I bet your neighbors were wondering what the hell was going on in your driveway. :-O

chevyscrounger wrote:I bet your neighbors were wondering what the hell was going on in your driveway. :-O

Either that or they were sending anonymous tips to the LOLrus on where he could find his bukkit.

Got my Boggy Old Creature today!

Working set of Woot Lights
standard action figure
power screwdriver
skateboard hand held game
smallish pink carrying bag
ball point PHD pen


I was kinda hoping for a Sandisk, but I can't complain. Thanks to the woot staff for quickly sending out a new replacement when my original order was lost.

That video was great! An aerial view (to see the Woot logo spelled out in buckets) woulda been cool, but it's awesome all the same. :-)

your video was da bomb...you totally rocked it

cnbmis wrote:It has been really cool to see everyone else's piles I have the bucket count (pictured) and a video of the setup / teardown posted.

Also, the Sansa count stands at 8 functional so far, with another 8-12 that may be fixed/fixable thanks to me best friend. They are in various conditions physically, but are definitely all refurb, or meant to be. Haven't made it to the clips yet, but they seem to be in better condition, mostly 1g, a few 2g.

Anyhoo, the total was 407 buckets, which, unlike the video, take about 3 hours to setup and break down when all laid out on a driveway, as a pallet full of buckets should be, of course.

The setup:



The step-by-step (3 hours reduced to 84 seconds) backtrack from royaltyfreemusic.com:

Yay! Minnesota Wooters!

Still never got my lites. I bin ripped!

Totally love the buckets video !!! WOOT WOOT!!!

garyoa1 wrote:Still never got my lites. I bin ripped!

Email WOOT! they will send you some. They did for me.

In order to further assist you with your problem, please email service@woot.com.

garyoa1 wrote:Still never got my lites. I bin ripped!

cnbmis wrote:It has been really cool to see everyone else's piles I have the bucket count (pictured) and a video of the setup / teardown posted.

Anyhoo, the total was 407 buckets, which, unlike the video, take about 3 hours to setup and break down when all laid out on a driveway, as a pallet full of buckets should be, of course.

The setup:

I am surprised that no one has mentioned how you spelled out WOOT! in green buckets. Nice touch.

Just wondering, did anyone only get lights like me? I am fine with that. I was just trying to see. No, I didn't read the whole thread. But, I did see a few of you get pallets. How cool is that?

Well congrats, you got someone to send you something after begging for a donation/freebie from someone.

You want something and you are asking someone to send something they bought(what they paid is irrelevant) to you, for free.

Your original post makes you sound like you are doing them a favor by "taking it off their hands", when really you are only doing yourself a favor because you want something.

and yes, I am well aware of Freecycle and actively use it(although there is a bit too much "begging" on there too), as well as other sites like Craigslist where I can give something away for free to someone who wants it. Nowhere did I promote just throwing something into the garbage.

I was simply pointing out that you offer no incentive to someone to take the time to go package up the item(sansas in this case) go to a post office, wait in line, and then mail it out, when they can spend 15-20 seconds and post it online somewhere and a person who wants it will take the time and come get what they want.

Like most people were taught by their parents, it's not always what you say but how you say it, and how you phrased your original post was the issue people had, not the end result of what you were looking for.

Cheesewater wrote:Really? Okay I'll think of that when the Sansas from two different Wooters arrive in my mailbox. You get a bunch of carp from woot for basically the price of shipping, why is it unpossible to believe that it can work that way here in the forum? Not everyone here wants to turn scaffolding they basically got for free into some kind of profit (though it does seem that way with all the crying and whining). As I said before, I have gladly forwarded unused bits of electronics and gear for no profit to people who asked because it is better than tossing it in the landfill. Have you ever heard of www.freecycle.org? Check it out.

TechnoBabbler wrote:Well congrats, you got someone to send you something after begging for a donation/freebie from someone.

You want something and you are asking someone to send something they bought(what they paid is irrelevant) to you, for free.

Your original post makes you sound like you are doing them a favor by "taking it off their hands", when really you are only doing yourself a favor because you want something.

and yes, I am well aware of Freecycle and actively use it(although there is a bit too much "begging" on there too), as well as other sites like Craigslist where I can give something away for free to someone who wants it. Nowhere did I promote just throwing something into the garbage.

