For those that wrote in about the description change, was your order canceled just now? Did anyone receive word about something worked out with Philips?

brucedoesbms wrote:ABOUT $0.22/unit:



YOU do the math...

Um, yeah, I did the math. Over the 5 year life of this shaver the cost of blades AND shaving cream comes to $114 per year OR $570 over a five year term. So you keep on shaving with crappy disposable razers and keep on thinking you're saving money. Maybe next time YOU should do the math rather than relying on someone else to do it. Just sayin.

Woot, you're killing me. I was going to buy one if it had the cleaning system. Not going to now if it doesn't.

BigD wrote:This shaver does not include the Jet Clean system and the sale was changed to reflect that at 9am. If you purchased it when the page showed differently, just hang tight for a bit as we are working on a solution with Philips.

If you are looking at buying the razor right now - be aware that the current sales page is accurate and this sale does not include the Jet Clean system.

but what if I bought it already?

Can I get the jet clean system later? If not, can I cancel my order?

I use Phillips for all of my hygiene items (shaver, trimmer, toothbrush). Phillips also makes a great Norelco Stubble Trimmer http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Norelco-Stubble-Moustach-Trimmer/dp/B003U8ESI4 - which is amazing if you like a .5mm stubble.

The lithium batteries on all of their items last for a week for my uses, and hold a charge for at least a month.

This is an excellent razor, best I've ever owned.

I have a very tough, fast-growing beard. This gets >99% of it, more than any previous razor, and is easier to manage around the curves of my chin and neck than linear razors.

The last 1% I still have to get with a blade, so I get at least 2-3 weeks out of each of my disposable blades :-). With other electrics I've had more cleanup required.

jgmcgowan wrote:I use Phillips for all of my hygiene items (shaver, trimmer, toothbrush). Phillips also makes a great Norelco Stubble Trimmer http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Norelco-Stubble-Moustach-Trimmer/dp/B003U8ESI4 - which is amazing if you like a .5mm stubble.

The lithium batteries on all of their items last for a week for my uses, and hold a charge for at least a month.

If it pleases the court, can we hear from someone other than the Marketing Manager at Phillips?

jay198133 wrote:but what if I bought it already?

Can I get the jet clean system later? If not, can I cancel my order?

If you purchased it when the page showed differently, just hang tight for a bit as we are working on a solution with Philips.

You will have the option to cancel your order if we cannot get the Jet Clean system or arrange another suitable solution. We're still working with Philips and will notify everyone that bought this earlier as soon as we have an answer for you.

yodecat wrote:Want a close shave? A really close shave?

Get yo ass a straight razor, a hone and a strop.

And quit whining.

Word. There's your $150 up front. The straight razor I'm using now is at least 9 years old...

Scansion of poem has MUCH to be desired. Particularly when you're taking off on a Sondheim lyric, you have to follow the rules better than that.

yes, please let us know because i purchased this today thinking that it came with the cleaning system. i hope you can work something out because i will cancel the order if it does not come with.

octaveman wrote:Um, yeah, I did the math. Over the 5 year life of this shaver the cost of blades AND shaving cream comes to $114 per year OR $570 over a five year term. So you keep on shaving with crappy disposable razers and keep on thinking you're saving money. Maybe next time YOU should do the math rather than relying on someone else to do it. Just sayin.

Depends on how your math works out. If you are using one disposable per day, the math works out as you have it. If you use just one a week, the numbers start to dip in the other direction rather quickly...and if you hate shaving as I do, and only really shave 3-4 times a month, the math quickly begins to make Philips look bad....(as well as my beard)

I used Norelco for 20+ years. With a heavy beard I initially had to replace it every 2 years or so. As the price sharply increased I began to notice that the quality was dropping and replacements were needed every year. With the improvements in blade cartridges I have been delighted to be Norelco free, better shave + less irritation + lower costs. Ironically I use the Philips Body Groom for everything everywhere below my neck.

roadhunter wrote:There isn't an electric razor in existence that shaves as close as a blade. And, if I ever see you shaving while driving, I'll follow you and slash your tires when you park.

I agree. Last time I saw someone shaving while driving, as I passed him, it shocked me so much, I dropped my Wall Street Journal.

