brennyn wrote:Even if you don't like the unnatural smoothness, the real utility of 120 Hz is that it's the lowest common denominator of 24 and 30.

Hmmm. Not to undermine your credibility, but 120 is the least common MULTIPLE of 24 and 30. (If the numbers were fractions, and 24 and 30 were the respective denominators in the fractions, then you would be correct in saying that the least common denominator of the 2 fractions was 120. But they aren't, so you aren't.)

60hz will not work for 3d games. Other than that, most people won't find many problems. I buy Vizio everything now, never had a problem, great color, brightness, contrast.

brennyn wrote:Even if you don't like the unnatural smoothness, the real utility of 120 Hz is that it's the lowest common denominator of 24 and 30.

Ok ... and what does being the lowest common denominator of those two numbers buy us in practical terms? This is not a quiz show.

60Hz is the lowest rate that you can get where most people do not percieve an annoying flicker with the refresh. 50Hz is what some manufactures try to get by with. 3d shutter glasses use a separate picture for each eye, so with a 60Hz monitor you get an effective 30Hz refresh rate. With a 120Hz monitor the glasses cut it to (ta da!) an effective 60Hz rate.

The only rates you will find out there are 60Hz and 120Hz, and you will pay a lot extra for the 120Hz because it is "3d ready" if it is not being sold as "3d" directly.

jerrryy wrote:After market product, same as I use on my check engine light, black electrical tape.LOL

It's not a good idea to ignore your check engine light. There are a number of things that can cause it to go on. Admittedly, some are trivial, such as a loose gas cap, but others, such as faulty wiring, could end up costing you a lot of $$ if you don't tend to them.

rmhartman wrote:Ok ... and what does being the lowest common denominator of those two numbers buy us in practical terms? This is not a quiz show.

60Hz is the lowest rate that you can get where most people do not percieve an annoying flicker with the refresh. 50Hz is what some manufactures try to get by with. 3d shutter glasses use a separate picture for each eye, so with a 60Hz monitor you get an effective 30Hz refresh rate. With a 120Hz monitor the glasses cut it to (ta da!) an effective 60Hz rate.

The only rates you will find out there are 60Hz and 120Hz, and you will pay a lot extra for the 120Hz because it is "3d ready" if it is not being sold as "3d" directly.

They usually mean 240hz when they sell a tv as 3d, and 120 hz for 3d ready.

60hz is pretty much the standard for computer monitors (occasionally 75) so this would be perfect for that. I'm not even sure when 120 is supposed to look better (besides 3d), the only time I've ever noticed a difference is when you get the "soap opera effect" and it looks like your watching somebodies home videos or a live play, which effectively means 120Hz looks WORSE than 60.

There's a reason Vizios are priced where they are, and when you take the pepsi challenge against a solid tv manufacturer, you see it. Some people are happy to take good enough, and that's fine, but if you really care about performance, vizio will not be good enough.

sinameki wrote:Compared to other 37 inch tvs, 100,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio is satisfying.

Not sure if troll.

Dynamic Contrast Ratio has no standard measure, varies between manufacturers, and is essentially marketing at its finest.

Do not decide on a TV purchase based on Dynamic Contrast Ratio.

Logan5nx wrote:Is there an option to turn off the lighted logo on the front? It always bugged me on a family member's vizio.

jerrryy wrote:After market product, same as I use on my check engine light, black electrical tape.LOL

NightGhost wrote:It's not a good idea to ignore your check engine light. There are a number of things that can cause it to go on. Admittedly, some are trivial, such as a loose gas cap, but others, such as faulty wiring, could end up costing you a lot of $$ if you don't tend to them.

One might need to fool the Jiffy Smog clerk, though... Wait, it's still going to throw a code though, isn't it? Ignoring a CEL isn't the smartest thing, but it's better than just topping off the coolant as necessary, knowing the radiator needs to be replaced, on an E39 5 Series at that... Not that I'm doing that at the moment or anything. Um, yeah, anyway... :/

thinks the remote looks like an old Zenith TV remote.

MikeMalott85 wrote:thinks the remote looks like an old Zenith TV remote.

You think you know old Zenith remotes? Let's see, will a Google Image Search turn up... Why yes it will, how could I ever doubt?


Now THAT's an old Zenith remote control. My grandparents had this 25-30 years ago. It used audible clicks, rather than light/radio signals, to control the TV. If you jangled a set of keys, it would lower the volume (until it wrapped around the bottom, and started blaring).

This "cool story bro" post brought to you by an early sell-out.

