tatterbits


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I went with the Neo balls.. thanks Zen and woot!

patch96


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tatterbits wrote:I went with the Neo balls.. thanks Zen and woot!



Me too.

Just bought my bro, bro-in-law, uncle, and me Xmas gifts

Thanks Woot and Zen Master.

(BB should really address that youtube video. That guy comes across as really credible and makes bb seem cheap)

DoublEE


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woot.buckeyballs

tatterbits


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patch96 wrote:Me too.

Just bought my bro, bro-in-law, uncle, and me Xmas gifts

Thanks Woot and Zen Master.

(BB should really address that youtube video. That guy comes across as really credible and makes bb seem cheap)



I have to agree... one of the reasons I leaned for the Zen/Neo product.

jlfalk726


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Just found a recall on these on consumer reports, careful around children 7 check reports for gifts, many do contain lead

Jennifer L Roseth

JanoooseTreezon


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riv413 wrote:I believe the silver IS the regular edition as opposed to the gold or black.



Pro Tip, check moofi.woot.com for black and gold

Janiix

wootleey


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I would totally get these, if it were not for the $30 price tag. Woot!, please offer them individually for $10-15, I would totally buy one then. Right now though, $35 (plus shipping) is too much to spend on a toy for a broke college student.

tatterbits


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wootleey wrote:I would totally get these, if it were not for the $30 price tag. Woot!, please offer them individually for $10-15, I would totally buy one then. Right now though, $35 (plus shipping) is too much to spend on a toy for a broke college student.



Pssst... go here...http://deals.woot.com/?page=2

cdn23


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bad item check it out on the recall list on todays msn.com page.
http://specials.msn.com/A-List/Lifestyle/2010-toy-recalls.aspx?cp-documentid=26616692&imageindex=16&cp-searchtext=2010%20Buckyballs%20High%20Powered%20Magnets%20Sets%20recall&FORM=MSNIIT

horrellbt01


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riv413 wrote:I believe the silver IS the regular edition as opposed to the gold or black.



Actually this is addressed in the selling info -

Add the Silver Edition Buckyballs to your collection to obtain a complete set of Black, Gold, Original & Silver Buckyballs

Silver Edition Buckyballs are plated with real silver


bobthenormal


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To add my own rationalizing to the Zen vs BB debate - I bought Zen because they were cheaper AND higher quality, not just because they're higher quality.

And let me explain by what I think higher quality means here: I mean that the tolerance precision is better, as proven in a video by the Zen people. What does that mean? To me (with some materials engineering background) it suggests more care is given to the production of Zen which would prolong the life so that the chipping/flaking of the coating on the magnets lasts longer. For a bunch of spheres constantly smashing into each other and rubbing, any imperfections (and they are bound to exist or be created eventually anyway) to the surface would be a stress concentrator where a potential fracture in the coating (flaking) could start. I see the benefit in high precision greatly prolonging the life of the magnets. (Another tip would be try not to let them "smash" into each other that much.)

But, that is all just implied/intuitive to me (granted, with a background more suited than most for this type of judgment) and it is does not guarantee anything.

Another reason I like Zen is that they appear to run their business the way I would like the businesses I deal with to be run - with a mind for profit, but a higher value on customer long term satisfaction. Of course, satisfaction is not the only result of good intentions - maybe the work put into the Zen magnets is misplaced and makes no improvement in satisfaction. But I want the business to at least TRY to have my interests in mind when they're making these decisions, not JUST profits. If they don't me as the consumer in their interests, it obviously becomes in their best interest to make their profits AT MY LOSS. The most profitable business would be to sell someone something that is free (or close to) AND have them keep returning to buy a new one because the old one stopped working. (Like how phone companies work, basically.)

The people saying "oh we buy everything from scummy people in the US" are missing the point. Just because things are done a certain way doesn't mean that's the best way to do it and it's not an excuse. By the same logic I could say "oh people [something bad] all the time, there's no reason I shouldn't."