I was simply pointing out that you offer no incentive to someone to take the time to go package up the item(sansas in this case) go to a post office, wait in line, and then mail it out, when they can spend 15-20 seconds and post it online somewhere and a person who wants it will take the time and come get what they want.

Like most people were taught by their parents, it's not always what you say but how you say it, and how you phrased your original post was the issue people had, not the end result of what you were looking for.

JEEZ!! get off his case. I suppose you are the perfect one on the planet. Gosh, wish it was me.

Only one of my Woot lights spins. They both light up luckily so I figure I'm only really down .5 out of 2 Woot Lights. Though since I have never seen 2 full functional Woot lights I suppose I may be over- or underestimating the value of the second spinny light.

*Woot light surgery successful. Fixed light spins at about 2/3 speed but its better than no spin*

BigRedDogATL wrote:I am surprised that no one has mentioned how you spelled out WOOT! in green buckets. Nice touch.

I did. Scroll up. ;-)

The "lolrus" comment cracked me up. There's your hook... "Lolrus buckets for sale! Buck a bucket! Save the endangered and unhappy lolrus from memedeath!"

TechnoBabbler wrote:Well congrats, you got someone to send you something after begging for a donation/freebie from someone.

You want something and you are asking someone to send something they bought(what they paid is irrelevant) to you, for free.

Your original post makes you sound like you are doing them a favor by "taking it off their hands", when really you are only doing yourself a favor because you want something.

and yes, I am well aware of Freecycle and actively use it(although there is a bit too much "begging" on there too), as well as other sites like Craigslist where I can give something away for free to someone who wants it. Nowhere did I promote just throwing something into the garbage.

I was simply pointing out that you offer no incentive to someone to take the time to go package up the item(sansas in this case) go to a post office, wait in line, and then mail it out, when they can spend 15-20 seconds and post it online somewhere and a person who wants it will take the time and come get what they want.

Like most people were taught by their parents, it's not always what you say but how you say it, and how you phrased your original post was the issue people had, not the end result of what you were looking for.

Randy Pausch had good advice on this topic:
"always bring something to the table"

Happy to share the bucketosity I like the aerial idea, but that would require actual scaffolding, and that apparently wouldn't fit on my pallet.

chevyscrounger wrote:I bet your neighbors were wondering what the hell was going on in your driveway. :-O

No neighbors in MN close enough to be offended by my boxers, so we're all good there.

xavoc wrote:Either that or they were sending anonymous tips to the LOLrus on where he could find his bukkit.

I did not previously know the pleasure of LOLrus, but here's my bucket-selling mascot, apparently:

caseycho wrote:Perhaps, he can start selling his own bucket of carps..

Actually, I'm thinking these will be the newest, and more durable form, of gift bags for anyone with a birthday and of course xmas will be another good time. Not sure if I want to do that for the next 10-20 years though... hmm... perhaps I can use some of them as packaging for Sansa shipments.


Many of the buckets are quite nice, so props to woot! for the many gifts.

Chris

TechnoBabbler wrote:Well congrats, you got someone to send you something after begging for a donation/freebie from someone.

Please describe what in the original post qualified as "begging".

TechnoBabbler wrote:You want something and you are asking someone to send something they bought(what they paid is irrelevant) to you, for free.

I understand this point of view. It comes from people who wish to make a profit. That's fine. If you have a Sansa to spare and you want to make a profit, you could counter-offer if you were interested in dealing with me. It's a forum after all.

TechnoBabbler wrote:Your original post makes you sound like you are doing them a favor by "taking it off their hands", when really you are only doing yourself a favor because you want something.

I understand now that some people here read the phrase "take it off your hands" as being altruistic. Some people might also want to get a sense of humor.

TechnoBabbler wrote:and yes, I am well aware of Freecycle and actively use it(although there is a bit too much "begging" on there too), as well as other sites like Craigslist where I can give something away for free to someone who wants it. Nowhere did I promote just throwing something into the garbage.

I was simply pointing out that you offer no incentive to someone to take the time to go package up the item(sansas in this case) go to a post office, wait in line, and then mail it out, when they can spend 15-20 seconds and post it online somewhere and a person who wants it will take the time and come get what they want.