I bought the 32" version of this last year. TV was great BUT the component inputs don't work, the color is skewed and blue. We did not find out until we tried to use these inputs a couple weeks ago. I guess that is what "refurbished" means...

CaptainTr1pps wrote:I'm not even sure when 120 is supposed to look better (besides 3d), the only time I've ever noticed a difference is when you get the "soap opera effect" and it looks like your watching somebodies home videos or a live play, which effectively means 120Hz looks WORSE than 60.

My friend and I usually call it the, "The Making Of" Effect. As if you're not really watching the movie, you're watching the behind the scenes footage of that movie.

CaptainTr1pps wrote:They usually mean 240hz when they sell a tv as 3d, and 120 hz for 3d ready.

60hz is pretty much the standard for computer monitors (occasionally 75) so this would be perfect for that. I'm not even sure when 120 is supposed to look better (besides 3d), the only time I've ever noticed a difference is when you get the "soap opera effect" and it looks like your watching somebodies home videos or a live play, which effectively means 120Hz looks WORSE than 60.

120 Hz is great for sports.

VIZIO 37" Class 1080p 60Hz LCD HDTV, E370VL for $439 NEW at Walmart if anyone is still looking.However,woots deal was better while it lasted.

I bought one of these last night (thankfully! nice sell out) and I've been reading that you can purchase a warranty on it, but I noticed it doesn't actually come with one beyond Woot's 90 Days. Can anyone point me in the direction of where to purchase a good warranty? Thanks in advance.

tomochi wrote:I bought one of these last night (thankfully! nice sell out) and I've been reading that you can purchase a warranty on it, but I noticed it doesn't actually come with one beyond Woot's 90 Days. Can anyone point me in the direction of where to purchase a good warranty? Thanks in advance.

Most people buy from Squaretrade.com, there is a link to it directly from the Woot! product page about halfway down. 1 year warranty is $47.99, but you can use code THIRTY30 to get 30% off. An additional year is $24, minus the 30% if you use the code.

We have about 5 warranties through them but have not so far had to file a claim. The majority of the reviews I've read indicate great customer service.

rmhartman wrote:Ok ... and what does being the lowest common denominator of those two numbers buy us in practical terms? This is not a quiz show.

What it buys you is the possibility that the TV can handle the full range of content available. This stuff is esoteric and full of detail; let's see if oversimplifying all this works well enough.

In past years, video was often shot at 30 frames per second, and film was shot at 24 frame per second. (These distinctions are disappearing as movie and tv production evolves.)

Traditional analog TV broadcast drew 30 full frames per second. Usually, what arrives over broadcast or cable channels has already been converted to 30 (and or 60 for HD), but if you play disks, like some movie releases, it common to find content that plays in its original 24 fps rate. Either the disk player or (more likely) the TV has to convert it.

Some TV's (usually higher end ones) have an easy time presenting 24 frame content, others don't. TV's that struggle will show a really "jumpy" picture.

If you've seen the start of I Am Legend on disk, that's in 24 fps, and the starting shot where a lone car drives through Manhattan (shot from above) either comes out as a smooth image if the TV can handle it, and if the TV can't, the car seems to "jump forward" in a series of staggery movementx.

You'd know the problem if you saw it.

120 does divide neatly into both 30 and 24, of course. But that doesn't mean every TV with 120 rate refresh can handle 24; many can't. Some older 60 frame TVs handle 24 fps content just fine.

It often comes down to whether the video processing chip is powerful enough to handle these different formats and convert when necessary to the format the TV uses internally.

If you care about how movies look, and you want to be sure the TV will handle 24 fps content properly, read reviews carefully.

pfr wrote:Is it a deal killer for gaming only? Or if I was gonna use this for Hulu, Excel, Web Browsing and Email?

I bought the same model at Costco, about a year ago. The refresh rate is fine, haven't had any problems with the tv, the picture quality, etc. I use mine as tv and pc monitor. Switches back and forth quickly and easily. I use it to watch Netflix and Hulu a great deal, as I don't have cable. If I had to pick something to complain about, it would be that the USB port is apparently only for repair/tech purposes; you can't use it to play media. However, it's possible that has changed with a firmware update; I haven't checked. Bottom line: Great tv, great monitor, at a great price!

TJMaximus wrote:You think you know old Zenith remotes? Let's see, will a Google Image Search turn up... Why yes it will, how could I ever doubt?


Now THAT's an old Zenith remote control. My grandparents had this 25-30 years ago. It used audible clicks, rather than light/radio signals, to control the TV. If you jangled a set of keys, it would lower the volume (until it wrapped around the bottom, and started blaring).

