I've noticed that some HDTVs have a long, multi-second delay when changing chanels. Is there a way you can tell from the specs if a TV has this delay problem?

A question for those who have purchased a Silo TV ... Does your Silo TV have this delay problem?

carsongell wrote:This is a very important number actually, so simply dismissing it is silly. Contrast ratio is the range of difference in luminous intensity between white (brightest) and black (darkest) which it is capable of producing. So, yes, this is very important to consider.

While dismissing the concept of contrast ratios isn't silly, there doesn't appear to be much consistency in the way that different manufacturers measure them. The specs on this should probably be taken with as many grains of salt as you can find.

Just another thing to think about, if you do purchase a TV from walmart or another store, then you will also be paying sales tax. I'm not advocating for this tv as I'm also a little skeptical for off name brand products, but the price is right on this one

Munson wrote:I've noticed that some HDTVs have a long, multi-second delay when changing chanels. Is there a way you can tell from the specs if a TV has this delay problem?

A question for those who have purchased a Silo TV ... Does your Silo TV have this delay problem?

I haven't experienced this issue, but I don't use the internal tuner or other live TV. There's usually a second or so handshake when switching between HDMI sources, but not between analog sources.

mollusc wrote:While dismissing the concept of contrast ratios isn't silly, there doesn't appear to be much consistency in the way that different manufacturers measure them. The specs on this should probably be taken with as many grains of salt as you can find.

While that is true, they are only claiming a 5000:1 ratio. So, taken as an approximate ratio compared to what is out there (even if the other stuff is a more exaggerated number), it gives you a good idea of the actual range. So if they are saying that white is 5000x brighter than black, it's not going to compare to something with several times that ratio, no matter how each one was measured.

carsongell wrote:No offense, but this is way off.

Care to explain where it is wrong, or link a better article? Saying it is way off without explaining to others why it is way off does them no good.

I just read it again, while it doesn't go into great detail (most users here don't want that) it does a 'decent job' at explaining the basics.

There are a few other posts in this thread on the subject, and Bdf did a great job of expanding on it

carsongell wrote:While that is true, they are only claiming a 5000:1 ratio. So, taken as an approximate ratio compared to what is out there (even if the other stuff is a more exaggerated number), it gives you a good idea of the actual range. So if they are saying that white is 5000x brighter than black, it's not going to compare to something with several times that ratio, no matter how each one was measured.

But thats really not the case. Home Theater mag and others have reviewed products rated 5000:1 that are outperformed by sets rated at 3000:1, for example. The published numbers by manufactures are basically useless.

This is almost identical to the Sceptre 42" 1080p X420BV-FHD
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889112044)
(http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD_HDTV/Specs/X420BV-FHD/X420BV-FHD%20MainPage.htm).
Probably from the same Chinese factory: Build it and slap a brand name on it. I paid $400 shipped from Newegg in January 2011. Amazing deal and I'm very happy with it. I use the HDMI and VGA inputs.

carsongell wrote:This is a very important number actually, so simply dismissing it is silly. Contrast ratio is the range of difference in luminous intensity between white (brightest) and black (darkest) which it is capable of producing. So, yes, this is very important to consider.

The point most of us are trying to make is that each manufacturer gets that number a different way. Unless someone first does some sort of ISF type calibration to the displays, then measures using standardized charts, this number is meaningless. Home Theater Magazine, The Perfect Vision, and others are great at getting 'real' ANSI contrast numbers, but the manufacture published numbers are almost always WAY off of those and can pretty much be discarded.

9baller517 wrote:American cars are being built better than ever and I, personally, am proud of driving one and proud I can buy American!

So...would that be a Honda Civic or Accord?

theguruguys wrote:Here is a decent article explaining 60hz vs 120hz.

Except that the article is totally wrong.

Refresh rate has NOTHING to do with the "Soap Opera Effect." SOA is created when the TV interpolates additional frames from the source material. TVs with refresh rates of 120Hz or 240Hz typically have this "feature" set as default, but it can (and usually should) be turned off.

mykidstaxi wrote:sure wish it was a lot more than 5000-1 contrast...maybe good enough for gaming??

Contrast numbers are an advertised figure and not a true measurement
of picture quality.

abillmann wrote:Except that the article is totally wrong.

Refresh rate has NOTHING to do with the "Soap Opera Effect." SOA is created when the TV interpolates additional frames from the source material. TVs with refresh rates of 120Hz or 240Hz typically have this "feature" set as default, but it can (and usually should) be turned off.