The incentive is conscience for the planet and goodwill toward a fellow Wooter. If you don't have those things, don't respond. Additionally, if you had Sansas to spare and were familiar with freecycle or Craigslist, you could respond to my post with "Hey I put some on freecycle" or "Here's a link to my Craigslist ad". That way you're not put out by re-shipping the Sansas.

TechnoBabbler wrote:Like most people were taught by their parents, it's not always what you say but how you say it, and how you phrased your original post was the issue people had, not the end result of what you were looking for.

If you take a relatively innocuous phrase in a negative way, on the internet where you don't have a lot of clues to intent, maybe you could think about the spirit of the message before getting bent out of shape for something so insignificant.

Chris, that was an awesome video!! I didn't notice that you spelled woot with the green buckets. You deserved what you got. Thanks again for sharing!!

I finally got my package from woot! I got my woot lights but nothing else. I was a 1 so I am about to shoot them an email to inquire about the apcray I thought I was supposed to receive. If nothing else my lights are in working order and majorly awesome. So, thanks woot for the lights!

Still haven't received mine. Am I alone?

jihoon0525 wrote:Still haven't received mine. Am I alone?

whats your tracking say

222 pages of comments, with over 100 pages before the close of the stock market on that Monday. This must be the record for number of pages and number of comments on any single Woot item.

kerrycindy wrote:JEEZ!! get off his case. I suppose you are the perfect one on the planet. Gosh, wish it was me.

Perfect? Nope, never claimed I was, nor ever made any kind of implication I was.

One thing i am is open to criticism though and willing to accept criticism as a chance to understand how people perceive what I have done, either an actual action or what I typed on a message board. I would then take that criticism as a learning experience instead of acting like a defensive Crow.

It appears there is a problem with your Woot-Off Lights and Bad Old Cinema order. According to our records your order was lost during transit. We have placed a replacement order in for you. It should ship out soon. If you have anymore questions or concerns, please email us at service@woot.com.

jihoon0525 wrote:Still haven't received mine. Am I alone?

Cheesewater wrote:

Please describe what in the original post qualified as "begging".

The whole post was begging.

As defined by Dictionary.com:

- to ask for as a gift, as charity, or as a favor

- to ask (someone) to give or do something

You asked for something for nothing, you asked for a freebie, that's begging.

Cheesewater wrote:

I understand this point of view. It comes from people who wish to make a profit. That's fine. If you have a Sansa to spare and you want to make a profit, you could counter-offer if you were interested in dealing with me. It's a forum after all.

Again, this has nothing to do with making a profit. I suppose you seem to perceive that someone wanting something in return for going out of their way to give you something you were begging for as profit, well then what does that make you? You're sitting here trying to make a profit off everyone's supposed generosity under some sort of altruistic guise for concern for the planet's landfills? What are you going to do with all these broken Sansas? Fix them and use them? Give them to people? Sell them? Any of those could be considered doing it "for profit". Or is the only thing you are going to do is collect them and bring them to your local recycling location? Anything other than that and you are nothing but a hypocrite for criticizing someone for "wanting to make a profit" when that is exactly what you are looking to do under the guise of other wooters doing something nice, charitable out of the goodness of their hearts to go out of their way for you, the woot freebie profiteer.

Cheesewater wrote:

I understand now that some people here read the phrase "take it off your hands" as being altruistic. Some people might also want to get a sense of humor.

Sorry, but I never saw anything that showed that any part of your post was a joke, I kinda thought jokes were supposed to be funny in some way.

Cheesewater wrote:
The incentive is conscience for the planet and goodwill toward a fellow Wooter. If you don't have those things, don't respond. Additionally, if you had Sansas to spare and were familiar with freecycle or Craigslist, you could respond to my post with "Hey I put some on freecycle" or "Here's a link to my Craigslist ad". That way you're not put out by re-shipping the Sansas.

Right, that's why people should just ship them for free to you? You obviously aren't too familiar with freecycle or Craigslist, because if you were then you would know they are all locally based sites, putting up those links or saying that are useless since you never mentioned where you live.

As far as goodwill goes, that's sort of a two way street, I would think that someone looking for goodwill would be the type of person who would offer it up as well, ya know, be friendly and offer someone something in return as a sign of appreciation for that nice thing they did for you.