This "cool story bro" post brought to you by an early sell-out.

25-30 years ago? My roommate in college brought his Zenith TV to the dorm in 1998 with this remote! Oh wait, that was 13 years ago now...

Yeah, we definitely had the channels or volume change randomly when high frequency sounds were made in the same room. Kinda neat tech though.

I hate when us wootacholics reward the woot powers with a sell out for somewhat crappy deals.

NightGhost wrote:consumerreports.org

"Had a hum from the day it was purchased. Attempted Vizio troubleshooting steps but hum remained. Called support and had tech come out. He replaced the AV board and hum no longer exists."

Googling "Vizio E370VL hum" does reveal a few complaints.


And:

Vizio support page

"The back-lit Vizio logo stays on even when the TV is off. (Come on, Vizio!)"

"If I had ONE complaint it would be that the VIZIO logo/power-on indicator is placed right under the screen... and is rather large and bright, which distracts my eye while watching the set. So much so i had to place a piece of black electricians tape across it to block the light. Grrr!"

See the setup option to turn it off.

NightGhost wrote:It's not a good idea to ignore your check engine light. There are a number of things that can cause it to go on. Admittedly, some are trivial, such as a loose gas cap, but others, such as faulty wiring, could end up costing you a lot of $$ if you don't tend to them.

yea but the vizio emblem? The TV is either on or off. Get some sense of humor, fast.

NightGhost wrote:It's not a good idea to ignore your check engine light. There are a number of things that can cause it to go on. Admittedly, some are trivial, such as a loose gas cap, but others, such as faulty wiring, could end up costing you a lot of $$ if you don't tend to them.

You are definitely right, but there is another reason to black out the check engine light.

Alot of car enthusiasts who modify "modern" vehicles have to work around a lot of the technology in today's vehicles.
This results in alot of people ignoring the annoying yellow light when the computer senses the smallest value out of manufacturer specs. The ECU can become an enemy of a tuner very quickly haha.

I have to stare at it in my daily driver (along with an airbag light). My 1988 Supra though is modified in just about every way while still running on a modified Toyota ECU, and it will happily run fast all day and only flash when something is actually wrong. Imagine that!
They don't make em like they used to

CaptainTr1pps wrote:
60hz is pretty much the standard for computer monitors (occasionally 75) so this would be perfect for that. I'm not even sure when 120 is supposed to look better (besides 3d), the only time I've ever noticed a difference is when you get the "soap opera effect" and it looks like your watching somebodies home videos or a live play, which effectively means 120Hz looks WORSE than 60.

So the problem here isn't the 120 Hz, it's the digital image processing the TV puts on to try and make the motion smoother. It's great for some things, like sports where you WANT the action to be smooth and life-like, but it's absolute garbage for movies where it takes away the film look and makes it look like a made-for-TV movie or soap opera. This effect is VERY obvious to me at least, other people might notice it less. The reason is that it tries to remove motion blur, so motion in movies appear unnatural. Still, the higher refresh rate is great for sports and video games.

Luckily most TVs allow you to turn the "feature" off and let movies look like their directors intended them to.

I'm sure glad it sold out. I procrastinated all day because I really wanted a bigger screen, but decided this was too good of a deal to pass up. But when I went to order, it was too late. Now I can hold out for the size I really want. Size matters.

Swing and a miss.... wishing there were more.

TJMaximus wrote:You think you know old Zenith remotes? Let's see, will a Google Image Search turn up... Why yes it will, how could I ever doubt?


Now THAT's an old Zenith remote control. My grandparents had this 25-30 years ago. It used audible clicks, rather than light/radio signals, to control the TV. If you jangled a set of keys, it would lower the volume (until it wrapped around the bottom, and started blaring).

This "cool story bro" post brought to you by an early sell-out.

PAH! That remote was for chumps. People who wanted the ultimate in control went with the Flash-Matic control system. Who cared if Sunlight activated it?!



Don't make me bust out my Video RECORD player!

Oh and to add to this whole 120-240 Hz battle going on here. The Soap Opera effect can be turned off on all sets that have it. It's called Smooth Motion or "True Theater" among other buzz codenames. You can also enable it on your PC player (through software), if you really wanted to regardless of your monitor.

And 120Hz, 240Hz is all blah blah blah if you're watching broadcast TV. Most sources in America (I.E Cheap heartless Cable companies) don't broadcast properly to benefit you. Even for sports. 120Hz can help with some motion blur that some sets might have but just because a set is 60 Hz doesn't mean it's going to have perceptible blur. Most people can't see it and for those that can, sucks to be you because your fancy eyes now require more "expensive" technology. AHAHHAAH!

