drivers or software ect. Drivers are somewhat difficult to locate though.

MikeWeiner


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andrewlin77 wrote:The question is... will it run Diablo 3?



Not until tomorrow. ;)

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alyria


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I bought a similar one a few weeks ago, 17" and its fantastic! Its super quiet, I play games on it such as World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy 14, and lots of others and no issues with the graphics. Its really fast and saved me a ton for classes.

If its pretty much the same as the one I got at BestBuy, then its a great deal imo.

RichUrm


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No USB 3.0? I promised myself I wouldn't buy a new laptop without USB 3.0 included. On a desktop, you could just install an upgrade card, but that is much more difficult on a laptop.

RU

bRaven13


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The screen Resolution for this 15.6 inch laptop is the same as my HP Mini 311 (11 inch screen) At 15.6 inches it should have a MUCH better screen. I swear High-Def TV RUINED monitor resolution. I have a 15 inch latop from 8 years ago (pre-HD) that supports 1280x1024 that's over 260k more pixels than on this "modern" laptop. This 1366x768 screen is about a 1 mega-pixel sized screen.

Until I saw the resolution this looked like a GREAT deal.

mralphabet


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I imagine this would play Diablo 3 at lower detail fine, usually the recommended is for full detail.

healixzero


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So no one seems to be mentioning the following, so ill go ahead and do so:

The A6 is part of AMD's new "APU" line of processors. What this breaks down to is that there's a GPU sitting next to the CPU on the processor. When you add in a compatible "discrete" card, with a compatible Motherboard, they run in "CrossfireX" mode (more specifically, "Dual Graphics" mode) in which the synergy between both GPUs running together make them perform like a higher-spec card.

The thing is, though, that the HD 6520G is the GPU on the processor core, not a discrete card".
[http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-A6-Series%20A6-3420M.html] the "Notes" section here shows the association. So don't imagine that this laptop is going to have a better graphics card than the specs show. There's no discrete card, here, only the "onboard" card.

Another thing to consider is how the APU uses memory. Most video cards for desktops have fast memory on the card to feed the GPU. The APU does NOT. From what i understand, the APU is going to dedicated some of the Mobo RAM as "GPU" RAM, unless there's a discrete card to act as "Master", in which case the Processor's GPU is "slaved" to the Discrete card, and uses its memory, freeing up the system memory. 4GB is most likely NOT enough to run most games on anything other than low settings.

1.5GHz feels "slow", considering that most programs today don't make great use of multi-core processing ( the notable exception being OSes, which simply assign different programs to different cores, though each program is basically limited to a single core ). In a LOT of circumstances, having 2x2.0GHz cores is more useful than say 4X1.5GHz cores, simply because of the aforementioned core usage. Intel's i5 line has Turbo (basically auto-overclocking) when a core reaches full load) to help with this. Some processors have another core "help out" when a certain core hits max load, but then... you have that other core sitting idle until one core hits max (not efficient); this is also HARDWARE, not SOFTWARE, which means that the programmers didn't account for it. Running 2 cores in this way means a HUGE loss of efficiency, as more and more hardware is pulled from normal operation to handle these events.

In gaming, when we see multi-core recommendations for a game, it usually amounts to the game being written such that the main gameplay logic is on one core, a different core runs the audio thread, and another might run networking (especially on games with no dedicated server). Many newer games are like this, but... many games that came out between 1-4 years ago are NOT running this way, as the technology and mindset were new. Gaming took a while to make better use of these newly available resources. Even so, most games end up maxing out the load on the gameplay logic core, while the other get to about 50% max load. personally, I would want to see at LEAST a 2.0 GHz tri-core or better for anything that you want to play from 4-1 years ago, and a 2.0GHz quad-core for anything from the past year.

Forget about BF3, im not sure i'd want to play D3, Borderlands, or L4D on this machine (though admittedly i do like them running pretty). To me, even if you were willing to drop the cash on more RAM ( 8 is the max, unfortunately ) this still isn't anything more than a "it's better than nothing" gaming platform.

