NightGhost


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rlorenz89 wrote:Okay guys, I've been looking into Sansa players for a while now, and I'd like your opinion: how's the sound quality? I own a few Zunes and some mp3 players that far outdate the iPod, and I've been generally pleased with their sound. How does this Sansa Fuze stack up against, say, the Zune?



Adding my personal experience: I have a Creative Zen, an iPod touch, and three Sansas, and the Sansas all have better sound than the other brands.

NightGhost


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pvoors


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This is a great buy! I have had a fuse player for about six months and I love it. It has been dropped countless times and ended up in the washing machine once and it still works. It has a great battery life too.

durfinator


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NightGhost wrote:Adding my personal experience: I have a Creative Zen, an iPod touch, and three Sansas, and the Sansas all have better sound than the other brands.



I have to agree with NightGhost. The sound is great compared to other mp3 players I have had (zune included).

I'm a total cheapass so this fits my budget nicely, and you can add storage w/mico SDHC cards. My entire CD collection has now been converted to a few of these cards, so I can listen to anything, anywhere, anytime just by switching the cards in & out. Totally not a rip-off.

Seward93


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?



Because of the frequency that AM operates on, the antenna is required to be long, good straight ones are over 100ft. long and even if you coil it up it still is quite large. You can make an FM radio smaller than the antenna for AM.

Short answer- physical size. AM radios have to be much larger than FM.

wherever99


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?



AM radio operates at 100 times lower frequency, so several components, such as capacitors, have to be larger. The headphone cord doesn't make a very good antenna at that wavelength, so AM radios typically use a ferrite rod for the antenna, which can't be made very small. Also, AM doesn't have the intrinsic noise suppression of FM, so you get get more interference from nearby digital devices, including the processor in the player itself.

In short, it's too hard to make them small enough, and the antenna is more of a problem.

dave313


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Will woot this one...been wanting to get a nice small MP3 player for in the car. Picked up a travel charger/car pack from Amazon for $5.20 too.

roadhunter


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?


Because no one under the age of 60 listens to AM radio.

ayago


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In for one, I'll be passing my 2gig Ipod Nano on to one of the kids when I get this bad boy...

icarryapara


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I purchased the 2gb version from a previous woot deal. The are two problems I have encountered with it: first of all, when you receive the item, take the earbuds and toss them into the closest sarlacc. Secondly, I have not yet figured out how to view a video file on the device even using the special downloaded software from sandisk. Any video I have uploaded hasn't performed properly.
My intention was never to use it as a video player as I have a larger screened Ipod for that purpose. When I received my sandisk player, I added to it an 8gb micro sd card and now have a very capable, portable, easy to see, and easy to use mp3/flac player that I can take anywhere I go.
One of my favorite things about this media player is that you can simply replace the micro sd card with another pre-loaded with music and have a completely new playlist in the very same player.
Happy wooting!

wootuser1967


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Rockbox will install on v2 Fuzes. There is one problem with the USB port not working so it was disabled in the latest build:

(Re USB Support)
** SansaAMS v2: Currently disabled because it buttafuocos randomly. Until its ready, use the original firmware's USB by booting the OF before connecting the USB cable. (Booting into original firmware (OF) is done by pressing left on the dial during startup.

I bought 2 of the 8 GB versions a couple of weeks ago and couldn't be happier. I think the build quality is excellent. I've also used the e2x0 series and several CLIPs. I lose them so this is a great way to keep one handy.

waltz4themoon


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Does anyone know if the screen displays foreign languages not written with the latin alphabet?

pmezger


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?



AM Requires to much room for an effective antenna

simplismic


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?



Probably because it's hard to make a really small AM antenna.

wd5gnr


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?



If you picture a radio wave it makes a sine wave (like a hill and then an upside down hill and then another hill). The distance between the hill tops is the wavelength. FM radio is about 3 meters.

It is very hard to make an antenna for anything smaller than 1/4 wavelength. You can do tricks like coiling up the wire but it hurts performance the more tricks you employ. So 3/4 of a meter is about 30 inches. And you can coil that up pretty easily and get reasonable performance.

AM radio, on the other hand is about 300 METERS! So coiling up 75 meters of wire (240 something feet) is way harder and gives worse results. There are a few other reasons too. The electronic noise from the CPU will be more evident in the AM radio section. There are other components that will probably be bigger as we work with a 300m signal instead of a 3m one.

mrbball87


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neovenator wrote:I got the 8gb version of this here recently and LOVE it. Holy cow, it blew my old Creative Zen completely out of the water! I've only had it a few days, but I am utterly in love with it. I'm certain this one is just as great.



