MinistrOfJustiz wrote:
You're complaining about the junker you got for free? there are reasons those things go in the Bifurcated Oral Cavities.

No, def not complaining, just stating! ;) The $1299 profit off that TV helped me to get the beautiful 1080p DLP I now call home!

DJ69 wrote:

Better says who? You?
Todays plasmas DO NOT have the burn in isues as they did years ago.
Try to keep up with the times ;)
Only an idiot can make burn in happen.

Not true. Channels like the History Channel have their symbol at the bottom. It stays there constantly, other than commercials. However, Most Plasmas have a way you can
"white out" the burn, which basically, and hopefully, erases it. Espn is the same way. I constantly have to use the white out function.

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DJ69 wrote:

Better says who? You?
Todays plasmas DO NOT have the burn in isues as they did years ago.
Try to keep up with the times ;)
Only an idiot can make burn in happen.

My father in law has a Samsung 42" Plasma he got at WorstBuy 9 months ago (is that considered "todays plasma"?) If you watch any sports game on it and then change the channel, the tickers, etc still show faintly on the screen. Granted, they fade away, but "burn in" doesn't have to be permanent to be a detriment.

One benefit of buying a "monitor" and a separate standalone ATSC tuner is that if either the screen or the tuner goes bad, or if you want to upgrade either one later on, you can do so without having to pay for both!

I got this 42" TV/monitor back in November as an Open Item at Best Buy for $999. It was on display there, so I had the unusual opportunity to evaluate the exact model I would purchase =)

One of the key features to me was that it did NOT have an ATSC tuner that I would never use! I didn't want to pay an extra $100+ for a component I would never need. I get my TV signal from a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD cable box which outputs at 1080i just fine, and works as an HD DVR to boot. If a lack of tuner is the only reason you are holding back, just get a standalone ATSC tuner (google for standalone ATSC tuner), but really the only reason you need a tuner is if you plan to pickup TV signals off an antenna.

I've not evaluated the sound quality, as my sound is hooked up through an external amp/reciever/switch that outputs 5.1, so I don't even use the internal audio.

The 360 and Wii look great on it (especially with component cables), and since it's not a plasma screen, I never have to worry about burn-in from extended gameplay. I can read the text in high res games and the response time is great, i've never noticed it having any display lag that used to be a problem on LCDs several years ago.

A few minor caveats:
- Some people will probably not like the black level. This is an inherent problem with LCDs, but I've heard that newer, more expensive LCD screens mitigate this problem better than the Westy. If you're a videophile, you'll probably be bothered by this when watching a dark movie in a dark room. I noticed this at first after swtiching from a CRT, but it never bothered me, and now I don't notice it anymore. One of the "bright sides" to this is that it's an exceptionally bright screen, and performs well even when watched in a room illuminated with tons of sunlight (which plasmas have a problem with).
- It seems to require very precise pointing of the remote control to know you pushed a button on the remote. It's almost like the IR sensor is behind a tunnel or something. It's not much of a problem for me anymore since I only used the remote for turning it on/off and after enabling DMPS it turns itself on automatically when it gets a signal and off a minute after no longer getting one.
- I've seen some people complain in the AVS forums about the HDMI being a bit glitchy with some equipment (mostly the PS3), but I use component for everything (switched throught the receiver), so I've not had to deal with this.

These being the only flaws, I still think it's a bargain. At least at the time I did research back in November, this seemed like the sweet spot in the LCD HDTV market (the most bang for the buck), and I doubt it has changed much in the past few months.

PS: Discovery HD channel is awesome =)

burnsk73 wrote:

Yes fool. My LG DOES support 1080. Funny you call me a troll when you have less Woots, less posts, and have been here for less amount of time than me. Now, you move along, TROLL. Better yet, go play in traffic. Dumbass.

You don't have a 1080p plasma. I promise you that. I understand your TV accepts a 1080p signal. It just doesn't come close to resolving it at 1080p. Mmmk?

DJ69 wrote:

I never said DLP's were "troublesome" I said they were the lowest order of HD.
The viewing angle SUCKS, rainbow effects and bulb replacement all work against a DLP set.
Again, its a poor mans HD set. Nothing wrong with it if you are on a budget.

Viewing angle on current DLPs is only an issue vertically, horizontally they are fine. In my situation, most people watching my TV are sitting down. Now, for things like Wii sports where you are up and about, and maybe closer to the screen, it might be an issue.

