What a beautiful picture of a horse...

not a monarch

Well, it sure has the oomph and Ps that I need. My only concern is with refurbished. I'd rather have a contingency plan in place. Is there Squaretrade on this to ease my troubled mind?

LOOK AT THAT HORSE!

oh, didn't notice the link in the product listing. My posting was superfluous.

Best price i've found is on amazon for a hundred more, even refurbished: link!

EDIT: not to mention the small fortune alone in shipping costs. yay smartpost!

Apparently, anything over 32" you can notice the difference between 1080p and 720p. Which makes TVs 32" and below the same from ~6 feet away.

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Not for me, I'm starting to dislike the Phillips products I've bought on Woot. I took a few refurb chances, non Phillips and feel like I'm ahead of the game. I'm not in the mood to gamble tonight on another LCD TV when all the others work just fine.

I know this won't get me a quality post rating. I don't have a link with the name of it within the html quick enough to.

For the very first time in many years, I'm getting disgusted with Woot for many reasons.

This is not a good deal.

yeawuteva wrote:what is the "p" in 1080p? and can the average person tell the difference between 1080p vs. 720p?

So the p stands for progressive as in the pixel lines on the TV are loaded progressively which is much better then when it used to be I or interlaced which means a line on the left loads while a different line loads from the right. The thing that most people don't know about 1080p and 720p is that you can only get 1080p from blu ray movies or upscaled dvds. When you are watching a show on TV that says HD it is actually only 720p which means getting 1080 while only watching television is pretty useless. The only issue is if you upgrade to 1080 your not just paying for 1080 your paying for an increased contrast ratio. So now the question is can someone notice a difference in contrast ratio, the answer is yes to a certain point. I will tell you right now that a contrast ratio of 29,000;1 is horrible in a 47 in even for an lcd. A 42-50 in plasma or led will have a contrast ratio of around 2-3 million to one. Plus the average contrast ratio on a higher end brand LCD will be at least 75 thousand to one.

It seems like a decent deal but it's 60 htz and not 120 at least.

@mixchelle can you give more specifics? I've been shopping 47-52" HDTVs to replace my vizio 37 and was about to jump at this deal until I saw your comment - I've had no trouble with the DVD player I got here from philips (my only experience)

What , in general, has been people's experience with dead pixels on the refurbished LCD tv's that are frequently offered here? I cannot abide dead pixels.

The earlier link was to a marketing brochure. Here's the manual and the quick start guide.

yazanh28 wrote:So the p stands for progressive as in the pixel lines on the TV are loaded progressively which is much better then when it used to be I or interlaced which means a line on the left loads while a different line loads from the right. The thing that most people don't know about 1080p and 720p is that you can only get 1080p from blu ray movies or upscaled dvds. When you are watching a show on TV that says HD it is actually only 720p which means getting 1080 while only watching television is pretty useless. The only issue is if you upgrade to 1080 your not just paying for 1080 your paying for an increased contrast ratio. So now the question is can someone notice a difference in contrast ratio, the answer is yes to a certain point. I will tell you right now that a contrast ratio of 29,000;1 is horrible in a 47 in even for an lcd. A 42-50 in plasma or led will have a contrast ratio of around 2-3 million to one. Plus the average contrast ratio on a higher end brand LCD will be at least 75 thousand to one.

After saying all this I realized that this may seem like I am condemning this TV, but I would still probably recommend it for someone who was looking for a cheap TV that will satisfy your needs. I have no problem suggesting a refurbished TV and on top of that this is an incredible price for a 47in. Especially since if your thinking about getting a mid range 40in it will cost you the same at any retailer, and that not counting tax and shipping. If you just want a TV and aren't obsessed with high quality picture this is a pretty good tv, at a wonderful price.

yeawuteva wrote:what is the "p" in 1080p? and can the average person tell the difference between 1080p vs. 720p?

Really? You don't HONESTLY know all this by now? And you want to beat this dead-horse of a conversation AGAIN? Okay:

P = Progressive. As opposed to interlaced. the P basically means the pixels are all displayed simultaneously whereas interlaced lines of resolution are displayed alternating frames, effectively cutting resolution in half, but too fast for the eye to really notice.

