christopherboyce


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bfotk wrote:Will this do anything at all in terms of getting a satellite (Dish Network or DirecTV) signal into a PC?



Yes. You must have the service, of course.

I run several of these (PCI versions) 24/7 in video encoder machines that stream broadcast cable for some critical applications. Great price on these and the performance is wonderful, as well.

SEEDEN


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Mysta wrote:The PCI-E looks to be a 1x slot. I believe it'll work in any larger slot, if i'm not mistaken.



Will it fit into my Dell SmallFormFactor box?
The Dell spec says I have a "Low-Profile" PCI slot.

pakopako


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Since people are WOOTing right now...
Is this the same card that comes with a remote and getting mixed reviews over at NewEgg?

I'm tempted to get it, as it gives my old P3-1GHz machine running XP a video input... but since it won't be for gaming due to lag, it'll make it a cheap DVR right?

LeeLorenz


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Big question: Can it handle tuning stations for both NTSC and QAM under Win7 Media Center?

I have a couple of "combo" cards, and y cable only offers the local stations in QAM, the rest must be viewed under NTSC. Unfortunately, the Pinnacle and Aver cards I have force me to choose between QAM tuning or NTSC tuning under media center.

EddieAngel333


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HEY ThunderThighs

ON THE ORDER PAGE THEY ARE BOTH LISTED AS HD 650'S CAN YOU PLEASE CLEAR THIS UP ?

IF THEY ARE BOTH HD 650'S I WOULD LIKE TO BUY ONE !

THIS IS WHAT IT READS...

You want oneI want 3 I want 2
ATI TV Wonder HDTV Tuner for PC
Kind:
TVW650PCIE for PCI-e TVW650PCI for PCI
You want 1 ATI TV Wonder ATSC/QAM HDTV Tuner Card(s).

You need to pick the kind for the first ATI TV Wonder ATSC/QAM HDTV Tuner Card.

Invisiblemoose


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digitoast wrote:FYI, folks:

The 650PCI does NOT have clearQAM support! You must buy the 650PCI-express if you want clearQAM.

The lack of clearQAM on the PCI is well documented on many reputable sites. Ex: the first google hit for "ati tv wonder 650 qam" returns http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=950104


The 650PCIexpress card isn't even up for sale...

nautikal


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digitoast wrote:FYI, folks:

The 650PCI does NOT have clearQAM support! You must buy the 650PCI-express if you want clearQAM.

The lack of clearQAM on the PCI is well documented on many reputable sites. Ex: the first google hit for "ati tv wonder 650 qam" returns http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=950104



http://www.amd.com/us/products/pctv/tv-wonder-tuners/Pages/tv-wonder-hd-650-pci-ntsc-atsc.aspx

Says it has clearQAM...

As awesome as AVS is, I'm more inclined to trust the product manufacturer's website. It also makes no sense that the PCIe and PCI versions would differ in their functionality.

davidrschulze


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Will this work with my satellite tv? And which one should I buy? Does the 600 PCIE take analog video in? (yellow connector), does the 650 PCI take two cables?

sparkerjc


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Jadin784 wrote:Which of these should I get if I'm just looking to use the s-video port to record lineouts from a Playstation 2? I'm not really worried about lag since I'd also be playing live on a tv. Does the PCI-e version ONLY work in an express, or will they both work with a regular PCI? I have an nVidia 6600 GT, does that matter? thanks for any help :>



Both can do S-video, the 600 can do RCA.

pakopako


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pakopako wrote:Since people are WOOTing right now...


Actually, one more thing that wasn't covered: Does this require an ATI graphics card to work properly, or would integrated graphics (on the system board or shared RAM) work as well? (again, trying to turn an old system into a mediocre DVR)

ohwhoaitzjoe


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Hey, I don't know much about TV Tuners, but I know I really want one! I just built a new system recently, and it'll be complete once I get a tuner running in it.

I know that for sure I want PCI Express, because my motherboard only has one PCI slot, reserved from the GPU.

I want to be able to use my HD cable. For example, I am subscribed to Time Warner Cable, and I receive HD channles via the cable box. Will a TV Tuner be able to work like a cable box? I don't know much about this ATSC stuff and what not.

And I don't want to use an antenna, I want to actually connect the cable from the wall into the Tuner.

Does anyone know if this tuner is for me?

BTW edit- I am on Windows 7!

magemastered


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chefbooyadee


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Th0r wrote:No, it will allow you to use your computer monitor as a TV.



Clarification: it will allow you to watch and record TV on your computer. (it requires a PC it requires a PC it requires a PC people will probably ask this question later anyway it requires a PC)

andyfelt wrote:Will this work overseas?



For digital TV, probably not; ATSC is used mainly for North America and 1 or 2 other places I don't recall. Most of the world is on DVB-T (read: some other system).