Rainbow effects are 1) specific model related, 2) only able to be seen by certain eyes, and 3) still an issue with the LCD-based sets (SXRDS)?, No.

Bulb replacement - if you use the difference between plasma and DLPs and spend it all on bulbs, the DLP should last as long or longer than the plasma, with constant "refreshers" to new quality picture versus a constantly fading plasma.

pixelbender wrote:

My father in law has a Samsung 42" Plasma he got at WorstBuy 9 months ago (is that considered "todays plasma"?) If you watch any sports game on it and then change the channel, the tickers, etc still show faintly on the screen. Granted, they fade away, but "burn in" doesn't have to be permanent to be a detriment.

What you are describing is called IR (image retention)
And yes, some stations have a horrible logo!
I have not had any issues myself, maybe it's related to that Samsung.
But yeah, sure, if you leave a channel on long enough with a still logo/picture you will get IR. BUT it will go away.
LCD's also have IR ;)

gcadidas13 wrote:What kind of gaming (if any) do you do on it? And if so, what kind of video card do you have?

I just built a new PC with a 7600GT (previous PC had a 9600SE), but I don't do much PC gaming. My 360 gives it quite the workout at 1080p (via component or VGA) though.

mrw0nka wrote:

You don't have a 1080p plasma. I promise you that. I understand your TV accepts a 1080p signal. It just doesn't come close to resolving it at 1080p. Mmmk?

I understand that now, and it could have been easily corrected. However, that guy started the insults with me. There are others that corrected me and there have been no problems. Read the thread.

pixelbender wrote:

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Speaking of games, Command and Conquer, Tiberium Wars. HIGHLY recommend.

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pixelbender wrote:

Viewing angle on current DLPs is only an issue vertically, horizontally they are fine. In my situation, most people watching my TV are sitting down. Now, for things like Wii sports where you are up and about, and maybe closer to the screen, it might be an issue.

Rainbow effects are 1) specific model related, 2) only able to be seen by certain eyes, and 3) still an issue with the LCD-based sets (SXRDS)?, No.
Bulb replacement - if you use the difference between plasma and DLPs and spend it all on bulbs, the DLP should last as long or longer than the plasma, with constant "refreshers" to new quality picture versus a constantly fading plasma

.

Good points:
I still do not like DLP sets they give me a headache.
LCD's have ghosting issues.
Plasma sets are rated at 60000 hours until half bright.
Do the math. I think you will have a new TV by the time it is unusable ;)

DJ69 wrote:LCD's have ghosting issues.

This LCD does NOT have ghosting issues.

DJ69 wrote:

Good points:
I still do not like DLP sets they give me a headache.
LCD's have ghosting issues.
Plasma sets are rated at 60000 hours until half bright.
Do the math. I think you will have a new TV by the time it is unusable ;)

AGREED on that last post! LOL, I go through electronics like seasonal clothing.

But for me, that is another plus. I'd just assume save the money up front with the DLP considering I'll probably only have it for 2-3 years tops. Again, for me, IR is a nuisance that I don't have with DLP. I've owned an LCD, CRT, and DLP HDTVs. The LCD gave me ghosting but no IR, the CRT plainly kicked arse in all depts but was big depth wise, and the DLPs I have been the most happy with (my watching is about half TV shows I watch on a regular basis like House and half movies, all with a nice surround system). The plasma TV experience I have is with the father in law, which I already stated is re: image retention (and it seems to put out a lot more heat that other types of TVs).

To the noobs quoting that Best Buy is selling the same model for $999...

BREAKING NEWS: IT'S NOT THE SAME MODEL!

It's the budget W4207 that only displays 720p @ 1366x768.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8114541&st=westinghouse&type=product&id=1158318442758

The LVM-42W2 is far superior to this $999.99 special.

Why can't woot accurately call it a "42 inch 1080p HD Ready LCD monitor." What makes this a TV any more than my 17" CRT on my junked pc in the basement?

Cthulu on Woot? Must be a sign that my friends and I should bust out Arkham Horror this weekend...

Such a great game.

pixelbender wrote:

AGREED on that last post! LOL, I go through electronics like seasonal clothing.