Fortunately, unlike the many ways people inconvenience other people using the above logic, today the hilarious part of that response, followed by "in for 3!" is that in my eyes you're the one losing - you're buying the Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (1964)er product for more money. The only way that's really hurting me is by giving money to some Jack Frost who will no doubt use it to continue being a Jack Frost.

Of course, if stupidity like that continues to be an acceptable way to act, we eventually get huge corporations that everyone hates yet everyone has to pay them to get the services they want because they have formed a monopoly. (Again, phone companies.)

There is one possible saving grace for BB's that would make me possibly buy them - if it's true they'll replace them for free (with shipping, amazon-style) if they begin chipping. I don't see this "lifetime guarantee" for either BB or Zen anywhere on the sites but I saw someone mention it in the comments. If there was a lifetime guarantee, it might be worth it to go a little more expensive, because after a few years I imagine even the Zen ones will flake. (I have a lot of old Nb magnets, it's a very brittle material so the coatings have a hard time.)

But I really don't have to think about it - Zen offers a lower quality magnet they say are still 33% higher tolerance than BB for =====LESS than even the deal on Woot for BBs=====. It's really Scroogeic to buy the BBs unless the Neoballs run out.

Now lets see how long it takes for someone to post TL;DR.

tatterbits


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bobthenormal wrote:To add my own rationalizing to the Zen vs BB debate - I bought Zen because they were cheaper AND higher quality, not just because they're higher quality.

And let me explain by what I think higher quality means here:



>_<


that just made my head hurt.....however I think we agree.. o_O

naturlich1


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BIGELLOW wrote:If it helps, imagine you're putting the majority of the money in the pockets of all of the employees involved, whereas only a portion goes specifically to the CEO.

Alternately, you can imagine that all of those employees are also A-holes. They probably don't deserve your hard earned money anyway.

Sure, there's Steve who has been battling cancer for a while, but 10 years ago he cheated on his wife. Karma's a beeeotch.

Then, there's Kathy whose son died last year after being hit by a drunk driver. Of course, she cheated on her taxes, so she doesn't deserve any money.

Let's all dig into the personal lives and judge the worthiness of all employees and CEOs of companies before buying products we might want. It will make the world a better place, I promise.

Or else we'll all be living out in the wilderness, eating berries and worms and huddling inside of tents. Oh, wait. What company made this tent?



Disclaimer: my two cents lend absolutely nothing to the discussion directly regarding Buckyballs, but this is the first review that I saw, and it impressed me enough to log in and say...this is awesome. Yeah, that's really my reason for posting. Oh, and I don't plan on purchasing Buckyballs but I think I'll get the shirt.

frulus


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I bought two sets of these. Kept 2 and the other 2 were gifts. The one set I played with was cool and fun but it ended up being a cool magnet for the fridge. The other one I was keeping on my desks metal frame.... the second set now has lost I would say 50% of its magnetic pool. I can have 2 metal ropes next to each within 6-7 mm(millimeters) away from each other and they dont attract each other. Plus the paint is coming off them. Also some of them wont even line up in a straight line like they first did out of the box. I will try Zen....

FUN: Great
QUALITY: .... meh

mobyhack


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I wanted the zenmagnets "neoballs" because I'm not as concerned about the magnetic field quality (they'll be fun to play with, no matter which brand you get), but I like that the coating is so much better. I've played with much cheaper magnetic toys where the coating has chipped and flaked off, and they started making a big mess.

Unfortunately, that Zen deal is "sold out" now.

roadhunter


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radi0j0hn wrote:Anyone know where I can buy an artificial Christmas tree made of steel? See, then I could use these for decorations.


A welder friend made one for me years ago, but it's 7' tall and weighs about 75 pounds, so it would cost a few hundred to ship it to you. The branches are different diameter rebar, and the trunk was textured by welds running the entire length of it. Pretty amazing, to tell the truth.