For analog TV, yes, so if you have analog broadcasts still, or more likely, analog cable TV, you can watch and record TV with your PC.

Beyond that, you can watch/record video from analog video sources through the S-Video and composite inputs. (NO component video)

Invisiblemoose


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pakopako wrote:Since people are WOOTing right now...
Is this the same card that comes with a remote and getting mixed reviews over at NewEgg?

I'm tempted to get it, as it gives my old P3-1GHz machine running XP a video input... but since it won't be for gaming due to lag, it'll make it a cheap DVR right?


No, it'll make a crummy DVR. You're better off just LANing AOEII on that thing.

Duhhh


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kerneltrap wrote:the picture of the 650 box on woot's page lists the 650 as a dual tuner, is that true?



Well, my 650PICe certainly is. I can record an HDTV broadcast OTA at the same time as I record an SD broadcast from std cable. If that's not enough, buy two cards and record 4 shows at once (just be prepared to boost your antenna AND cable signals when you split them).

n17ikh


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My roommate has the USB version of this (VisionTek TV Wonder 650) and it's awful. The ATI software suc­ks and there's no Linux support and, knowing ATI, there never will be any. That said, I 'm in for one of the better cards (the 650) because it has hardware MPEG-2 encoding and is supported in ChrisTV (which, incidentally, can bypass the encoder if you want to play video games through it without lag). I'm giving ATI a chance after getting burned on multiple products, here, so I'll see how it goes. I can flip it on ebay if I have to.

By the way, I'm still waiting on those Linux drivers for my ATI All-In-Wonder 7500 that I bought in 2003... perfectly serviceable piece of hardware, if not for the requirement on the braindead ATI software, which incidentally hasn't changed since about 2003 - even in the version shipping with the new USB HD tuners! So much for AMD's promises when they bought ATI.

tantris


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theturtleguy wrote:Mac? Linux?


Does't look like it.

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD_TV_Wonder_650_PCI

vidar378


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Some Reviews-
650 PCI:
Cnet
Amazon

650 PCI-e:
Amazon
HotHardware.com

linoth


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In an attempt to answer some questions that may come up...

PCI vs PCI-e?
PCI-e is the faster, "better" bus to use, but it's a newer specification and not all computers will support it. Also note that there ARE differences between the PCI and PCI-e cards listed here. And no, PCI and PCI-e cards cannot be used in each other's slots. PCI goes in PCI, PCI-e goes in PCI-e.

Differences?
The PCI card has an FM tuner for radio reception, and also has hardware MPEG-2 encoding. These are excellent features, especially for the price. However, the PCI-e card has S-video AND Composite in, as well as that little audio jack, giving it more flexibility. PCI-e is also the faster "language" for the cards, so performance might be slightly different. Additionally, the PCI card has that "AV In" jack which implies a connection adapter will be necessary, and one would hope included. No pictures of it though.

Will this work with over-the-air broadcast HDTV? With my standard def, non-cable box cable television?
Yes, it has both an ATSC and NTSC tuner. It should work with broadcast television, and cable service that doesn't require a cable box. You know your television service better than I do, though

How do I use this with my cable box/satelite?
Tricky. They don't appear to have an IR blaster, so changing channels will have to be done via your cable/satelite box and remote. You'll also have to prepare BOTH for recording by either leaving the box on, or setting it up to turn on and change channels accordingly, while also setting your PC up to record. Personally, I'd aim to try to connect via S-video if possible, then fall back on Composite and finally co-ax, in that order for best quality picture. Consult your cable/satelite box's manual, and simply consider the TV tuner card to be the "television" for the sake of connection diagrams.

Why does my standard definition cable look bad? My card must be cr.ap! I want a refund!
NTSC/standard definition broadcasts are very low quality. Most wouldn't take up a quarter of today's computer monitors or HDTV screens when run at their natural resolution and are instead stretched. They're also very full of "noise," or static. Because they have to be stretched, you really don't notice it until you run them through either a capture card like this or an HDTV, which both will have much, MUCH better resolution. Your card is perfectly fine. Your television signal is cr.ap.

You can't say that about my cable service! It works fine with my television from the 80s!
I don't work for Woot, but I HAVE worked for retailers, and have had to deal with that misconception. People who don't understand television signals are rather frustrating and typically stubborn, so it's nice to state it plainly for once

G'night all. No carp for me this Woot! Off, but it did give me some present ideas.

Invisiblemoose


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magemastered wrote:ATI Page for the 650 PCI

ATI Page for the 650 PCI-E


Enough of this. The 650pci-express version is NOT being sold here -- it's the 600. Woot made a mistake.