But for me, that is another plus. I'd just assume save the money up front with the DLP considering I'll probably only have it for 2-3 years tops. Again, for me, IR is a nuisance that I don't have with DLP. I've owned an LCD, CRT, and DLP HDTVs. The LCD gave me ghosting but no IR, the CRT plainly kicked arse in all depts but was big depth wise, and the DLPs I have been the most happy with (my watching is about half TV shows I watch on a regular basis like House and half movies, all with a nice surround system). The plasma TV experience I have is with the father in law, which I already stated is re: image retention (and it seems to put out a lot more heat that other types of TVs).

Yes, plasmas do put out a little more heat but its not really a concern.
My LCD also is HOT.
DLP's are great for large real estate for the money, no doubt but I just can't stand the viewing angle issue and the rainbow effects (which not everyone experiences)

Plasma prices are dropping greatly. LCD's are still overpriced for what you get.
One thing I do hate about plasmas is the glare during daytime viewing. But there are some with "coating": that is supposed to reduce that.

drew30319 wrote:

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6400524.html

"Now Time Warner Cable is suing DirecTV in federal court over those ads, insisting the quality of its HDTV signals is at least on par with satellite. In a lawsuit filed Dec. 7, the cable operator said DirecTV's ads touting supposedly superior high-definition picture quality were false. (In the same suit, Time Warner also accused DirecTV of falsely advertising that certain games available on NFL Network would be unavailable to cable subscribers in New York and other cities.)

Time Warner Cable said in its complaint that its HDTV services “provide exactly the same screen resolution” as DirecTV's and that the satellite company cannot substantiate the claim of superior picture quality. DirecTV declined to comment on the suit.

But Time Warner didn't specify the bit rates at which it distributes HDTV signals. In its lawsuit, the company said it 'simply makes available sufficient bandwidth to permit that level of resolution to be passed through to its viewers.'" [emphasis added for those of you that still don't get it]

I agree totally. It's a matter of squeezing as many channels as possible into a fixed bandwidth as possible for advertising revenue as opposed to quality reception, not to mention quality programming...

I have a similar problem with my provider in that they blame the FCC and my local affiliate (ABC) for not allowing the HDTV broadcast when it not available OTA locally.

Seems like no matter what we consumers do in investing in a HDTV set, there is always "finger pointing" even at the highest levels...

When i looked at my woot on my desktop i was so excited cause i thought they were selling the calimari wrestler, but then i went to the site and it was just a tv and i was sad But then i got happy again just looking that lovable squid in the face. All i have to say is...where's the boxing squilla??

I love the fact that woot knows about the Calamari Wrestler, makes me want to buy stuff from them.

ITs a SQUID

isandie wrote:is that a squid?

It's the Calamari Wrestler!! It's a must see movie

<img src="http://squid.us/wp-content/uploads/calamari_wrestler.jpg">

Westinghouse customer service is outstanding. They took good care of me when I had some problems.

I might have wooted this one if a SQUIDBILLIE was on the screen... This one is kinda creepy...

The specs and price seems too good to be true (a compareable spec LCD TV is selling for over $1800 at local costco warehouse stores)

but spec is 1 thing...and the real image is another.
because LCD manufacture does not have a standard on how spec is measure (you may have 1000: 1 contract ratio for both LCD tv but the contract on 1 is much better than the other)

so when it come to LCD....spec is for "refrence only" to find out the real quality....you'll need to take a trip to your local electronic store

I own this set myself since about February this year (won 1500 in a super bowl pool). I must say I have been very happy with my purchase. I spent a ton of time researching which tv to buy and kept coming back to this one. It is probably the least expensive 1080p flat panel set on the market. The picture is great, sure the black levels arent perfect, but that is an LCD. The inputs are ample and its one of a VERY FEW sets that will display 1080p through its components inputs. I know someone mentioned this about their Xbox 360, well it is also true of the PS3. The set also full renders in 1080p. there is no conversion, scanning, scaling or anything done. It takes the 1080p signal and displays it. i would say this tv is probably one of the best values available on the market, and I felt that way a couple months ago at 1300. I spent a year and a half selling tv's at best buy, and we sold many many Westinghouse LCDs and very few of them came back. When they did it was mostly a size vs room issue because people never seem to get that right.

I got the 37" 1080P monitor from Westy a while back, and was using it primarily as a computer monitor... It was far too intimidating for me. At my normal distance from the screen, I actually had to turn my head, not just my eyes, to see everything.
+5" to that? That's like God in a box.

