sdc100


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Here is my review for Amazon.com (2 stars)

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Cute overpriced toy, but nothing more - Here's a NO-BRAINER alternative, December 17, 2008

A friend gave me her Flip to try out for a few days, and I was not impressed. Rather than give it a full review as others have, I've written only written a semi-review, with much of it explaining why a point-and-shoot camera is a MUCH better choice.

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THE FLIP vs A POINT-AND-SHOOT --- NO BRAINER

Before considering this toy, keep in mind that you can get a real point-and-shoot camera for about the same price or less -- even from reputable companies like Nikon, Canon, Olympus, etc. And they all do 640x480 videos at 30 frames per second. Furthermore, they are limited only by the amount of free memory available, which you can add on-the-fly by simply swapping memory cards. You can't do that with the Flip. Some will even have 3-5x OPTICAL zooming that you can use while recording (like my $59 Samsung S85, fifty-nine dollars). Plus you get high quality autofocusing glass lenses. The Flip is fixed focus, much like that in a disposable camera. And digital zoom is a joke. it's basically cropping the video's edges and then magnifying what's left to fill the screen. The quality is horrible and noise is amplified.

Don't underestimate the usefulness of zooming. I can't tell you how useful it is during sporting events to be able to zoom 5x. Many cameras also have video macro modes to capture closeup action within inches of the subject. I've found this useful for nature videos, i.e. insects on flowers. The Flip can only get as close as 31" whereas my Samsung can go up to 3". 31" is not good enough for capturing footage in a museum, where closeup is a must. Nor is it possible to capture regular text clearly, if necessary.

Models vary, of course, but those real cameras are generally no larger or heavier than this Flip, and they all feature a larger LCD screen (2"-2.5" vs the Flip's 1.5"). Most also use AA batteries so you need not be by an outlet or computer to recharge (rechargeable models generally cost more). Being point-and-shoot, they are no harder to use than the Flip. Just turn on and press a button. Most also have built in editing functions. And of course, you get a VASTLY superior still camera than what the Flip can do, i.e. more than 7 megapixels, shake reduction, multiple scene modes, face recognition, etc.

A criterion that many photographers use to critique a camera is start up time, i.e. the time it takes for the camera to power up. The Flip took 4-7 seconds whereas my $59 Samsung S85 takes about 1.5 seconds. Virtually no point-and-shoot will take more than 2.5 seconds. You can miss a lot of action in 7 seconds.

My favorite feature of point-and-shoots is that you don't even need to plug the camera into a computer. You can simply remove the camera's memory card and plug that directly into the computer. Many laptops and desktops have card readers built in, or you can buy one for under ten dollars. It's all drag-and-drop from there on. And if you need to print a photo, you can just take the card to a local drug store. Or plug the camera to a compatible printer. No need to turn on the computer at all. Can the Flip do that? And no need to install drivers or bloatware.

Because most cameras use standard video formats -- usually AVI or MOV -- you can simply load the files off the memory card for editing in any standard program (I sometimes even use WIndows Movie Maker). Want to email it? Simply attach the video off the memory card to your email. Much easier than what is described for the Flip. No special software, drivers, folders, etc. You treat the movie just like any other file. And yes, many cameras will also allow you to simply plug them in like USB memory without installing any special software.

Some people mistakenly believe that it's easier to upload Flip videos to sites like YouTube. This is untrue. You can simply upload your camera's AVI file directly to YouTube without any prior conversions. YouTube will do the resizing and conversions for you. I know because I do it all the time. In fact, I'd say that it's easier to upload camera videos because you're just dealing with a tiny memory card, which you can plug into most computers and laptops. With the Flip, you have to find a free USB port and enough physical space to plug in the Flip. My friend finds it annoying to have to unplug her other USB devices to accommodate the Flip every time she updates her Vlog. I ended up buying her a USB 4-port extender.

Speaking of the Flip's USB plug, it seems rather flimsy. That's alarming considering that it's an irreplaceable part. On a digital camera, the USB connection is accomplished through an easily-replaceable USB cable (about $2 on eBay). And again, you may never need to use the USB connection with a camera because video transfer can be accomplished via memory cards. I've never installed any drivers, software or used the USB cable.

To me, it seems like a no brainer to choose a real point-and-shoot camera over the Flip -- especially for roughly the same price. They win hands down for features, price, ease-of-use, quality, etc. And if you need HD videos, go for the Kodak Z1285 11 meg camera, which is frequently available refurbished for $79, seventy-nine dollars. The camera is decent but the videos are amazing, true HD 720p (and you can use the 5x optical zoom while recording). In fact, some film students are actually using the camera for their class assignments instead of a much more expensive HD video camera. You can find sample videos by Googling "Kodak Z1285 videos."

