miscrms


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After a steady string of Pixar movies, my 3.5 year old's favorite movie is now Pinocchio. Maybe he's finally ready for his first vinyl

Pulled the trigger on one, kind of wish I'd gotten two so I could leave one sealed.

The record player on sellout is cool if you want to rip, otherwise look around local for a used one. You can buy very nice quality players for ridiculously cheap these days. We picked up a Benjamin Miracord table with a good Stanton cartridge in it at a swap meet for $10. Of course ones of these might be more appropriate in this case:
Mickey Mouse Record Player

Records _can_ sound better than CDs, but usually don't. Most people today believe the marketing hype that digital is somehow infinitely superior to drab old analog. The reality is that sound is analog, as is video. We hear and see in analog. Digital at its very best is a good approximation of analog. Often its not a very good approximation, but good enough to get by. Analog can be superior, but is inherently much more susceptible to degradation and noise. For the most part with digital you either get the signal back or you don't. There is some grey area where you get it back with errors, but mostly you get it or you don't. Analog, every little imperfection you hear/see. If your equipment and source material aren't perfect, you'll know it. In that sense digital tends to look better for most people most of the time, but can never be better than or in most case as good as the best in true analog reproduction. Most CDs and movies are still captured on tape and film masters, because their equivalent digital resolution and dynamic range is orders of magnitude beyond the current state of the art in digital.

Standard 35mm film is equivilent to ~10MP. The best film on the best equiptment is estimated around 50MP. IMAX movie cameras at about 10X the frame area, or 500MP equivilent. Medium format still cameras use film about the same size. Large format cameras start at 4x5" film, which would be equivilent to 17.4 GP, and goes up from there.

On the other hand, my ipod sounds way better than my walkman used to. Still, the most amazing recording I have ever heard was a 1908ish single sided 78 of Caruso played on a Victorola. This was before electronic recording, so it was probaly the worlds greatest singer of all time standing in front of a big horn making a needle cut into wax with the shear force of his voice. That wax impression was then copied, picked up by another needle, vibrating a diaphram through another horn directly to my ears. Audio-phonically it was a noisy band limited mess. But it was the most powerful, impactful, amazing recording of anything I've ever heard.

Rob

Aromahouse


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$50 on Ebay... used... a good gift for expecting parents... but you'd better buy them a turntable too...

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-LPs-some dude's uncle-SCHORY-The-Magical-Music-of-Walt-Disney_W0QQitemZ380105851088QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item380105851088&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

rogueofmv


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mackosh wrote:Um, CDs aren't compressed. You are probably thinking of MP3s.

CDs are digitized, as opposed to the analog of records, so there is debate on whether you can hear the difference on a good system. CDs are capable of a much wider dynamic range than LPs (not to mention not wearing out with repeated plays), but unfortunately, most CDs are engineered so poorly that the range can actually be less than a good LP.



By compression, he's probably referring to the method of increasing loudness on the tracks before mastering them to CDs and digital files. The extra loudness creates clipping of elements that stood out over other elements in the song before mastering, which can result in more defined vocals, but much, much flatter drum sections.

So basically, the second part of what you said.

Oh, the loudness war... how unnecessary and unkind it is. :I

blarghsid


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this perfect timing. my girlfriend loves disney and we just got into a fight so this purchase is a no brainer

it will be kind of weird playing this on my turntables, but it would be kind of fun mixing this stuff...

thanks woot!

ps vinyls sound so so so amazing. trust me.

JadenKale


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I feel old. These came out the year I was born. ::blushes::

davielmejor


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will these play on my victrola? if not i'm still in for one, my other record player will work just fine... i love it!

echo4bravo


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Heck Ya! I am in for two....I even have two record players.

johnrallison


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The fidelity of a good vinyl record on a good turntable is higher than a CD. I had forgotten this, but I noticed it clearly when I helped out a friend who is a DJ. He has many 45's (which are higher fidelity than these 33rpm LPs). I could tell the difference between between his 45s and his CDs by listening.

CDs certainly are more convenient (in-dash record player for your car, anyone?), but good vinyl on a good system is just beautiful sounding.