If you are set on gaming, then get more RAM, and consider a SSD, and an external Wireless N adapter, or simply decide not to play online, or to only play wired. Your'e going to be bottle-necked though, as the laptop doesn't have Gigabit Ethernet (in any form). Don't bother on a really expensive SSD, since its running SATA, limiting it to 3.0GB/s as opposed to the 6.0Gb/s we see on desktop Motherboards (though ANYTHING SSD will be leagues faster than the 5400 RPM drive).

mortiki


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so just because it isn't woot's normal HP ripoff now we have to overpay by 75.00 because it is a samsung? no thanks woot...and while i am on the ranting, my bag..of. carp was terrible

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kimos


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Anyone tell me how heavy the power brick is? I have an HP pavilon (well it's dead at the moment), where the unit weight is great to carry around, but the brick is huge. Kills the whole advantage of having a laptop.

sacornel


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I'll pass on this one. You can find new laptops at Walmart around this price.

trakkasure


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llocutus wrote:I have this exact model.... [stuff deleted] The CPU can go to 2.4GHz when you enable turbo core. [stuff deleted]



And when playing games at this frequency, you can percolate coffee rather quickly.

jymgardner


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All,

Thanks for the detailed info. I just have a simple question. Forgetting the gaming factor, is this a good deal for the price considering the specs? If not, what's a better deal in your opinion for about the same price?

Thanks again!

matthewcas10


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sacornel wrote:I'll pass on this one. You can find new laptops at Walmart around this price.



Yeah... It's amazing that they still sell Celeron M's.

hdantman


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What people are saying about the 6520G card not being good enough to game simply isn't true. Just do a search for 6520G on YouTube and you'll find that it is a VERY capable card, especially for an IGP. Intel HD 4000 doesn't compare, neither do any of the previous iterations of the llano platform. 4GB of RAM is more than enough for just about every game, though you will benefit if you're using ultra high texture resolutions if you have more than this in some games.

kramarpie


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Is this a Samsung factory refurbish? Does Samsung warranty it? Thanks for the feedback.

goetschj


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poor review. I would guesstimate that the 320 shaders provided in the graphics portion of this apu provides better graphics than 90% of the laptops out there including current generation intel ivy bridge cpus that are hundreds of dollars more. Its a 35 watt chip that provides frequencies up to 2400 mhz in TURBO mode so its only at 1500 mhz when its not doing much. i would be in for one if it was a 14 inch screen...

chris4132


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Also available NEW at Tiger Direct for $429. Add in $9 shipping, $0 tax in NY for total of $438. (12 Month Warranty)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1766274&CatId=4938

Or buy on Woot for $379, $5 shipping, and $30 tax in NY for total of $414 (3 Month Warranty)

So, for an extra $24 one can buy new rather than refurbished with an extra 9 months warranty... Still on the fence with this one.

jbigens


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I think I'd rather go with this
instead.

wootenator


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I'm getting this for my 16 yr old son. Will it run games pretty good. LIke world of warcraft, etc?

wootenator


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jbigens wrote:I think I'd rather go with this
instead.



Your lenovo weighs 2 pounds more and has a worse graphics card.

stoikossavage


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Cinders00 wrote:What's so terrible about the resolution? I use my 32" lcd tv as a monitor with 1366x768 resolution, and it isn't that annoying. Do you really really need a 1080p screen on something that small?

Monitor resolutions are starting to feel like the old megapixel wars with cameras. Also, it'll just make your video card work harder for a negligible difference. :\



Hi, I bought a 32" HDTV for the purpose of using as a monitor. I don't game. And I'm in the market for a machine. Also, I'm not very smart. So I hooked it up to my old crappy laptop and it's ok, but I want to get the resolution so windows is small, like on a normal monitor. Does this machine have what I need? Also, my current setup is using VGA, will HDMI fix my situation? Thank you!

mac daddy1


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chris4132 wrote:Also available NEW at Tiger Direct for $429. Add in $9 shipping, $0 tax in NY for total of $438. (12 Month Warranty)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1766274&CatId=4938

Or buy on Woot for $379, $5 shipping, and $30 tax in NY for total of $414 (3 Month Warranty)

So, for an extra $24 one can buy new rather than refurbished with an extra 9 months warranty... Still on the fence with this one.



Why the $30 tax in New York? Woot is out of Texas.

rarson


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salvato99 wrote:Every AMD processor I've ever owned ends up getting hot and shutting my computer. Both desk top and notebook. Will never buy them again. Their is a reason Apple doesn't use them.



Sounds like a load of bull to me. Ever since I started building computers about 2 decades ago, I've used a variety of AMD and Intel processors, and neither brand have been any more problematic than the other. Chances are you just buy cheap crap, because cheap crap will overheat regardless of the processor they use.

speedyink


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"Every AMD processor I've ever owned ends up getting hot and shutting my computer. Both desk top and notebook. Will never buy them again. Their is a reason Apple doesn't use them."

Apple used ATI before they used Nvidia years ago.

okawesome


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I bought this laptop from Best Buy for my wife for Christmas. It is a really solid computer and we have been happy with it. It is slightly cheap and light feeling but we have had no problems with the build quality, unlike her previous laptop, a Dell Inspiron 1525 which felt like a tank but every component seemed to fail in it.