Well dang .. now I wish I had bought this earlier in the day if they are able to work something out with Phillips. Been a sweet deal with the cleaning kit.

roadhunter wrote:Unless you are a multi-millionaire, you have better things to spend your money on than this. Get a Gilette Mach 3 and a 5 pack of blades for under $30, and you'll be good for months. You'll get a closer shave, and you won't be using electricity.
Anyone buying this needs to re-examine their priorities.

I am confused on your priorities actually. You talk about conservation, basically saving a few dimes worth of electricity, but then you go for the disposal blades (which go in land fill), and like most blade shavers, probably leave the hot water running while your shaving. I would skip the "saving electricity" part of the speech if I were you. And as someone has pointed out, blades and shaving cream cost more over the life of this razor. Nice try.

TTM77 wrote:I bet my Panasonic can do a much better job. And yes the throat is the hardest area and seem like the razor is best at getting those.

Yep, my Panasonic ES8103S, which I bought for $16.95 (unused store display unit; retails for $149) would probably shave better than this rotary shaver for the simple fact that smaller heads can fit better in certain areas of the face. And yes, my Panasonic does shave as close as a blade on most of my face.

n5exy wrote:????? Isn't this priced a bit high? WallyMart has it cheaper.

Where do you see that? I just browsed through their listings, and only found different models. And the closest models I found were more expensive than the Woot price.

lmaconi wrote:Anyone use these for shaving your scalp? Wondering how it holds up to the thicker hair up there?

I use the 1250x (same razor, different electronics), works great. Not as close as a razor, but close enough compared to the risk of razor burns and nicks... wet shave with a foam works best for me.

Woot's writeup is WIN.
I was almost in for one after having so much fun singing along... alas, my arm will not be complete. I'm too broke and have no need for $150 shavers.

($150?! For a razor?! Sheesh, everything is so expensive on Broadway.)

kuochan wrote:Can you use this in the shower?
I only shave in the shower. (yes, with the water running and all, this thing would be soaked pretty much all day)
Thanks

In case no one answered, YES, you can use it in the shower. If you watch the Wet/Dry video attached to the description, the guy says you can use it in the shower.

I have an older version of this razor and use it all the time in the shower. And forget the cleaning system, it is not needed. Just rinse and brush it out.

but as has been pointed out, this is not for everyone. I get a great shave with it but I have friends who cannot stand using an electric. Works for some, not for others.

cleverlyc wrote:...and if you hate shaving as I do, and only really shave 3-4 times a month, the math quickly begins to make Philips look bad....(as well as my beard)

Keep going. If you stop shaving all together, think how much money you save and how expensive this becomes.

I have an older, cheap, norelco disc-type shaver that I've owned for six years now and never have replaced the blades. It still works fine. HOWEVER: my facial hair is thin and sparse, and I only shave about twice a week.
I'm betting anyone with a "normal" beard can squeeze at least a couple years out of the blades without a lot of discomfort.

Not that it has anything to do with this razor (I've been using the same Mach 3 since the 8th grade, thankyouverymuch), but a quick note on Philips for anyone who's interested in that thing...what the hell was it called...ah, yes, the American economy:

http://act.americanrightsatwork.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=1728&track=20110317_adv_philips

Not that this should necessarily affect whether or not you purchase, but what the hey--maybe consider signing the letter...

lmaconi wrote:Anyone use these for shaving your scalp? Wondering how it holds up to the thicker hair up there?

It won't, unless you mean just for maintenance on a 2-3x a week basis. These type of razors (disk based) are notoriously bad for not getting substantial levels of hair off. If used on a daily basis for your face, fine. But a few days growth? No way.

bassyb wrote:can I use this on my kitty?

Just be careful with the after-shave, it stings.

brucedoesbms wrote:ABOUT $0.22/unit:



YOU do the math...

Yeah, I've done the math and my Panasonic ES8103 beats these cheap disposable razors in value, even if I paid the retail price of $149. AS it turned out, I paid only $16.95 for a store display unit that was never even plugged in so the comparison isn't even close.

1) I bought some single blade Bics at a price of 20 for $1.99. AWFUL. I shaved with them for a month and NOT ONCE did I escape without a nick or cut. In fact, I went to work one day with 7 cuts, one of which bled throughout my subway ride, inviting more than a few stares.

Because of my coarse beard, shaving took 20-30 mins, with some areas taking up to 5+ passes. The area under the nose was impossible to shave cleanly. We missed more than a few shows and appointments because it took me so long to shave -- and wait for the blood to clot (and yes, I have a styptic pencil).