Obviously refresh rate has SOMETHING to do with Soap Opera Effect -- you can't do the SOE-causing interpolation on a 60Hz unit.
You're right that refresh rate doesn't DIRECTLY cause SOE, though.

ksapp82 wrote:Silo Digital Corp. is located at 9033 Owensmouth Ave., Canoga Park, CA 91304
USA

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_manufactures_Silo_LCD_TVs#ixzz1P85YUivU

Canoga Park! Must be hidden between the all the adult video production studios.

wynnde wrote:Okay, so I read the 60 vs 120 HZ article, but it does not answer my question - which is better for watching sports? (Football, specifically, assuming those dumbasses get it together and we have a season this year...)

The older LCD TV's had some issues with motion blur and the 120Hz TV's help resolve this issue (faster refresh rate). Some people dont notice it, while others (such as myself) see it easily. 120Hz technology is great depending on how it is implemented. My TV (a Samsung) has a tendency to stagger at times with the 120Hz mode turned on (agaun, I see it whereas my wife does not) with fast motion so it actually bugs me more than the motion blur. In general, I would go with the higher refresh rate for sports because you can turn off the faster refresh rate if you dont like the look of it.

Munson wrote:I've noticed that some HDTVs have a long, multi-second delay when changing chanels. Is there a way you can tell from the specs if a TV has this delay problem?

A question for those who have purchased a Silo TV ... Does your Silo TV have this delay problem?

I used to have this problem with my 60" Sony LED connected to a DirectTv box. I switched last month to AT&T U-verse and that took care of the delay as well as rain fade.

mkentosh wrote:It's not a refurb! I'm in!

Walmart had an Emerson 40 in 1080 60, for $348.00 this past weekend. Not sure this a good deal.

carsongell wrote:This is a very important number actually, so simply dismissing it is silly. Contrast ratio is the range of difference in luminous intensity between white (brightest) and black (darkest) which it is capable of producing. So, yes, this is very important to consider.

I know what contrast is and what those numbers are *supposed* to mean, but they don't mean anything in the way that they're expressed. Like I said, I have a 600:1 IPS panel that looks immeasurably better in almost every way than a 50,000:1 TN panel. The TN loses darks, clips brights, and generally looks terrible (not to even get into color inaccuracies etc.) while the IPS is great for critical photo work. Yes, the panels need to have good contrast, but how do you know what the numbers represent in terms of good/bad? Not much. There isn't a standard way to measure it. The best way would be to get your own calibration device, take a few measurements across several different brands so, while your number may be different from theirs, at least it would mean something to you.

What's up with the mount (VESA) spacing?

"Wall Mountable with 15.25” x 15.25” (387 mm x 387 mm) VESA Pattern (wall mount not included)"

Couldn't get to 300 X 300 or 400 X 400?

Blows it for me, though I wasn't too hip on the deal to start with.

$480
Dynex 46" 1080p Widescreen LCD HDTV for $480 + free shipping
Best Buy offers the Dynex 46" 1080p Widescreen LCD HD Television, model no. DX-46L260A12, for $479.99 with free shipping. That's $90 under our April mention of a similar Dynex TV and among the best prices we've seen for a TV of this size. Sales tax is added where applicable. Features include 1920x1080 (1080p) native resolution, 430 cd/m² brightness, two HDMI inputs, and VGA, component, and other video inputs.

mollusc wrote:Obviously refresh rate has SOMETHING to do with Soap Opera Effect -- you can't do the SOE-causing interpolation on a 60Hz unit.
You're right that refresh rate doesn't DIRECTLY cause SOE, though.

It's sort of like this:

TV Manufacturers: "Hey, with 120 or 240 frames per second, you know, we could interpolate motion if we wanted to. We didn't have much room to do that with 60Hz, but with faster refreshes, think of all those duplicated frames going to waste! We could totally fix that!"

Common Sense: "Yeah, you could. But don't. Just don't. I don't want to watch computer-interpolated content."

TV Manufacturers: "Even if the result would make film look like video? That's awesome, man!"

Common Sense: "Um, no."

Can someone explain the VESA mounting situation on this TV? I am THIS CLOSE to getting one, except I can't tell if it's wall-mountable. The described mount pattern is square; the mount holes in the rear view of the TV are pretty clearly in a rectangular shape.

Can anyone who actually owns one of these things shed some light on this?

abillmann wrote:It's sort of like this:

TV Manufacturers: "Hey, with 120 or 240 frames per second, you know, we could interpolate motion if we wanted to. We didn't have much room to do that with 60Hz, but with faster refreshes, think of all those duplicated frames going to waste! We could totally fix that!"

Common Sense: "Yeah, you could. But don't. Just don't. I don't want to watch computer-interpolated content."

TV Manufacturers: "Even if the result would make film look like video? That's awesome, man!"

Common Sense: "Um, no."