I also just bought the 8gb version from woot from almost 2 weeks ago and it is great! It is perfect if all you want is a simple mp3 player with radio, video, good sound, and a great price.

kh99


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?



I'm thinking it's something to do with antenna size.

kogaku


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Well, I once more cheated the Twelve Step Program for Recovering Fuze Buyers. ;)

Fortunately, I got off easy this time -- just a "You REALLY bought ANOTHER Fuze last night? How many do you need?"

(I am of the same opinion on this matter as the SCOTUS is on the Second Amendment, or, to snark a line from Tina Turner, "What's need got to do with it?" ;)

(Besides, when I found out they'd discontinued the Fuze, I made a point of staking my claim -- I told her I intended to get at least one more 4GB and one more 8GB Fuze, the NEXT TIME that I saw them listed on Woot. I then made sure there was no way to parse me out of it, by saying, for example, if they list a 4GB, I will buy at least one, and then, if they list an 8GB a day or two later, I'll buy at least one of those, too.)

A man learns to think ahead... (and, by buying her an Asus Notebook during the last Wootoff, it sort of made it difficult to grieve me over one piddling little Fuze).

I haven't read the thread yet, been plowing through a bunch of "life" that's cropped up, major sleep deficit. I did scan a few of the posts, and saw the usual stuff about hoping it's a V1 so that they can install Rockbox (that hasn't been an issue for a long time -- Rockbox runs BETTER on my V2 Fuzes than it does on my V1 Fuzes -- and the native firmware runs better on the V2 also -- the V1 is notorious for locking up when trying to play videos from the Micro SD card, whereas the V2 has no such issues -- and, Rockbox could care less -- its superior video playback system runs rings around the native firmware on EITHER variety of Fuze, on main, or card memory.)

I was surprised that the last sale didn't sell out -- I was really expecting it to, given the frantic "Fuze hunt" going on out in the world -- I've seen lots of reports of people depressed over being unable to find anything other than very high-priced Fuzes in the few places that still have them, and those that did have decent prices now have bare shelves.

Sansa, IMO, just pulled a "New Coca Cola" mis-step -- but, unlike the liquid realm, I don't think there'll be any virtual "Coke Classic" to sate the customers.

The type of people that the Fuze appeals to are not the type of people that the "replacement" appeals to. In fact, based on the reports I've seen, there just aren't all that many that the "replacement" DOES appeal to. The two devices are totally different critters, sharing little beyond a name.

Too sad, but, thankfully us Fuze-junkies can pick up a fix here, for the time being.

PS: On the off chance that this hasn't already been addressed several times already, for those using the native firmware, the EASIEST way to get videos converted for your Fuze is to use the free "video4fuze" program, which can be downloaded from the googlecode site (URL not handy, but you can find it in a few seconds if you look).

For those using Rockbox, the free WinFF program does the trick nicely. Free, easy to use, bereft of adware, spyware, or other malwares (BOTH of these converters).

Don't be comforted by "It uses AVI files" -- yeah, the files it uses DO end in "dot a v i" -- but, they are NOT the kind of AVI files that a standard file transcoding program will produce. (They're close enough to "normal" that they WILL play in VLC -- but then, EVERYTHING plays in VLC -- but, the inverse is not true -- if you try to play a standard AVI file, all you'll get is an error message telling you to use the Sansa Media Converter -- generally considered an exercise in futility.)

The video4fuze app does the AVI conversion, AND, it does the necessary tweaking that's required to insert the secret sauce that the native firmware NEEDS in an AVI file.

But still, the Rockbox video player is superior -- better image quality ("dithering" option to avoid banding in big expanses of smoothly gradated area), higher frame rate, MUCH better bookmarking and resume-tracking, and, perhaps best of all, NO need for ANY special converter.

Get 'em while you can, folks! (But try to leave a few more for me at the next Wootoff! ;))

Sarisin


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Now, if it had HD radio, you could get many of those AM stations you want. Love my HD Zune for that, but for portable music you really can't beat these Sansa players. I have a zillion of them.

wooter117


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I Don't recommend. Bought one on this site, a refurb, and died w/in a year. I wish I had spent the extra for a new one. Now I have reload all my music onto another device. . . and can not access any tunes on dead sanza. Would spend more $$ to avoid having to reload everything, also lost my playlists and folders when it died.

hackman2007


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I have the 4GB model of this (a V2, which isn't stable with Rockbox at the moment, not sure which you will get here) and my only real gripe is the fact that the battery is non-user replaceable. It really sucks since that means you will be replacing it in a few years. But for this price, who cares.