Each razor lasted 3 shaves max before it started to pull painfully on the whiskers.

2) I tried several multiblades, i.e. Mach 3, Quattro, etc. Shaving was much faster and smooother, taking as little as 10-15 min, although the area under the nose was still a problem. The blades lasted about 7-10 shaves. The worst part was cleaning the damn razors which clogged up frequently because of my thick whiskers. I found myself using a toothpick or toothbrush to get the whiskers out several times per shave. Rinsing with water alone -- even a high pressure stream -- wasn't good enough. The more blades, the harder to clean. And I still got nicks and cuts. At $3 per razor, I'd spend about $90/yr on the razors alone. Shaving cream/gel and hot water are additional costs. As are bandages.

3) Shaving with the Panasonic takes about 3-5 mins. And I don't have to be in the bathroom while doing it. I've shaved while eating at the breakfast table as well as in the office. There's no messy lather to wipe off (although I can use cream/gel as an option)). And I have yet to bleed. Maintenance is a quick rinse under the water, which doesn't need to be done immediately (unless you use shaving cream). Then once every two weeks or so, an icon tells me to use the Turbo cleaning mode which vibrates the head at 17,000 rpm. Simply rub liquid soap on the foil, and turn on Turbo mode. After it turns off automatically in about 20 secs, rinse under water. That's it. The foil and heads need to be replaced after 1-2 years. Electrical usage is minimal, and probably less than the cost of hot water and shaving cream needed to shave with a blade.

And yes, the Panasonic shaves as close as a blade, and even closer under my nose.

So you do the math ... which is more cost effective? Which costs more in dollars as well as time and labor over the lifetime of my Panasonic? My last Panasonic linear shaver lasted about 5 years. The shaver wins hands down, even at the retail price of $149 (Amazon has it for about $80).

octaveman wrote:Um, yeah, I did the math. Over the 5 year life of this shaver the cost of blades AND shaving cream comes to $114 per year OR $570 over a five year term. So you keep on shaving with crappy disposable razers and keep on thinking you're saving money. Maybe next time YOU should do the math rather than relying on someone else to do it. Just sayin.

Hey I'm really sorry your voice went up an octave as a result of my post, but your math is highly theoretical... Personally, I spend approximately $35/yr on shaving products... that comes to about $175 for your Five Year Plan... (I'm not charging you for the time it takes me to shave, either!)...

octaveman wrote:Um, yeah, I did the math. Over the 5 year life of this shaver the cost of blades AND shaving cream comes to $114 per year OR $570 over a five year term. So you keep on shaving with crappy disposable razers and keep on thinking you're saving money. Maybe next time YOU should do the math rather than relying on someone else to do it. Just sayin.

I buy six shavers for $1 and each lasts about a month, maybe a bit less. The excellent shave gel from the same Dollar Tree store is also (duh) a dollar. So it costs me under $1.50 a month to shave. What are you buying???

radi0j0hn wrote:I buy six shavers for $1 and each lasts about a month, maybe a bit less. The excellent shave gel from the same Dollar Tree store is also (duh) a dollar. So it costs me under $1.50 a month to shave. What are you buying???

Now THERE is a quality, close, conformable shave with a 15 cent razor. Or maybe you are 13 and only have fuzz to remove? Seriously, you keep a cheap, disposable razor for a month? Even the most expensive blades do not last a month if you actually use them every day. You must have little or very light hair, or do not care about abrasive shaves and nicks. A 15 cent razor for a month. LOL!

DannyBklyn wrote:Not that it has anything to do with this razor (I've been using the same Mach 3 since the 8th grade, thankyouverymuch), but a quick note on Philips for anyone who's interested in that thing...what the hell was it called...ah, yes, the American economy:

http://act.americanrightsatwork.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=1728&track=20110317_adv_philips

Not that this should necessarily affect whether or not you purchase, but what the hey--maybe consider signing the letter...

I don't have the time to access that link right now, but I have my own beef with Philips. Several years ago, they filed a patent for a device that disabled remote controls from fast forwarding through commercials. That's right, VCRs and DVD recorders (nor Tivos?) would no longer be able to skip through ads. When news got out, consumers were p*ssed and they got threats of boycotts, etc.

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/04/6625.ars

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9011-invention-the-tvadvert-enforcer.html

lmaconi wrote:Anyone use these for shaving your scalp? Wondering how it holds up to the thicker hair up there?