I'd be interested in knowing who refurbed this thing. I had a 46" WHouse that would freeze regularly. I'd have to go unplug the AC from the wall, wait a few seconds and plug it back in. Very annoying. It also lost the HDMI connection which required turning off and back on to reestablish. When I phoned WHouse, they said it would be as much as 6 months to get the in home service called for in my warranty. They later said I couldn't have in home service because they did not have any trained technicians. They told me I could solve the problem by using a cheap VCR as a tuner (there goes HDTV). Next was I should pack myself and ship to California at my expense. If I did so, they might still not be able to fix because they had seen this problem but not been able to figure out the cause. I returned the set to the retailer (Sam's) after trying for six weeks to get it fixed. Sam's club tried as well. After my experience I wouldn't buy for half the price. Refurbed probably means that they wiped the fingerprints off the screen after having a piece of crap returned such as mine. Good luck chumps!

I have had this monitor for over a year. It made a great TV and now is my PC monitor. Not only does TV rock, but Win XP looks great in 1920x1080!

This is only to reply to the quality of my Westinghouse product but not the same as offered....

I picked up a 27" Westinghouse from Best Buy, I had a lot of "Chase" freedom points (LOL the woot-offs helped) from using my credit card and got it for $599 as a closeout (new models coming in) before my reward money. My understanding is that a large part of their parts are from Toshiba, I of course read a bit outside of listening to the guy at the store....

For my bedroom, the 27" is a great TV and the tuner is fine but I am using an HD DVR now as well, again I can't say that the rest of their products are as good for the money but the 27" works great in a bedroom and again the total cost was almost 1/2 this price before the reward points.

As for refurb (rox0rz!), you don't like them wait until tomorrow, I don't want to hear your opinion of refurbs every time one is listed on w00t! Who gives a sh!t what you think of refurb (rox0rz!) every time one comes across w00t!

what makes this great is that its 1080p which is the new technology

i bought the 27" Westinghouse (with built in tuner) on the side deal last week from ecost. So far I'm happy with it (only had it 2 days so far).

As far as being HD Ready, if you're getting cable/satellite it doesn't matter, b/c you need their HD receiver anyway... the only way the tuner matters is if you plan to get the local channels with an antenna (which I am doing)

cabanathursdays wrote:i got this exact tv for $300 more (for a new one) back in november and have been very pleased with it. for those of you wondering, the xbox 360 (and the hd dvd add-on) look amazing. the ps3 doesnt work well through the hdmi port, it likes to get caught in a 5 second or so cycle where the screen goes blank, then comes back. sometimes the colors would also be messed up. but i got an hdmi to dvi cable, after calling both westinghouse and sony, and it looks great playing blu-ray movies. yes, there are better tvs out there, but they are a ton more money. can't beat this one for the money

Ah the PS3 blink issue. Its not a bad TV it happens on a lot of them, when it does, they say you can fix it (usually) by unplugging the HDMI cable/plugging it back in

Camoli wrote:

I agree totally. It's a matter of squeezing as many channels as possible into a fixed bandwidth as possible for advertising revenue as opposed to quality reception, not to mention quality programming...

I have a similar problem with my provider in that they blame the FCC and my local affiliate (ABC) for not allowing the HDTV broadcast when it not available OTA locally.

Seems like no matter what we consumers do in investing in a HDTV set, there is always "finger pointing" even at the highest levels...

I used to work for cable--don't anymore, so no ulterior motives, but they are right. The FCC strictly regulates broadcast channels and any local affiliate can exercise their right to be the only affiliate shown in that area. So if that affiliate is not doing HD, the provider is NOT allowed to bring in another affiliate that is.

ok so I have that exact TV and i Love the hell out of it.

Best deal I've seen in a while

This would be great if it wasn't westinghouse and refurb (rox0rz!).

A quick net search yielded new ones for $1217-$1299. Nonetheless, this seems like a good price and the unit got several excellent reviews: Generally, "great picture, not enough inputs when taking into account no internal tuner".

Thanks.
Danny

I have no comments on the tv as it is clearly amazing... however Rachel Ray is everything and so much more that the podcast tries to convey!! I <3 Rachel Ray :-)
Does anyone else agree that she is a serious hottie?

seriously be easy on the tv doesn't everyone already have at least a vcr somewhere in your house? If not I question you buying an HDTV...

chianeko wrote:The Calamari Wrestler = awesome

Don't forget Executive Koala too! He was framed!
Or how about Crab Goalkeeper?
Minoru Kawasaki is a funny guy.