I know the old lady who lives next door to me is like that, I shovel and salt her walkways for her every storm in the winter. She sometimes gives me a quarter for doing it, and twice in the past 9 years she gave me a dozen cookies that she baked. Is that "profit"? I sure as heck don't think so, and I do it regardless of anything she gives me but it's nice that someone was willing to do something in return to say thank you for the goodwill I have shown to them.

Cheesewater wrote:
If you take a relatively innocuous phrase in a negative way, on the internet where you don't have a lot of clues to intent, maybe you could think about the spirit of the message before getting bent out of shape for something so insignificant.

Wait, you think my post was only because of that one phrase? You're kidding right? The spirit of your message was what I had an issue with, the highlighting of that phrase was only part of taking issue with your message. I was not alone in the criticism of the tone/spirit of your post, the tone and spirit of your post was pretty straight forward. "I want you to send me something for free, and I am going to do nothing in return for you."

You make far too many assumptions about other people's motivations when they have criticized your post here, and what's that old saying about assuming? I don't think I need to remind you, but just try to use this as a learning experience about how things are perceived on the internet.

and to be honest, if you were really about "goodwill" instead of asking people to just send you their "broken" sansas, why not just tell people how they can fix them, since I assume that's what you are going to do with them, right? Wouldn't that be true goodwill?

TechnoBabbler wrote:Perfect? Nope, never claimed I was, nor ever made any kind of implication I was.

One thing i am is open to criticism though and willing to accept criticism as a chance to understand how people perceive what I have done, either an actual action or what I typed on a message board. I would then take that criticism as a learning experience instead of acting like a defensive Crow.

you sir are obsessed. you are acting as defensive as the person you keep jabbing at. let it rest or you will prove to everyone that you are the smaller person. this forum is for fun, not proving you are the better person.

kerrycindy wrote:you sir are obsessed. you are acting as defensive as the person you keep jabbing at. let it rest or you will prove to everyone that you are the smaller person. this forum is for fun, not proving you are the better person.

obsessed? Hardly. Bored, maybe.

Where did I ever say or imply I was the better person? That was never said nor implied in anything I have typed.

Go back and read my original reply to them, it was nothing but helpful advice and pointing out how their post "appeared" to read since a lot of intent can be lost through a simple post.

Not my fault they are over sensitive and can't accept helpful advice.

Got my 'replacement' baby of the cosmos today! First one ever too. The original is still lost in the mail. Woot was awesome in quickly sending out a replacement. It has taken a long time but I am thrilled to have finally achieved this very elite status of winning a baby of the cosmos.

Contents:
2 action/adventure hand held video games.
1 Jabra blue tooth device.
1 Brothers in Arms action figure.
5 mechanical pencils.
1 Sansa cable.
1 pink craft carry bag.
1 set of Woot! lights.

I am very grateful for my scaffolding. Thank you Woot staff and Woot Gods!

Slickpappy wrote:It appears there is a problem with your Woot-Off Lights and Bad Old Cinema order. According to our records your order was lost during transit. We have placed a replacement order in for you. It should ship out soon. If you have anymore questions or concerns, please email us at service@woot.com.

Thanks a million woot!. I'll look forward to receiving my light and Bad Old Cinema order.

TechnoBabbler wrote:The whole post was begging.
As defined by Dictionary.com:
- to ask for as a gift, as charity, or as a favor
- to ask (someone) to give or do something
You asked for something for nothing, you asked for a freebie, that's begging.

In my educated perspective (and supported by several online dictionaries), "begging" indicates some measurable level of earnestness or urgency. If you don't agree on that then that is where this part of the debate ends.

TechnoBabbler wrote:Again, this has nothing to do with making a profit. I suppose you seem to perceive that someone wanting something in return for going out of their way to give you something you were begging for as profit, well then what does that make you? You're sitting here trying to make a profit off everyone's supposed generosity under some sort of altruistic guise for concern for the planet's landfills? What are you going to do with all these broken Sansas? Fix them and use them? Give them to people? Sell them? Any of those could be considered doing it "for profit". Or is the only thing you are going to do is collect them and bring them to your local recycling location? Anything other than that and you are nothing but a hypocrite for criticizing someone for "wanting to make a profit" when that is exactly what you are looking to do under the guise of other wooters doing something nice, charitable out of the goodness of their hearts to go out of their way for you, the woot freebie profiteer.