Only the PCI one is the 650.

animeorb


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I have a TVW650PCIE, if they had that for sale id prob get one, but Im fine for now.

stevenporter3


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A few questions:
1: Which would be better for my set up? (2.83 quad core, 9500gt, 4g ram)
2: will it be a problem to run with my 9500gt
3: Which would be a better buy for my setup, considering they aren't a problem mixing ati/nvidia

*Adaptec GameBridge TV USB2 Video Capture/TV Tuner
$17.99

beala


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I already asked for an Hauppauge HVR-2250 for x-mas, but this is too good a deal to pass up. If anything, it'll let me record one more program simultaneously.

I hope this works with Win7 and Media Center...

Barrels of Crud 11/20/2009, 12/25/2010

btvsphobicphobe


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I've only got a laptop - can an enclosure be found for it and will it work with a toshiba satellite?

a fellow wondering wanderer wayward traveler
Beannacht Dé leat!

dtherio


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digitoast wrote:FYI, folks:

The 650PCI does NOT have clearQAM support! You must buy the 650PCI-express if you want clearQAM.

The lack of clearQAM on the PCI is well documented on many reputable sites. Ex: the first google hit for "ati tv wonder 650 qam" returns http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=950104

And if you look at ATI's own product description:
http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/index.html.
You'll notice: "ClearQAM cable TV^2" referencing the fine print:
2: ClearQAM digital TV... ...Supported on ATI TV Wonder 650 Combo PCI Express



If you read all of the posts on the linked page above, you will notice first off that the posts are 2 years old (a lifetime in the computer world) also, the last post indicates that it is a software issue. That post mentions a software TV pack from MS that solves the problem.

I don't have one of these cards (yet), but I do actually check the comments on items I am not very familiar with first.

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Electrohacker


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no myth tv support = me buying "0"

digitoast


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Invisiblemoose wrote:The 650PCIexpress card isn't even up for sale...



No, it isn't for sale, but that shouldn't stop me from helping out people who do want clearQAM by telling them what card to look for.

EddieAngel333


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HEY ThunderThighs

ON THE ORDER PAGE THEY ARE BOTH LISTED AS HD 650'S CAN YOU PLEASE CLEAR THIS UP ?

IF THEY ARE BOTH HD 650'S I WOULD LIKE TO BUY ONE !

THIS IS WHAT IT READS...

You want oneI want 3 I want 2
ATI TV Wonder HDTV Tuner for PC
Kind:
TVW650PCIE for PCI-e TVW650PCI for PCI
You want 1 ATI TV Wonder ATSC/QAM HDTV Tuner Card(s).

You need to pick the kind for the first ATI TV Wonder ATSC/QAM HDTV Tuner Card.

I WANT THE TVW650PCIE

chefbooyadee


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ohwhoaitzjoe wrote:Hey, I don't know much about TV Tuners, but I know I really want one! I just built a new system recently, and it'll be complete once I get a tuner running in it.

I know that for sure I want PCI Express, because my motherboard only has one PCI slot, reserved from the GPU.

I want to be able to use my HD cable. For example, I am subscribed to Time Warner Cable, and I receive HD channles via the cable box. Will a TV Tuner be able to work like a cable box? I don't know much about this ATSC stuff and what not.

And I don't want to use an antenna, I want to actually connect the cable from the wall into the Tuner.

Does anyone know if this tuner is for me?

BTW edit- I am on Windows 7!



First, you'll want to check what slots you really have. The PCI slot for your GPU is probably a PCIe x16 slot; no modern GPU uses PCI. Check your motherboard guide if you have one, or look up your computer's model for the specs.

If you use a cable box, you can probably view/record video from it, but you won't be able to change channels(you'd connect to the cable box's outputs); I'm guessing your cable box is decoding signal, which the TV card can't do. Essentially, the TV card is like a TV; if you can plug your TV into your wall jack and get cable TV right away, the TV card will be able to also.

digitoast


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nautikal wrote:http://www.amd.com/us/products/pctv/tv-wonder-tuners/Pages/tv-wonder-hd-650-pci-ntsc-atsc.aspx

Says it has clearQAM...

As awesome as AVS is, I'm more inclined to trust the product manufacturer's website. It also makes no sense that the PCIe and PCI versions would differ in their functionality.



You missed the ATI reference that I also included, with a fine print footnote saying that only the PCI-express version will support clearQAM. Look for footnote #2 on the page:
http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/index.html

ohwhoaitzjoe


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chefbooyadee wrote:First, you'll want to check what slots you really have. The PCI slot for your GPU is probably a PCIe x16 slot; no modern GPU uses PCI. Check your motherboard guide if you have one, or look up your computer's model for the specs.