In summary, I can see absolutely no circumstance or reason for choosing this toy over a reputable point-and-shoot camera that can cost as little as $59. The cameras win or tie for every criteria imaginable: price, ease-of-use, quality, features, capacity, speed, etc. Well, the Flip probably wins for Coolness, which may be important for high schoolers. But if you're an adult and you want to look cool, go buy yourself some clothes with the money saved.

sixdolla


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Dear woot!,
i was really looking forward to partaking in your incredible wootoff! deals of screaming monkey's, bacon derived products, and bags of random excrement. but i regret to say that 10000 of my friends and i have been informed today that we are no longer employed so i and i'm sure many others will not be able to join in on the festivities.sorry

your friend,
sixdolla

nathan1234


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bujy wrote:The crapiest way to flip your valuable dollar is to woot one of these.



or not so valuable dollar these days

tamark


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OOOOHHH NO seems to be alot of these

abcmat


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Last time woot had these I bought 2.
One worked great. The other didn't work at all. Had to send it back and am awaiting my refund. good luck

AKH0608


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I FINALLY GOT A DYSON! Would recommend to ANYONE who needs a good vacuum. The price on Woot is absolutely WONDERFUL! They are usually $500-$600 in the stores!

Yay! For this Woot-off!!!

DYSON - FINALLY!!
HP Notebook Charger
3x Universal Remotes

kungfumonkey


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Seriously though, these are a good buy. They have them at Walmart for about 25 dollars more. I considered buying one before I bought my Panasonic HD camera... But this was my second choice for practicality alone!

tlukeobrien


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uh, whoot?

jermonator


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Hopefully I'll get one of these when I snag my Banging old cans.


  • Reebok Precision Trainer XT Heart Rate Monitor with Chest Strap
  • Sandisk Sansa e260 4GB Media Player
  • Apple iPod 30GB Video

woolley101


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kungfumonkey wrote:Now this is a half-way decent buy...



put some color in the box

woot!

leprechaungirl


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a1z2i wrote:... this is like koi at its finest ladies and gentlemen...



AGREED

ryancalderoni


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this looks like it could have trouble plugging into some USB slot locations just because of its bulk being so close to the connector, that of course is the beauty of USB CABLES

reinventyerrself


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I bought one of these months ago from Woot! Great for making typographical documentaries or anonymous sex tapes. *hopes roommate doesn't see this* Everyone should be in for one.

bradyson


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I'm in. Going to make a kickass video resume.

Goodbye unemployment...

hotnspicy601


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wow woot made $10,289.58 on those dyson vacuums ALONE! How i wish i had the creative mind to make such a genius sale site! :O

MrPoohh


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didn't it just show half way and go back up

linwe


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Meh, this might be a really good buy if my digital camera didn't already have really good quality video capabilities.

editorkid


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Hey Woot, really, five people preserving the price for future reference (note that these posts may not always be there)?

They're spamming the forums to advertise their sites, Woot. How about a little guidance in their direction here?

And the Flip is good stuff. There'll be a ton of whiny "my cell phone does this" but I've never seen cellphone video anywhere near as good as Flip's.

KumquatBry


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akane17


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sixdolla wrote:Dear woot!,
i was really looking forward to partaking in your incredible wootoff! deals of screaming monkey's, bacon derived products, and bags of random excrement. but i regret to say that 10000 of my friends and i have been informed today that we are no longer employed so i and i'm sure many others will not be able to join in on the festivities.sorry

your friend,
sixdolla



More crappy products for me! woohoo

aac3


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I bought one of these (30 min) last time they were up, this is a good price for the 60 min version I think. We've been really happy with ours, although it's not the very finest quality, I"ve had it work when my other TWO digital video cameras are failing for various reasons (battery dies early, tape had "moisture detected" after being in cold car overnight and so wouldn't work. I love that there are no cables, and no battery recharger, this is a super simple machine and it's been great. I'd highly recommend.

rhardin15


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galenanderson wrote:when was the last sansa? I need one and just found this woot off.



it's been much longer than usual since the last one. I'd be willing to bet a few Sansa's that one is coming very soon.

Wants to get some Random Carp!

homerjaok


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awesome 60 min. could use this in bedroom.

2 min. love making 58 min. snoring.

utaka95


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c'mon it's "pure digital" as opposed to the adulterated digital offerings....

Npfly11


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I "Think"; therefore, I'm going to bed.

kdccrosby


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I have a friend who has this. I asked them to copy a particular video they took to a DVD for me, and we couldn't ever get it to work. Does anyone have suggestions?

dbwordgirl


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Why does Wheaton think these are $59.99?

hawkeyes2011


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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

parobinson


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B.ank O.f C.hina

mzfred262


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bradyson


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homerjaok wrote:awesome 60 min. could use this in bedroom.

2 min. love making 58 min. snoring.



LMAO

Pufferfishy


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Time for a snack

You've been put on posting probation for this post

exiled1


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these will never sell out...never...buy.com sells them for basically the same price all day. -0h yeah, plus they suck little mice grapenuts

skateboardstef


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homerjaok wrote:

2 min. love making 58 min. snoring.



Two minutes in heaven is better than one minute in heaven!

swimmerbilly


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i own one of these, great for catching the moment, nice and small and portable and easy to upload to the computer

great buy

kbtolentino


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Seriously now.. when I left for Capoeira, the item took a while to be sold...

then during Capoeira, things wee getting sold out quickly....

now I come back from Capoeira and with my luck it's a slow one again.....

kungfumonkey


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woolley101 wrote:put some color in the box



Did, on accident...

jafrogg


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If I'd known this was coming, I coulda bought a mini helicopter and rigged it up for aerial videos. Foiled again!

kjgvsu53


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flip's r awesome. i love mine

mzfred262


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