stugoldstein wrote:OK I'm glad to see this receiver is available again and I'm ready to buy. Cut and Paste- rhetoric- whatever at least Onkyo is here. What receiver do you own and why are you commenting on a receiver you do not own....
Before that, Onkyo. Before that, Technics. Before that, a really old Technics. My brother rolls with vintage Marantz and some even more vintage stuff I don't even pretend to get. My cousins, who got me into music, are Pioneer and Sony guys, respectively. It's not my first trip to the rodeo.
The fact is other brands are NOT having problems of the magnitude reported for this device. When you see this many refurbs it indicates a flawed design.
We have had posts in the past discussing the quality of the caps on the HDMI boards (or lack thereof). I understand a budget line can't use top of the line components, but when you create a product or situation in which your lesser components fail by design, that is BAD DESIGN. Plenty of companies use comparatively weaker parts, only they try to do it in places where the parts can succeed. Even football coaches do that.
Yay for Onkyo coming on here and talking. CS is a strength and we can all agree on that now. It does not, however, outweigh the fact that they NEED that CS just to cover up for miscues in the design.
People are complaining because Onkyo used to be spoken in the same breath as Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, Harman Kardon and Yamaha, and now they are...woot refurb deals. Go and try to find ANY of those other brands with problems of this magnitude. I've tried.
Maybe the next Onkyo model will be the one to rule them all; if it is I'd consider it. This model and its derivatives are verifiable duds, and disturbingly, that trend carried over from last year.
What I want to see that Onkyo rep post are some statistics that indicate WHY these are factory refurbs. Maybe it was a one time thing. For now, I have to doubt it.