I think I see my point flying around over the top of your head. You said refresh rate had NOTHING to do with SOE. NOTHING means NOTHING.
Since you can't really DO the interpolation that causes SOE without the higher refresh rates, refresh rates cannot have NOTHING to do with SOE. Having a higher refresh rate is a REQUIREMENT of causing the effect.

abillmann wrote:It's sort of like this:

TV Manufacturers: "Hey, with 120 or 240 frames per second, you know, we could interpolate motion if we wanted to. We didn't have much room to do that with 60Hz, but with faster refreshes, think of all those duplicated frames going to waste! We could totally fix that!"

Common Sense: "Yeah, you could. But don't. Just don't. I don't want to watch computer-interpolated content."

TV Manufacturers: "Even if the result would make film look like video? That's awesome, man!"

Common Sense: "Um, no."

As for the 120hz, it CANNOT be turned off. And, since it's the refresh rate, it will refresh the picture twice in the same amount of time as a 60hz TV. That's why all things equal, a TV with 120hz will ALWAYS look better to most people than if the same TV had a 60hz, even when the 120hz has the motion processing off.

They all have motion processing which can be turned on, turned off, and/or adjusted somewhere in between. Sony calls theirs Motionflow, Samsung calls their AMP (Automated Motion Processing), and I'm not sure what LG calls theirs, but they all pretty much work the same. Some a bit better than others.

avs.com is a great source of information about audio/visual matters.

I bought it first time around. Well worth it. No issues. Who are they?-I dont know. But they made a nice TV for 400 bucks, thats for sure

Hey WOOT staff, can we trade you back the pice of crap Westinghouse 42" we bought from you a bout a month ago for one of these? Even Steven? The Westinghouse keeps turning off and then back on and then off and back on, but the audio never goes away. Found reviews on the Westinghouse 42" and it sounds like this is a common issue that Westinghouse doen't want to fix or acknowledge. I thought maybe you'f take it back and send us one of these instead?

ziggyfield wrote:The Westinghouse keeps turning off and then back on and then off and back on, but the audio never goes away.

Sounds to me like it's a problem with the backlight circuit; that's the most common malfunction with LCD TVs. Either a part is going bad or it's shutting down due to overheating, or it's both. I could probably fix it if I had the TV. Usually you just need to swap out a few suspect components.

abillmann wrote:Except that the article is totally wrong.

Refresh rate has NOTHING to do with the "Soap Opera Effect." SOA is created when the TV interpolates additional frames from the source material. TVs with refresh rates of 120Hz or 240Hz typically have this "feature" set as default, but it can (and usually should) be turned off.

That is great clarification. It was also mentioned earlier that 'motionblur' type settings should be turned off.

djp519 wrote:I'm probably in the minority, but I keep waiting for Woot to sell a smaller tv. I want a 19"-22" set for a secondary tv... preferably something dirt cheap, like under $120. Surely you can dig up something refurbished and feature it here one of these days... right? (And annoy everyone who wants a 50" set in the process, of course!)

I got a 22" Refurb Vizio that I've had for 2 years no problem from Woot. You just don't come on the right days.

ziggyfield wrote:Hey WOOT staff, can we trade you back the pice of crap Westinghouse 42" we bought from you a bout a month ago for one of these? Even Steven? The Westinghouse keeps turning off and then back on and then off and back on, but the audio never goes away. Found reviews on the Westinghouse 42" and it sounds like this is a common issue that Westinghouse doen't want to fix or acknowledge. I thought maybe you'f take it back and send us one of these instead?

Some of the newer tv's like mine have a ECO setting in the menu. The tv has a motion sensor in the front and after so many minutes of not sensing any movement, it will shut off the tv backlighting, cutting out the video, but the audio will continue. Once it senses a movement, it will instantly turn on the backlight and the video will resume. This is done in order to qualify for Energy Star rating.

Check the instructions and see if your tv has a motion sensor. If it does, then you can set it to "off" in the menu if it bothers you.

ROGETRAY wrote:There is currently NO PICKUP services on orders at this time.

will there currently be pickup services at another time?

Silo was the question to an answer on Jeopardy today.

onclejulien wrote:will there currently be pickup services at another time?

Were there currently pickup services at an earlier time? In other words, were pickup services available previously at this time?

roadhunter wrote:Like American cars, right? Not!

Heh... yeah. Like Toyota. They keep going and going...

You will need to get a bigger power supply and upgrade the video card or it's useless. Oh wait... nevermind.

guillermo39 wrote:if you buy from walmart you support censorship of music

MADE IN THE USA

My Woot-Off sense is tingling.

ThunderThighs wrote:Sorry, but all purchasers are treated equally. You shall have it delivered for $5.

I hear you can get these way cheaper if you just go straight to the farm. I backed up to the Silo and filled my pickup with em for just $300.

Mariwhowanna wrote:I hear you can get these way cheaper if you just go straight to the farm. I backed up to the Silo and filled my pickup with em for just $300.

ive heard that as well, thrice.

You know how some people can smell rain before it actually rains?

I smell a ffotoow coming tomorrow!
A little emsg told me so!