The off center trackpad took a little getting used to. My wife is an engineer and loves having the number pad. It does the 2 finger multitouch swipe scrolling that I have always enjoyed in MacBooks, as well. It had a single 4GB stick of RAM and a second slot, so we added another 4GB to max it out at 8GB.

Overall I would highly recommend it vs. other laptops I have seen at this price point.

rarson


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healixzero wrote:From what i understand, the APU is going to dedicated some of the Mobo RAM as "GPU" RAM


Yes, and this has already been discussed.

unless there's a discrete card to act as "Master", in which case the Processor's GPU is "slaved" to the Discrete card, and uses its memory, freeing up the system memory.


No. Separate GPUs do not access each other's RAM. Running CrossfireX will still use system RAM if the APU is configured that way (some APUs use dedicated sideport RAM).

4GB is most likely NOT enough to run most games on anything other than low settings.


At this resolution? It's enough to run quite a few games at medium settings.

1.5GHz feels "slow"


1.5 GHz is the base clock speed. When the CPU is taxed, it turbos to a faster speed.

considering that most programs today don't make great use of multi-core processing


That's the beauty of TurboCore: when you're not able to use as many cores, the clock speed can increase.

Multithreading is entirely dependent upon the individual programs you're using. Many applications can use 2 cores, some can use 4 or more, and some remain single-threaded. It entirely depends upon what software you're using whether or not the extra cores get used.

More importantly is the fact that GPU acceleration is much more prevalent today than it used to be, so if you do things like watching Youtube videos, the extra GPU grunt will be beneficial.

Intel's i5 line has Turbo (basically auto-overclocking) when a core reaches full load) to help with this.


All of AMD's APUs do this as well. They also have useable graphics, which is something Intel's CPUs lack.

In gaming, when we see multi-core recommendations for a game, it usually amounts to the game being written such that the main gameplay logic is on one core, a different core runs the audio thread, and another might run networking (especially on games with no dedicated server).


False.

If you are set on gaming, then get more RAM...


If you're set on gaming, then why are you buying a laptop? Nobody is considering this for their main gaming rig. If you want a cheap laptop with enough grunt for light gaming, an AMD APU is your only bet. Period.

unlikely


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Computer then Camera then TV-gadget then Vacuum... then random thingy every other rotation...

I haven't got the hang of the rotation so I'm fuzzy where the "random weird sharper image thingamajig" comes in.

Is that tomorrow, or is tomorrow some kind of camera and THEN the random thingamajig?

li200


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mac daddy1 wrote:Why the $30 tax in New York? Woot is out of Texas.



Woot is now Amazon, and NY has the 'Amazon tax' - legislation passed specifically to make Amazon charge tax for NY residents even though they don't have a physical presence here.
Since Amazon acquired Woot, they charge tax in a lot more places.

SinnFein


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My daughter's laptop is a piece of junk and whether she wants it or not, I am getting her a new one.

I was looking at this model over at the egg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834158223

After the coupon code, it's the same price as the Samsung but has 4 USB ports, two of which are USB 3.0, but the processor is a bit slower.
Hard drive is bigger, though...

Tough call. Also looking at some other models. Trying to keep the cost down, as I gotta spend a bunch of money on other things for her in the near future.

thelightguy


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Cinders00 wrote:What's so terrible about the resolution? I use my 32" lcd tv as a monitor with 1366x768 resolution, and it isn't that annoying. Do you really really need a 1080p screen on something that small?

Monitor resolutions are starting to feel like the old megapixel wars with cameras. Also, it'll just make your video card work harder for a negligible difference. :\



At 32" that's less than 50 pixels per inch... are you blind?

Half-HD is not acceptable for anything other than, say, video games and netflix, unless you're looking at, say, a mobile phone interface.

1600x900 is about the lower limit of usefulness for a 15" screen, IMO, and it's not that hard to find.

wesone52


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i see this is wireless capable but doesn't say if it has wifi

terminatorgir


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If you are planning on using a laptop for gaming then a cooling pad is a must. I mean a good cooling fan, you will probably need to put another $25 dollars to get one, make sure it has a big fan that can move a lot of air. If you don't then your computer will get very hot and will get slower and slower over time and it will die much sooner than it would have normally. I'd recommend installing a windows 7 gadget program to keep track of your core and graphics card temps as well to make sure they are not super high for prolonged periods. Just my 2 cents! I use a Cooler Master

mac daddy1


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li200 wrote:Woot is now Amazon, and NY has the 'Amazon tax' - legislation passed specifically to make Amazon charge tax for NY residents even though they don't have a physical presence here.
Since Amazon acquired Woot, they charge tax in a lot more places.


Good to know. Now if Facebook goes public, how long before these states figure out how to tax Facebook?