"Profit" as I used it was in response to a suggestion that someone would prefer to sell a superfluous Sansa on eBay or Craigslist or whatever rather than give it to me. You don't know me, so assuming that my concern for the planet is a "guise" is outright offensive. As for the Sansas, if I can fix them I will give them to my students, pre-loaded with lessons. If I cannot fix them, perhaps my students can. If none of us can fix them they will be stripped of usable parts and the rest properly recycled. If you wish to see that as "profit," and in a way it absolutely is, that's fine. But it is not the profit alluded to by other wooters in posts suggesting selling them rather than giving them to me. Besides, if I am making a "profit" of goodwill by fixing them and giving them to deserving people, isn't that the same as the "profit" a wooter would receive by making that possible for me to do?

TechnoBabbler wrote:Sorry, but I never saw anything that showed that any part of your post was a joke, I kinda thought jokes were supposed to be funny in some way.

I didn't say anything was a joke. I indicated that a sense of humor might be in order to not be offended by the light-hearted spirit of the phrase "take them off of your hands". Another way to say it would be "Lighten up."

TechnoBabbler wrote:Right, that's why people should just ship them for free to you? You obviously aren't too familiar with freecycle or Craigslist, because if you were then you would know they are all locally based sites, putting up those links or saying that are useless since you never mentioned where you live.

It would not be useless at all. I would know that those Sansas are then not available to me, but perhaps they would be available to the nationwide network of educators to which I belong.

TechnoBabbler wrote:As far as goodwill goes, that's sort of a two way street, I would think that someone looking for goodwill would be the type of person who would offer it up as well, ya know, be friendly and offer someone something in return as a sign of appreciation for that nice thing they did for you.

I know the old lady who lives next door to me is like that, I shovel and salt her walkways for her every storm in the winter. She sometimes gives me a quarter for doing it, and twice in the past 9 years she gave me a dozen cookies that she baked. Is that "profit"? I sure as heck don't think so, and I do it regardless of anything she gives me but it's nice that someone was willing to do something in return to say thank you for the goodwill I have shown to them.

So, fixing a broken 1gb Sansa ($6.99 refurbed on Woot.com on 7/21/09) and using it is profit but a dozen cookies isn't? I understand that you are annoyed by the concept of me getting something for nothing. I get it now. Some people are happy to help.

TechnoBabbler wrote:Wait, you think my post was only because of that one phrase? You're kidding right? The spirit of your message was what I had an issue with, the highlighting of that phrase was only part of taking issue with your message. I was not alone in the criticism of the tone/spirit of your post, the tone and spirit of your post was pretty straight forward. "I want you to send me something for free, and I am going to do nothing in return for you."

Several other posters who took me to task indicated that it was that particular phrase that bothered them. Furthermore, here's what YOU said:

TechnoBabbler wrote:Your original post makes you sound like you are doing them a favor by "taking it off their hands", when really you are only doing yourself a favor because you want something.

So it was YOU who parsed out that one phrase, leading to my response about the phrase.

TechnoBabbler wrote:You make far too many assumptions about other people's motivations when they have criticized your post here, and what's that old saying about assuming? I don't think I need to remind you, but just try to use this as a learning experience about how things are perceived on the internet.

This is actually the reverse of what has happened here. The assumptions are being made by you about me. I posted that I would be happy to take unused Sansas from wooters and you assumed I was a disingenuous profiteer.

TechnoBabbler wrote:and to be honest, if you were really about "goodwill" instead of asking people to just send you their "broken" sansas, why not just tell people how they can fix them, since I assume that's what you are going to do with them, right? Wouldn't that be true goodwill?

Well, actually, I did try to help earlier in this thread when someone asked:

Cheesewater wrote:robyta wrote:
I am looking for a Sansa View battery. My Sansa works but can't hold a charge.
I took it apart and found the Battery part number, 326691 3.7v 730 mAh.
Any internet sites?

I've searched for a bit and can't find any View replacement batteries. (I don't have a View). The things I've read indicate that the View battery is not user-replaceable. Here are a couple of good Sansa forums if you haven't already visited them:

http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=74

http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board?board.id=view

Tell me what's wrong with your Sansa and that you want to try and fix it yourself and I am happy to help for nothing in return.

TechnoBabbler wrote:obsessed? Hardly. Bored, maybe.