If you are wanting to watch some video, get Video4Fuze as well, it blows the Sansa Media Converter out of the water.

wootmysnoot


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?

Because the general public could not care less about AM radio.

wootmysnoot


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roadhunter wrote:Because no one under the age of 60 listens to AM radio.

Nice, roadhunter! (and generally true too)

wootmysnoot


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NightGhost wrote:Adding my personal experience: I have a Creative Zen, an iPod touch, and three Sansas, and the Sansas all have better sound than the other brands.


I have this player bought new. It works well and sounds fantastic through fairly high-end headphones.

tatterbits


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So I guess noone could answer that AM antennae question.

OutbackJon


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?


Most likely it is because what would be needed to make an effective AM antenna is too large to fit inside such a small device. FM radios can use the wire in the headphone cord as an antenna, but AM can't. The most common type of AM antenna is a coil that is thicker than most of these devices. (Around 3/8" if I remember correctly - and 2" or more long)

cyclone85


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cmkern22 wrote:Can someone explain why AM radio is never included on these type of devices?



I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think that receiving AM signals with any quality requires an audio transformer, which would be too big or too heavy (or both) for a device of this size.

lsandy


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xlsior wrote:Damn, one more thing. The screen is easy to scratch. I put a piece of packing tape over it and haven't had any problems since. Tape is easy to replace, too.


I use ipod nano socks I picked up from the local dollar tree to protect my screen when throwing it into my pocket with keys and change.. 6 socks for a dollar.

hdmatrix


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Does anyone know if Rockbox will enable the Fuze to work better with the Ford Sync System?

tatterbits


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lsandy wrote:I use ipod nano socks I picked up from the local dollar tree to protect my screen when throwing it into my pocket with keys and change.. 6 socks for a dollar.



Thank you for that tidbit o' info!!!

limecat


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I bought the 8 GB one Woot! had a while back. It is very easy to use and I definitely prefer it to an iPod. Thanks Woot!

bensa


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I just got my 8gb a couple of days ago and I'm loving it. I'm tempted to get another one of these today just for the hell of it. Never know when I'll need a spare / gift.

PennySandwich


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wanpakumono wrote:One thing on Audiobooks: Before you sync them to your Sansa, change the "Genre" tag to "Audiobook" The Sansa will then remember where you last left off (bookmark). This is great for those large single-file audiobooks from netlibrary or overdrive.



Thank you, this is very helpful!! Hope you got a lovely bunch of coconuts for that.

RonDace


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I have had several sansas but I like the Fuze the best. Right now I am listening to the Fuze / Filo e6 LOD / Penguine Caffeine amp / Etymotic Er4P combination as we speak (or as I type) and it sounds very good for an office setup. Every once in a while a song comes along that fits the sonic characteristics of that combination so well that I am taken aback and have to stop and listen more closely. While you don't have to add a headphone amp to enjoy the Fuze, it certainly kicks the enjoyment up a level.

How many Woots would a Wooter Woot if a Wooter would Woot Woots?

robatack


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sc4bbk wrote:Sansa Fuze!!!!

I have a mix of around 80% Q9 OGG, 10% Q10 OGG and 10% of FLAC music and it holds about 335 of them.

Thinking of extending the capacity with a 32GB MicroSD card when they become cheap enough.



*WARNING*
I put in a 8gb card into my 4gb Fuze and it would only recognize 4gb. Not sure if there is a trick for making it work but wanted to give you (and the rest of you wooters) a heads up.

I do really enjoy this mp3 player. We have 2 and have a Rhapsody to go subscription. $15 a month for unlimited music for up to 3 devices and 3 more computers isnt too shabby.

birdgrrl


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Oooh. In for 3!

lsandy


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tatterbits wrote:Thank you for that tidbit o' info!!!



You're welcome. By they way, empty Altoid boxes are great for wrapping this up for a Christmas stocking stuffer.

here's a list of some things for the fuse(software wise)

Video encoding: Video4fuze (sansa firmware) WinFF (Rockbox firmware)

content: Archive.org & Juice(for downloading podcast feeds)

Other: Media Monkey(Music management alternative to WMP) MP3Tag for retagging mp3 files

Sansa forums are helpful and the anythingbutipod.com forums can be helpful and confusing at the same time.

YouCantWootThis


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we have two of these and they are excellent. the screen is too small to be practical for video, but I do that on my phone.

as a diehard rhapsody user, this is my favorite device for music.

mercedes1531


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My third Fuze, the 8gb from a recent Woot, just arrived and as a bonus it came loaded with music, most of which I actually like. I am tempted to pick up a couple for gifts today.