Christiebunny


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darkxb wrote:One death since 2005? That's the number one hidden home hazard? meh



There's been a lot more than that from loose magnets like these... my nephew was one of them.

roadhunter


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bobthenormal wrote:
And let me explain by what I think higher quality means here: I mean that the tolerance precision is better, as proven in a video by the Zen people. What does that mean? To me (with some materials engineering background) it suggests more care is given to the production of Zen which would prolong the life so that the chipping/flaking of the coating on the magnets lasts longer. For a bunch of spheres constantly smashing into each other and rubbing, any imperfections (and they are bound to exist or be created eventually anyway) to the surface would be a stress concentrator where a potential fracture in the coating (flaking) could start. I see the benefit in high precision greatly prolonging the life of the magnets.


What's your time worth? I mean, how much do you make? If you're making, say, $80K per year, you just spent enough of your time to pay for two sets of these things. Get over it. They're toys, and you'll be bored with them long before they wear out.


roadhunter


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JanoooseTreezon wrote:Pro Tip, check moofi.woot.com for black and gold


No, that just gets you the silver ones again.

BillThePoet


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Are they stored in separate warehouses? Seems like the combined magnetic field of a bazillion buckyballs moving around the Woot warehouse would degauss Woot's various products that use traditional magnetic memory storage.

tatterbits


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Christiebunny wrote:There's been a lot more than that from loose magnets like these... my nephew was one of them.



Sorry to hear that Christie..

tatterbits


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roadhunter wrote:No, that just gets you the silver ones again.



This is the message I get when I press I want one..

BUCKYBALLS 216 PIECE MAGNETIC SET 2-PACK - BLACK & GOLD EDITIONS

cernenus


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jenn072075 wrote:So is the website right now.... plus $5.95 shipping.

Why is Zen better?



In theory, the size tolerance is higher, so the size of the balls is more uniform, making them easier to work with, and making assembled shapes straighter etc. Magnet strength appears to be marginally higher, and the finish is smoother, making them 'prettier' especially if taking macro photo's of your assembled creations.

mattlscc


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These things look pretty cool! I'm thinking about giving them as a secret santa gift this year.

jcocn311


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Not really cool!!! size is misleading. there about the size of BB's maybe even smaller

Pooracle


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Doesn't the silver coating weaken the magnetic field of these?

Silver is diamagnetic; pure silver repels magnetic fields. I am guessing that when the poles crack or wear away it will shed it's shell much faster than the other coatings.

steff13


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Christiebunny wrote:There's been a lot more than that from loose magnets like these... my nephew was one of them.



I'm sorry to hear about this.

I think my boys (9 & 11) would love these, and they would be great for their stockings. However, new baby sister (3 months) is going to start putting everything in her mouth soon, and I don't know if I can trust the boys to keep track of all those little balls.

Pooracle


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bobthenormal wrote:

And let me explain by what I think higher quality means here: I mean that the tolerance precision is better, as proven in a video by the Zen people. What does that mean? To me (with some materials engineering background) it suggests more care is given to the production of Zen which would prolong the life so that the chipping/flaking of the coating on the magnets lasts longer. For a bunch of spheres constantly smashing into each other and rubbing, any imperfections (and they are bound to exist or be created eventually anyway) to the surface would be a stress concentrator where a potential fracture in the coating (flaking) could start. I see the benefit in high precision greatly prolonging the life of the magnets. (Another tip would be try not to let them "smash" into each other that much.)



Your materials engineering missed out on the inherent problems using a metallic silver coating over a magnetic surface.

typh00n


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tatterbits wrote:This is the message I get when I press I want one..

BUCKYBALLS 216 PIECE MAGNETIC SET 2-PACK - BLACK & GOLD EDITIONS



The link from deals.woot.com:
http://moofi.woot.com/moofi/Clacky-click

tatterbits


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typh00n wrote:The link from deals.woot.com:
http://moofi.woot.com/moofi/Clacky-click



Yeah, that one... gets you to the gold and black ones..

vladistov


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radi0j0hn wrote:Anyone know where I can buy an artificial Christmas tree made of steel? See, then I could use these for decorations.