Where did I ever say or imply I was the better person? That was never said nor implied in anything I have typed.

Go back and read my original reply to them, it was nothing but helpful advice and pointing out how their post "appeared" to read since a lot of intent can be lost through a simple post.

Not my fault they are over sensitive and can't accept helpful advice.

Oversensitive? You describe yourself. You were not offering advice. You were degrading a fellow human. I read all of your posts on this matter. You need to take a long look at yourself if you think all you were doing was offering advice. Maybe you need to take a course in good manners. No you did not say you were a better person. You implied it because of the way your "advice" came across. He could have worded things a bit differently, but guess what, so could you. You come across as an egotistical bully who does and says things the "right" way, and you do not.

Keeping checking on my woot off lights (my 7 year old can't wait). Tracking says they have been in transit from Jacksonville, FL (to Northern Va) since July 21. Looks like it was handed off from FedEx to USPS too? That's a long time in transit from Fla to VA.

Gatzby wrote:That does sound like a pretty long time. You may want to go ahead and get in touch with service@woot.com and let them know. Please be sure to include your order number. You may also need to adjust any spam filtering you have in place to ensure a response from that address.

Turns out it got shipped to my mom. the last thing I ordered was the mothers day woot which offered an alternate ship address. I know I picked the correct address at checkout, but somehow it still got shipped to the "alternate" address. Apparently my mom never picked it up from the post office so it's getting shipped back.

Really? I doubt it, go back and read the very first post. There was nothing degrading in it whatsoever.

Maybe you need to take a long look at yourself and the way your "advice" came across. You come across as an egotistical bully who thinks she does and says things the "right" way, and you do not.

mind your own business and go back to your knitting or whatever it is you do with your free time.

kerrycindy wrote:Oversensitive? You describe yourself. You were not offering advice. You were degrading a fellow human. I read all of your posts on this matter. You need to take a long look at yourself if you think all you were doing was offering advice. Maybe you need to take a course in good manners. No you did not say you were a better person. You implied it because of the way your "advice" came across. He could have worded things a bit differently, but guess what, so could you. You come across as an egotistical bully who does and says things the "right" way, and you do not.

1- Yes, it was begging. Notice how more than one person has pointed out how they felt about the post? Take it as a sign.

2- I never suggested that someone sell them on ebay or CL instead of giving them to you.

3- You offered no other alternative other than your concern for the planet with your desire to get them from other people.

4- Telling someone they need a sense of humor implies that something was supposed to be funny, humor involves jokes of some sort, if you mean lighten up, then say lighten up, it's different from needing a sense of humor.

5- You didn't say you were looking for 1 sansa, you stated that you were looking for multiple, as in as many as you can get people to send you. and no, a dozen cookie in the spring after shoveling out an elderly neighbor 10-15 times over the winter isn't anywhere the same.

6- yes, I parsed out that one phrase as a point from the entire post, but it was not the focus of my post. As with other people, take some advice, multiple people pointed out and took issue with your post, take it as a learning experience for the future and stop being so defensive about it.

7- You gave no one any option but to assume that about you with what you said in your original post, again, take the advice people gave you and learn to phrase things a little better when you post and there won't be a problem for you to get all bent out of shape about when people give you flack for it.

8- I don't need to tell you what is wrong with my Sansa because my sansa isn't broken, it just needs a new battery.

9- Sure there was probably a little snark in my post, but maybe you need to take your own advice and "get a sense of humor" and just roll with it.

It's taken what? 4? 5 posts for your actual reasons for wanting the Sansas to come out? You do realize that if you had followed the advice of other people, as well as me, and thought a little bit more about what you post in a message, then no one would have said a single word in criticism. For example, if this had been your post:

If anyone has any Sansas they don't want, need, or are even broken and would like to send them to me it would be appreciated. I will try to fix them so that I can use them for my students to help with lessons. thanks in advance for your help

You post that, and no one would have had any kind of criticism for your post, but no, you left out all kinds of quick info which would actually explain your motivation, and there would be nothing for anyone to assume.

but no, you made a poor initial post and got upset when people gave you criticism on it, as an "educator" I would expect that you would have a much better "sense of humor" to be able to learn from the critiques people give you. At least I would hope so since I would hope that you expect your "students" to do the same.