And depending on the person, and the usage. As a computer monitor, yes you can notice a huge difference as you can view more at one time. On Sunday watching sports? I'd hope the game would be more interesting than the resolution, so no, you won't really notice. NEXT!!!

This is the same price I paid for my 32" 720p Samsung last summer. Jealous, but thats technology.

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oh, just noticed no VGA monitor input - no thanks. why, philips?

bradakovich wrote:Apparently, anything over 32" you can notice the difference between 1080p and 720p. Which makes TVs 32" and below the same from ~6 feet away.

Many LCDs are used as computer monitors nowadays. So 1080p is a huge step up in desktop space in that regard.I don't know that a 47 inch monitor would be good for neck-strain, however.

jgmcgowan wrote:This is the same price I paid for my 32" 720p Samsung last summer. Jealous, but thats technology.

Samsung TVs are like the Cadillacs of the LCD world. I am willing to bet that their prices on their 32 inchers aren't much lower than what you paid, currently. That being said, here's an article that just came out about how TV prices are supposed to fall towards the holidays do to too much supply, too little demand. You're welcome.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/home-theater/lcd-glut-means-hdtv-prices-to-plummet-this-holiday-season/4081?tag=nl.e539

Average price for this tv is $1000-2000, this is a serious woot, glad i bought this before i checked the price cause i probably would have bought 2 for $500 a piece lol. Thats the same price i paid for my 32" i'm watching right now

wizpig64 wrote:Best price i've found is on amazon for a hundred more, even refurbished: link!

EDIT: not to mention the small fortune alone in shipping costs. yay smartpost!

But check the reviews on Amazon. One guy had big problems.

bj02454 wrote:oh, just noticed no VGA monitor input - no thanks. why, philips?

Most newer video cards, and motherboards have HDMI ports on them. If not they really should have DVI, and the DVI to HDMI adapters are almost free on sites like www.Merritline.com.

Same price here once you ship it. Hmmm...

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Nice reviews at Walmart

NightGhost wrote:Amazon

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Dammit, I missed your 1,000 mark! I hope it was good!

I bought this new from Walmart for $599 (free shipping) two months ago...it is a decent television for the money.

One warning- the stand that is shown is pictured backwards. The longer side is actually in the front which is a drag for those putting this television in an entertainment center as you have to put it further back than you would like to.

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acowman wrote:What a beautiful picture of a horse...

I almost peed a little when I saw this. Well done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5woNs9WRE

I bought this exact same model almost 4 years ago. It still has great color.
You do realize this model has been on the market 6 years.
Look on the Amazon link, where it says "Date first available on Amazon. September 14, 2004.
It's a great TV. Of course it was close to $2000 when I bought it. So, if you're wondering about durability, this things going on 5 years and hasn't needed a service call in all the years I've owned it.

bj02454 wrote:oh, just noticed no VGA monitor input - no thanks. why, philips?

Most modern PCs / laptops have a DVI out, which uses the same signal (digital) as the HDMI interface. If you have DVI out on your video card, you can buy a DVI to HDMI adapter for around $5 online and use that.

The cool thing about this is that most newer ATI cards (not sure about Nvidia) actually have on-board sound that can be output via the DVI -> HDMI connection, so all you need is an HDMI cable connected to your computer for both audio and video feed (this assuming that the ATI drivers work fine and your receiving device isn't weird). It works on my ancient 32" Olevia, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't on this set.

Something I missed in the description (it's in the product detail) is the 60Hz, which is decent enough for most TV and movie viewing; if you plan to do a lot of gaming however, look around for a 120Hz LCD or LED-LCD set instead, there's a visible difference between the two. Don't bother with the 240Hz, it's mainly just a marketing thing that has little to no real impact.

I just last week paid over 1500 for the 52 inch version of this TV and must say that i am completely and 100% THRILLED with the performance and video quality! I have been watching blu-rays and playing video games on this none stop since hooking it up! Everyone who has at least 3 rooms in their home (including bathroom) should buy 3!

yazanh28 wrote:So the p stands for progressive as in the pixel lines on the TV are loaded progressively which is much better then when it used to be I or interlaced which means a line on the left loads while a different line loads from the right. The thing that most people don't know about 1080p and 720p is that you can only get 1080p from blu ray movies or upscaled dvds. When you are watching a show on TV that says HD it is actually only 720p which means getting 1080 while only watching television is pretty useless. The only issue is if you upgrade to 1080 your not just paying for 1080 your paying for an increased contrast ratio. So now the question is can someone notice a difference in contrast ratio, the answer is yes to a certain point. I will tell you right now that a contrast ratio of 29,000;1 is horrible in a 47 in even for an lcd. A 42-50 in plasma or led will have a contrast ratio of around 2-3 million to one. Plus the average contrast ratio on a higher end brand LCD will be at least 75 thousand to one.