I have used this razor for about 6 months on my scalp and it works pretty darned well. I bought a top of the line Braun and had nothing but issues. Just be aware that replacement heads are $60-80 bucks - needs replacing every year or so, and the fluid lasts about 1 month per bottle. If you use if for your noggin you may just see these rates increase - as I have.

sdc100 wrote:I don't have the time to access that link right now, but I have my own beef with Philips. Several years ago, they filed a patent for a device that disabled remote controls from fast forwarding through commercials. That's right, VCRs and DVD recorders (nor Tivos?) would no longer be able to skip through ads. When news got out, consumers were p*ssed and they got threats of boycotts, etc.

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/04/6625.ars

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9011-invention-the-tvadvert-enforcer.html

It is just a patent in case anyone does do this, these guys patent 100's of things a month because they can. No consumer electronics company in their right mind would build this into their devices unless forced by the studios (think HDCP on HDMI, which they would all love to loose). And then they would not sell very much equipment if they did this. Sure make my older DVRs worth more though. And since it is software, how long do you think it would take to hack?

But there are SOOO many workarounds to this it does not matter. Can you say two tuners?

A Jatravartid patent, and nothing more JUST in case someone suggests it for real. They make money.

rgfitz wrote:I have used Norelco razors for about 50 years. Basically they are three cutting heads and a motor and the cutting heads are essentially all the same. I get the $30 models with cords and replace the cutting heads after 3 or 4 years although I frequently find a new razor for about the same price as the replacement cutting heads. When the motor quits I get a new razor.

Hmm, sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about there. The cutting heads are most definitely NOT all the same, nor are the mechanisms they sit in. The newer cutting head models do a much better job of shaving, and the newer shavers do a much better job of staying in close contact with all the contours of your face than the older fixed head Norelco's. There's significant differences, don't believe this poster!

This is one of those head up a butcher's ass kind of woot deals.

radi0j0hn wrote:I buy six shavers for $1 and each lasts about a month, maybe a bit less. The excellent shave gel from the same Dollar Tree store is also (duh) a dollar. So it costs me under $1.50 a month to shave. What are you buying???

I tried the Dollar Tree razors (double-blade and triple-blade) at a friends's place and they were pretty bad. Not as bad as my Bics (10 for $1.99 + 10 Free), but still pretty bad. Lasted about 3-4 shaves each before they started tugging painfully at the whiskers. The only good thing about the double-blade was that neat little self-cleaning button. Otherwise the shaves were sub-par in terms of comfort and closeness. And all the other issues I mentioned in an earlier post apply.

chris112 wrote:I also purchased after doing some research and last saw the unit with the Jet system. I would like a refund as the listing still says now 1280x which implies and comes with the Jet system as far as I can see. The picture and title changed, but the "In the box" says 1280X.

So woot is it the 1280x just without the cleaning unit or is it another model?

orubin wrote:It is just a patent in case anyone does do this, these guys patent 100's of things a month because they can. No consumer electronics company in their right mind would build this into their devices unless forced by the studios (think HDCP on HDMI, which they would all love to loose). And then they would not sell very much equipment if they did this. Sure make my older DVRs worth more though. And since it is software, how long do you think it would take to hack?

But there are SOOO many workarounds to this it does not matter. Can you say two tuners?

A Jatravartid patent, and nothing more JUST in case someone suggests it for real. They make money.

My problem is that they would even CONSIDER doing something like that. It's all about the philosophy of the company. I'm all for hacking (all my recorders have been hacked to be Region 0 and CopyGuard disabled), but would regular consumers know how to do it? Of course not.

And don't be so sure that manufacturers wouldn't readily adopt the technology. Even before HDCP, there was Region Coding on DVDs, which got very little protest from DVD player manufacturers. Also keep in mind that Philips is a co-inventor of the DVD+R format (and founding member of both the DVD+RW Alliance and DVD Forum) so it can advocate denying licensing to DVD recorder manufacturers that won't adopt the technology.

Again, the fact that the company would even consider such an intrusive technology is what irks me.

It just so happens that my shaver died yesterday, so this might be useful. I'm still a bit hesitant for the price. My recently deceased shaver wasn't anything fancy, so I'm not sure if moving up to something higher-end is worth the extra cost. Any thoughts?

As an aside, I was doing research on shavers, and I must ask why every single article I read had at least one horrible pun about shaving or hair. WHY?