If you use a cable box, you can probably view/record video from it, but you won't be able to change channels(you'd connect to the cable box's outputs); I'm guessing your cable box is decoding signal, which the TV card can't do. Essentially, the TV card is like a TV; if you can plug your TV into your wall jack and get cable TV right away, the TV card will be able to also.



Oh you're correct, I just looked it up. Thanks for the heads up!

linoth


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stevenporter3 wrote:A few questions:
1: Which would be better for my set up? (2.83 quad core, 9500gt, 4g ram)
2: will it be a problem to run with my 9500gt
3: Which would be a better buy for my setup, considering they aren't a problem mixing ati/nvidia

ATI drivers seem to be a bit picky, to be honest, so I'd leave the compatibility as "grey" for now.

1. Which one best meets your need? Do you have PCI-e slots? If you don't, then the PCI-e is immediately eliminated. Do you have empty PCI slots? Processing power doesn't appear to be a concern though, so the non-hardware encoding PCI-e card should be fine, if it meets your need more readily.

2. See above. I've hard bad things about ATI graphics cards playing with non-ATI tuners, and vice versa. Try it and see, it's only a Jackson.

3. Again, what do you NEED? You're giving vague details, so it's hard to give a solid answer on that foundation.

annietsai


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in for 2 pci! just noticed the typo in the checkout page... that's confusing. but i'm going to use pci-e for vid card anyway so i need the pci version...

FreeskierInVT


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is this windows 7 compatible? if not, will it run under xp compatibility mode?

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lrgraham14


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This is a really good deal for a tv tuner! i bought the same tuner about a month ago an paid $40 for it


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stevenporter3


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linoth wrote:ATI drivers seem to be a bit picky, to be honest, so I'd leave the compatibility as "grey" for now.

1. Which one best meets your need? Do you have PCI-e slots? If you don't, then the PCI-e is immediately eliminated. Do you have empty PCI slots? Processing power doesn't appear to be a concern though, so the non-hardware encoding PCI-e card should be fine, if it meets your need more readily.

2. See above. I've hard bad things about ATI graphics cards playing with non-ATI tuners, and vice versa. Try it and see, it's only a Jackson.

3. Again, what do you NEED? You're giving vague details, so it's hard to give a solid answer on that foundation.



I currently have 3x PCI slots open and a PCIx1 open. I'd just like to use it to record some series from my dvr to my computer so that I could burn them off for my collection.

*Adaptec GameBridge TV USB2 Video Capture/TV Tuner
$17.99

chefbooyadee


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n17ikh wrote:My roommate has the USB version of this (VisionTek TV Wonder 650) and it's awful. The ATI software suc­ks and there's no Linux support and, knowing ATI, there never will be any. That said, I 'm in for one of the better cards (the 650) because it has hardware MPEG-2 encoding and is supported in ChrisTV (which, incidentally, can bypass the encoder if you want to play video games through it without lag). I'm giving ATI a chance after getting burned on multiple products, here, so I'll see how it goes. I can flip it on ebay if I have to.

By the way, I'm still waiting on those Linux drivers for my ATI All-In-Wonder 7500 that I bought in 2003... perfectly serviceable piece of hardware, if not for the requirement on the braindead ATI software, which incidentally hasn't changed since about 2003 - even in the version shipping with the new USB HD tuners! So much for AMD's promises when they bought ATI.



Except for the software, you can't really compare USB units to cards for analog TV. There's more data processing that goes on than can be handled, and USB units tend not to have HW MPEG-2 encoders (because they're built to be cheap).

If you're talking about digital TV though, then that's different.

EddieAngel333


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ATTENTION BTW

THESE ARE NOT MADE BY ATI THEY ARE MADE BY DIAMOMD UNDER LICENCE FROM ATI

SOME HAVE LINKED THE ATI PAGE AS THE MANUFACTURER !

ATI DOES MAKE THEIR OWN VERSIONS THIS IS NOT THOSE !
THESE ARE MADE BY DIAMOND !
AND ARE A GREAT MAKER AND VALUE !
THEY MAY HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFRENT STATS !

HERE IS THE LINK TO DIAMONDS PAGE...

http://www.diamondmm.com/TVW650PCIE.php

chefjoe


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digitoast wrote:You missed the ATI reference that I also included, with a fine print footnote saying that only the PCI-express version will support clearQAM. Look for footnote #2 on the page:
http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/index.html


I have a 650 PCI tuner that I use to record clear QAM from comcast. Even the 650 PCI website says it supports clear QAM. You, sir, are incorrect in saying it does not.

http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/pci/index.html

uttitanfan


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I didn't see anything about included software on a CD. I bought a ATI USB 600 stick about 2 years ago and lost the CD. Now I can't find how to download PVR software from the ati site. They only want you to download the ati catalyst drivers. IF it is there it is buried. So here is the question:

Do you have to download the PVR software or is it included?