1- like everything sold is 1080p at this point regardless of size.
2- contrast ratio has no standard but basically means do blacks look black. in this area lcd sucks plasma is good. new led tvs look just as good.
3- satellite is airing some shows in true 1080p and fiber (i.e FIOS) probably does too.

Kanabis wrote:1- like everything sold is 1080p at this point regardless of size.
2- contrast ratio has no standard but basically means do blacks look black. in this area lcd sucks plasma is good. new led tvs look just as good.
3- satellite is airing some shows in true 1080p and fiber (i.e FIOS) probably does too.

Well all LCD's are you can still get a 720p Plasma. And yes there is not standard for contrast ratio, but in general a low contrast ratio means the blacks don't look as dark as they should and the whites don't look as white, which affects shadowing and lighting in images which is a big deal when it comes to realism. You know I have heard that same thing about Satellite airing 1080p and that's is incredible, but it doesn't matter too much since idk any companies that film in 1080p maybe 1080i. I guess Discovery might, I am not too sure.

Not quite sure what you are trying to say here, ATSC broadcasts (think rabbit ears), cable broadcasts, and satellite broadcasts come in 480i (NTSC-SDTV), 480p(EDTV), 720p(HDTV), and 1080i(HDTV). Whatever panel you choose has a native resolution that generally falls into the 720p range (1280x720, 1366x768, etc) or 1080p range (1920x1080). Any content that is broadcast in 720p or 1080i is considered HD. Using film mode and proper de-interlacing, many 1080i broadcast shows can be displayed on your HDTV as full 1080p.

Further, contrast ratio has nothing to do with the screen resolution (720p vs. 1080p), and more to do with sub-pixel design, backlight technology, and other factors. Most advertised "Contrast Ratios" should be taken with a VERY LARGE grain of salt, as they do not represent real world viewing conditions, and are just marketing jargon.

You may also want to check out a wiki article on how interlaced signals are drawn. Interlaced means that every other line is broadcast in every other field. This means that every 1/59.94th of a second, you will either receive all the odd lines, or even lines of the image on the screen. Lines of video are always drawn from left to right, and top to bottom (some exceptions for MPEG encoded content). 1080i signals are definitely HD and are used by many major networks.

When a show presented in 1080i, the display will de-interlace the 60 fields a second into a 1080p (60 frames per second) signal to fill you 1080p display. This means that anything that is broadcast in 1080i will have to be downscaled to be displayed on a 720p set (meaning that you will lose information).

I am not trying to dog on you, I am just a Electrical Engineer who works in the pro A/V market (video scaler deign) and do not like to see any miss-information being propagated to my fellow Wooters

yazanh28 wrote:So the p stands for progressive as in the pixel lines on the TV are loaded progressively which is much better then when it used to be I or interlaced which means a line on the left loads while a different line loads from the right. The thing that most people don't know about 1080p and 720p is that you can only get 1080p from blu ray movies or upscaled dvds. When you are watching a show on TV that says HD it is actually only 720p which means getting 1080 while only watching television is pretty useless. The only issue is if you upgrade to 1080 your not just paying for 1080 your paying for an increased contrast ratio. So now the question is can someone notice a difference in contrast ratio, the answer is yes to a certain point. I will tell you right now that a contrast ratio of 29,000;1 is horrible in a 47 in even for an lcd. A 42-50 in plasma or led will have a contrast ratio of around 2-3 million to one. Plus the average contrast ratio on a higher end brand LCD will be at least 75 thousand to one.

How does this TV stack up to the 52 inch Sanyo LCD they had last week?

By the way guys, I love the QVC horse-guy reference. Way to go

These are garbage. They randomly turn off and on all on their own, they get a green line down the middle when watching high def. I bought one, and Philips wouldn't honor the warranty because the TV still turned on and had a picture. Albeit not the picture I had paid for!