There was a mention a couple of posts above mine about 'compression.' And then, of course, somebody questioning it. Perhaps what the person was getting at is 'sampling rate' because in digital, sounds (or whatever) are captured in discreet moments while in analog, the smooth change in data is recorded. CDs have a sampling rate of 44,100 cycles per second. Human hearing ends at about 20,000 cycles per second. The problem some claim with CDs (and I believe I could hear on my friends system) is that when audio approaches the limits of human hearing (either through very high notes, like bells, or through harmonics) the sampling rate is too close to the sound frequency to achieve the smoothness of tone available in analog recordings.

That being said, I like CDs, MP3s, WMVs, etc. because of their convenience and that they play the same the 200th time as they did the first. And I never listen to a well-mastered CD and notice the sound difference when it isn't being played back-to-back with good vinyl.

Not buying these because I don't even have a record player.

echo4bravo


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dlmtechnology wrote:How odd is it that I'm right now listening to the Mary Poppins Soundtrack when today's Woot happens to be Walt Disney Records!


How odd is it that your listening to the Mary Poppins Soundtrack.......

echo4bravo


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dest581 wrote:How is shipping done with fragiles like this?



Vinyl bends

zplyonz


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As a record collecting maniac, I won't get into the CD vs Vinyl arguement. You can find lots of partisans on both sides. Many people with reps for having the "best ears" prefer vinyl. I just think they sound diferent from one another.

What troubles me about this Woot is the "Processed for Stereo" label. This means that before mastering they put the signal through a crappy filter to push the high frequencies out the left channel and the low frequencies out the right one, to remind people they have two speakers. It sounds like the proverbial haunch region, and in audio circles is a big no no.

They should have left the mono material mono and the stereo stuff stereo (since everything from roughly 1958 on would likely be recorded in stereo).

If you want to pick this up for the sounds rather than nostalgia you might be disappointed.

hushpup49


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I'm in for two! Thanks woot. And I'm going looking through my folks collection for Caruso. In researching the sellout woot i discovered the portable Ion turntable - gonna' save my pennies for that one instead.

bpr2


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mevande wrote:I am still grooving to my 1980 Quadraphonic 8 track system!



$??

that was fun while it lasted!

swechsler


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sportscars wrote:Vinyl Does sound better than CD's (for the most part). Too much sound quality lost due to compression.



Um...CDs aren't compressed. Maybe you're thinking of MP3s?

swechsler


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dolfan0925 wrote:Song of the South?? How'd that name get on there? I thought Disney assassinates anyone that mentions that movie these days.



Well, then you'd better stay off Splash Mountain...

fourmonkey


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I find it veeeery interesting that all these itunes ads for "Dark Side of the Moon" keep popping up on w00t suddenly because that album is something of a litmus test IMO. Any vinyl bashers out there should sit down and have a side by side HEADPHONE comparison of the c.d. vs. the vinyl of Pink Floyd’s finest and try to say that the digital version has the same depth.

That being said, would it make a difference on a Disney collection? I dunno...

Molebucks


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Oi! Mosh good!.

I'm a huuuuuuuuuuge Disney fan, but I'm not sure if records are mah thang. D:

microhof


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MikaHutchison wrote:Seriously woot?

Wow. Just wow.



What, you would rather have a Bag 'o C*ap? Funny how those sell out in minutes, but everyone complains about a true collectible.

Sure, you could go in every Goodwill or Salvation Army store in the nation and probably eventually find one of these for 45 cents, but it would be scratched over from years of enjoyment and mishandling...and it would smell like somebody else's grandma. This one is still sealed!

MyK9Bites


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Here so you can listen to what your missing

http://svoundtrack.dabrosis.com/disney_playlist.html

missmarissalynn


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DamienBlade wrote:too true. that is so sad that they are actually selling these vinyls. at least sell something ppl want



Yeah, you're right. I totally didn't want one. That's why I just forked over $15.99 + shipping.

Seriously, let people decide for themselves what they want. Didn't your teachers ever tell you to avoid generalizations?

anddreus


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Why buy a record player? When you can go to the nearest dumpster and get one.

bhyphenlow


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Awesome. These will make a great birthday gift for someone I know.

leilaniandjake


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I'm a huge Disney fan and couldn't talk myself out of this one. Oh wait. Two... WOOT!