You mean like one of them synthetic artificial steel Christmas trees?

cernenus


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Christiebunny wrote:There's been a lot more than that from loose magnets like these... my nephew was one of them.



What product was at fault?

From what I've heard the main problem was things like those 'stick and ball' construction sets that had a bunch of steel balls, that you then joined with plastic sticks which had magnets embedded in the ends. Like this: http://www.toysandgamesonline.com/asp/show_detail.asp?sku=PRT1003
The problem is that kids would chew on the plastic sticks, and pop out comes a magnet in their mouth, and it gets swallowed.. time passes, kid chewing on another stick some time later, same thing.. those magnets pass into the intestine without getting together in the stomach, and then end up 'joining' up with a pair of intestinal walls between them, and it all goes downhill from there.

While I'd never advocate letting a little kid play with these, just in case. that sort of accident is I think a lot less likely with that

cernenus


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horrellbt01 wrote:Actually this is addressed in the selling info -

Add the Silver Edition Buckyballs to your collection to obtain a complete set of Black, Gold, Original & Silver Buckyballs

Silver Edition Buckyballs are plated with real silver



Oh well..

one has to wonder about that, silver not being cheap, would not likely be plated very thickly.. and would tend to tarnish especially after contact with human skin which tends to be a bit acidic..

I think I'd rather just have a nice solid chrome plating than what I expect will be a thin plating of silver, which will either tarnish or rapidly wear off.

ThunderThighs


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cdn23 wrote:bad item check it out on the recall list on todays msn.com page.
http://specials.msn.com/A-List/Lifestyle/2010-toy-recalls.aspx?cp-documentid=26616692&imageindex=16&cp-searchtext=2010%20Buckyballs%20High%20Powered%20Magnets%20Sets%20recall&FORM=MSNIIT

That is explained right on the Woot main page and has been so in every offering of Buckyballs.

polkmc


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dran15 wrote:These things are a blast. I usually squeeze them in my hand while I'm ready boring books for class.



That's What She Said

ravenlith


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I would like to buy a set of black and gold for my teenage cousins and I don't know which one to get for them, BB or Zen. It seems that there are plenty of arguments about the superiority of Zen products(as well as niceness) but my concern is that BB seems to have better packaging.
I got BBs myself a couple days ago - before I learned about Zen - and the crisp-looking clear plastic packaging with the shiny black and gold logo designs
really pleased me when I first saw them.

Now, if I knew about Zen before I got my BBs I certainly would have gone for that since I care a lot more about the quality and price than pretty package myself, but it's a different story if it's a present for teenagers, where the first impression when one opens it adds a whole lot to the joy of gift-receiving. Especially if the recipient knows jack Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (1964)about magnetic ball toys (or zen vs bb debate.)

And from what I read in ZenMagnets, it seems that Zen comes in a padded envelope and a thin little bag, which makes me worry that it would look cheap or like it was bought from ebay or something...

So a question for those who have Zen: is the Zen packaging significantly worse than BB as it sounds?(pics of BB package online...http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/bbe8/) Does it look cheaper or would it still look okay as a gift?

ThatPoshGirl


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I see the warning says not to put these in my nose or mouth. I assume since there is no mention of ears, it is okay if I put this in my ear. I wonder what magnets sound like.

neiloz


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DON'T buy these if you have young children. I am a pediatric radiologist and are aware of children being made seriously ill because they ingested multiple small, high power magnets like these. What happens is the little magnets go through the Gastro-Intestinal Tract and then they stick together between the loops of bowel. Then they cause a hole between the bowel loops because of pressure erosion and the gut contents spill out.. the rest is obvious. This has been published in the medical literature: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2595063/

Beware!

roycee


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Buckyballs, diamonds, carbon nanotubes.

Well rounded toys, I'd say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullerene

According to astronomer Letizia Stanghellini, "It’s possible that buckyballs from outer space provided seeds for life on Earth."

Mommy? Zat choo?

ianj707


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W(.Y.)T! Stack me dooown..