And 240Hz is not better than 120. That's just so it can do 3D in 120Hz.

And if you're into more marketing buzz words, look for 1080p/24p "Real Cinema". If the set OUTPUTS this source, and not just takes it in, AND you have discerning eyeballs and neural network hooked up to them, you will probably enjoy it more. For most of us common "folk" it makes little difference since most sources aren't true 24p to begin with and most don't notice the "judder" that 24p is supposed to eliminate at home.

Lobstah wrote:As has been mentioned, 60hz is a deal killer.
I bought the Vizio 37" 120hz from BJs for 520 before the holidays. This seems like a lot of money for a 60hz refurb unit.

Lob

Congrats on paying all that extra money for a near-meaningless "feature." If everyone here is so worried about it, just get a plasma (600hz of amazing, right?).

I can't believe that people make such a huge deal of this. It's a TV, and it'll work just fine with or without your ridiculous Hz.

metairony wrote:Hmmm. Not to undermine your credibility, but 120 is the least common MULTIPLE of 24 and 30. (If the numbers were fractions, and 24 and 30 were the respective denominators in the fractions, then you would be correct in saying that the least common denominator of the 2 fractions was 120. But they aren't, so you aren't.)

60hz will not work for 3d games. Other than that, most people won't find many problems. I buy Vizio everything now, never had a problem, great color, brightness, contrast.

Since this isn't a 3d television, this doesn't seem so important.

jerrryy wrote:
After market product, same as I use on my check engine light, black electrical tape.LOL

NightGhost wrote:
It's not a good idea to ignore your check engine light. There are a number of things that can cause it to go on. Admittedly, some are trivial, such as a loose gas cap, but others, such as faulty wiring, could end up costing you a lot of $$ if you don't tend to them.

TJMaximus wrote:One might need to fool the Jiffy Smog clerk, though... Wait, it's still going to throw a code though, isn't it? Ignoring a CEL isn't the smartest thing, but it's better than just topping off the coolant as necessary, knowing the radiator needs to be replaced, on an E39 5 Series at that... Not that I'm doing that at the moment or anything. Um, yeah, anyway... :/

Begone, trolls. I'm not falling for this. I happen to know that ENGINE LIGHTS DON'T EXIST.

That looks like the hood of my truck.

TJMaximus wrote:You think you know old Zenith remotes? Let's see, will a Google Image Search turn up... Why yes it will, how could I ever doubt?


Now THAT's an old Zenith remote control. My grandparents had this 25-30 years ago. It used audible clicks, rather than light/radio signals, to control the TV. If you jangled a set of keys, it would lower the volume (until it wrapped around the bottom, and started blaring).

This "cool story bro" post brought to you by an early sell-out.

I remember the first remotes had tether cords on them!...

This is a great buy. My buddy bought a 52" screen vizio from Walmart during black friday 2010 for $500. I totally missed out on that one. So I might just hold out for now until everything goes on sale again.

How the heck long does it take these people to ship anything? If they dont get on the stick, I'll soon be ready for the fall line up. Definitely NOT an incentive to purchase from here again.

customizedsolutions wrote:25-30 years ago? My roommate in college brought his Zenith TV to the dorm in 1998 with this remote! Oh wait, that was 13 years ago now...

Yeah, we definitely had the channels or volume change randomly when high frequency sounds were made in the same room. Kinda neat tech though.

When I was a kid (40 years ago) we had an RCA TV that used an ultrasonic remote like this until it was lost. Believe it or not, we actually did shake a thick chain to change the channel from that point on. Not just any chain would do, it had to be the right thickness & you had to give it a quick flip of the wrist! Old memories - gotta love them!

goldenthorn wrote:You only just bought this item on Sunday. Today is the third business day since purchase. It typically takes up to five business days to ship items out. Patience, please.

I'm looking forward to March madness on this set! Too bad it doesn't have a digital audio in, besides the HDMI. But analog works just fine.

Some people complain about audio hum with this TV. Mine isn't delivered yet so I can't speak to that.

I've had audio hum issues when hooking a PC up to audio components by stereo analog. I got a "ground loop isolator" from Radio Shack, does the trick.

Patiently waiting......
Thats the sacrifice you make for a good deal!

anyone get theirs yet?

buzzfledderjohn wrote:anyone get theirs yet?

i was just wondering about that myself...or for that matter...anyone have their status changed to "shipped" yet?

No change in status yet....no tracking number yet...but this is just the 5th business day today...a lot of businesses do not post tracking numbers until the close of the business day or the following day.