I <3 Woot!

ryanmercer


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Who doesn't own a record player? I buy new vinyl every week or so

lilithschilde


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You can see a full track listing here: http://www.brucehamilton.com/MISC/Disney%20Records.htm It's a 4 LP set so the track list is pretty significant. Just keep in mind that this was from 1978, so the latest it's going to have is from 1977ish - Pete's Dragon and the like.

wootfertexas


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dlmtechnology wrote:How odd is it that I'm right now listening to the Mary Poppins Soundtrack when today's Woot happens to be Walt Disney Records!



Mary Poppins jammin, hot cider tea, me on the pc. Now that's a Good Friday!

jeneralist


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I've looked at the track listing, and something's got to be weird here. LPs were *short*. How can the full version of each of those songs fit onto 6 LPs? Are they maybe doing orchestra medleys or something?

jrbelle


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DamienBlade wrote:too true. that is so sad that they are actually selling these vinyls. at least sell something ppl want




Some of us like vinyl, and for those that are also Disney collectors, this is NIRVANA!

FOR THE REST OF YOU THERE IS ALWAYS TOMORROW...

I bought 3 for the collectible value. If some of you were smart, you would read the posts about resale value, buy 3 & resell them 'cause Disney collectors prize this kind of thing. You are so missing the boat. I would not sell my 3 for anything (the same for the rest of my Disney collection that would rival anyones) but I may see if I can get someone else to buy 3 for me to sell on EBay or something. Originals like this are worth a small fortune and will appreciate in value.

handyman28


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Love my McIntosh C22/MC75/MR71/Goldring all Tube Analog system, Will pick up 3 sets of records to introduce my kids to Analog. As far as CD vs Records, to each his own. Both have strengths & weaknesses. I don't mind my kids loading my CD player (Shanling CD-T200 Tube CD player of course) but I would not let them handle a record. I can burn as many copies of CDs as they can break, but I cannot remedy a scratched/damaged record.

jesoneric


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Kind of interesting, but unfortunately too many obscure Disney cartoons for me to buy.

hoyred


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It's All Good

agentrem


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susanelectro wrote:In for one. I've got a kid coming in July. Seems like a great way to introduce him to vinyl.



I'm doing the same thing. Just bought an old record player and started _my_grandfathers old big band, "honky tonk", and jazz for my 2.5 year old. He loves it! Records give him so much more to hold and he loves dancing and watching the vinyl spin. Bought one of these for our collection. Just learned our record player needs a phono preamp to work with our newer receiver. You may need one too! [ phonopreamps.com was great! ]

fishphotoguy


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jrbelle wrote:Some of us like vinyl, and for those that are also Disney collectors, this is NIRVANA!

FOR THE REST OF YOU THERE IS ALWAYS TOMORROW...

... I may see if I can get someone else to buy 3 for me to sell on EBay or something. Originals like this are worth a small fortune and will appreciate in value.




Sometimes there is a Woot so incredibly good that you just gotta sign up for a second (or third) account ;)

My turntable is lonely, it may need these to cheer it up. Although it probably needs a new stylus from playing old yard sale records that just haven't appeared on cd.

WalkinPneumonia


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OnyxFound wrote:My mom is a huge Disney collector. This is just in time for Mother's Day... and cheap, too.



Same here. In for one.

inssearch


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What a Goofy Woot today!LAMEOOO

kerrycindy


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dlmtechnology wrote:How odd is it that I'm right now listening to the Mary Poppins Soundtrack when today's Woot happens to be Walt Disney Records!



That is not odd. It just proves that you are as strange as everybody told you back when you were in high school.

halnwheels


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susanelectro wrote:In for one. I've got a kid coming in July. Seems like a great way to introduce him to vinyl.



wanna buy a rotory phone?

k8ybug


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I found a listing here

kerrycindy


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LeetRantipole wrote:I'm a little confused... If this is not a remaster or reissue, how is it reprocessed for stereo sound? When was it reprocessed?

Don't blame me for not understanding this ancient technology; it's older than I am.



Uh, dude, stereo is not a new invention. It has been around, even back then. Harumphhhh!

rkdasgud


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compassstl wrote:This is interesting...
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1906578
Does the music follow the same concept?



that was VERY interesting. nice find.