Take it as a learning experience and just accept your initial post wasn't good, remember it next time and think about how the words you choose can be percieved by someone else when there is no tone, no inflection, and nothing known about your background or intent with your request.

Cheesewater wrote:"Profit" as I used it was in response to a suggestion that someone would prefer to sell a superfluous Sansa on eBay or Craigslist or whatever rather than give it to me. You don't know me, so assuming that my concern for the planet is a "guise" is outright offensive. As for the Sansas, if I can fix them I will give them to my students, pre-loaded with lessons. If I cannot fix them, perhaps my students can. If none of us can fix them they will be stripped of usable parts and the rest properly recycled. If you wish to see that as "profit," and in a way it absolutely is, that's fine. But it is not the profit alluded to by other wooters in posts suggesting selling them rather than giving them to me. Besides, if I am making a "profit" of goodwill by fixing them and giving them to deserving people, isn't that the same as the "profit" a wooter would receive by making that possible for me to do?

TechnoBabbler wrote:1- Yes, it was begging. Notice how more than one person has pointed out how they felt about the post? Take it as a sign.

No, it was not begging. More than one person has indicated having no problem with the post.

TechnoBabbler wrote:2- I never suggested that someone sell them on ebay or CL instead of giving them to you.

And I never said you did. We were discussing profit and I indicated that it was that kind of profit put forth by others in this conversation.

TechnoBabbler wrote:3- You offered no other alternative other than your concern for the planet with your desire to get them from other people.

That is absolutely wrong. I said "fix them, use them for parts, or recycle them properly" in my first response after the initial post.

TechnoBabbler wrote:4- Telling someone they need a sense of humor implies that something was supposed to be funny, humor involves jokes of some sort, if you mean lighten up, then say lighten up, it's different from needing a sense of humor.

Again, if that is your interpretation of the idiom then that part of the debate is over. Having a sense of humor is a broad descriptor. A joke is a specific thing.

TechnoBabbler wrote:5- You didn't say you were looking for 1 sansa, you stated that you were looking for multiple, as in as many as you can get people to send you. and no, a dozen cookie in the spring after shoveling out an elderly neighbor 10-15 times over the winter isn't anywhere the same.

I said "a surplus." That could be one or 100. A dozen delicious home-baked cookies is worth more than a broken $7 Sansa, no?

TechnoBabbler wrote:6- yes, I parsed out that one phrase as a point from the entire post, but it was not the focus of my post. As with other people, take some advice, multiple people pointed out and took issue with your post, take it as a learning experience for the future and stop being so defensive about it.

When someone calls me a beggar and that I exemplify "the worst in people", I'm going to defend myself. It's a forum and that is my right to respond. I directly asked one of the original responders for clarification but got none.

TechnoBabbler wrote:7- You gave no one any option but to assume that about you with what you said in your original post, again, take the advice people gave you and learn to phrase things a little better when you post and there won't be a problem for you to get all bent out of shape about when people give you flack for it.

First, two posters felt annoyed enough to post about it using the phrases "begging" and "the worst in people." I asked for explanations and got none. If you assumed from my post that I was a disingenuous profiteer, that is entirely on you. Certainly much of our society is motivated by greed, but it is too bad you assume the worst.

TechnoBabbler wrote:8- I don't need to tell you what is wrong with my Sansa because my sansa isn't broken, it just needs a new battery.

That's your response to my successful refutation of the accusation that I don't actually want to help people?

TechnoBabbler wrote:It's taken what? 4? 5 posts for your actual reasons for wanting the Sansas to come out? You do realize that if you had followed the advice of other people, as well as me, and thought a little bit more about what you post in a message, then no one would have said a single word in criticism.

Your "advice" came days later, I'm afraid. The (usual) spirit of wooters wouldn't prompt me to consider editing an efficient, innocuous post. In fact, in addition to a couple of people who posted in the positive, I also got responses in the form of offers of Sansas. If I could have imagined that a few people would get so irrationally upset over the phrase "take them off of your hands," then sure, I could have gone into more detail about the various ways I can make use of unused Sansas. When I give away unused monitors, hard drives, musical instruments, etc., I don't care what the recipient is going to do with them aside from assuring me they will be properly disposed of or returned to me if ultimately they are unusable.

Perhaps it is you, who assumed I was a disingenuous profiteer, that needs to lighten up. Instead you prolong this debate with little support.