shosterman wrote:Found the article about some ionic purifiers that create small amounts of ozone can cause respiratory problems.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060509235740.htm

Is this unit one if those?

The Ionic filter models were slapped by the EPA years ago for putting out harmful levels of ozone. The ones that put out small amounts are pretty beningn unless you're running this on high 24/7 for weeks in a sealed room before walking into it to breathe...

Mostly Ozone is used to remove or mask odors.

Funniest description of all time.

Sandy106 wrote:400 square feet each? So I'd need 20 of these to cover my house?

8000 sf house? um sure

Consumer reports:
Sanyo Air Washer ABC-VW24A
MSRP: $250
Tested
Total Score: 44 (out of 100)
Highest Rated Model: 74
Lowest Rated Model: 20

Dust/pollen/smoke removal (high): Dust/pollen/smoke removal is how well a model cleared air of fine clay dust and cigarette smoke when operating at its highest speed. A model that scores well for dust removal should perform comparably for pollen.

Rated Good on high, Poor on low
Noise Fair on high, Excellent on low
Annual cost in energy is 42 and filter 18

However, @ $99, they would probably rate it higher. Their top two models and picks are $300 & $260 with filters costing much higher. Also, having had a cat and having allergies, I don't personally agree IMVHO that clay dust disperses like pollen or dust mite debris. Just my .02 & why I'm in for 2.

how do u send it as a gift without having the price show up

StCarl wrote:Seen for $299.99 on Amazon

Not the same model. This model is $198 on Amazon.

Ledro2000 wrote:Soooo, what does this thing do to the humidity in your house? Might be ok in the winter, but I don't want any more humidity in the warm months.

It does nothing. It is neither a humidifier or dehumidifier, it's a filter.

Sanyo suggests replacing the filter every 4 years. It sells for 70 bucks in the US:

http://us.sanyo.com/SANYO-Store/Air-Purification-Systems

And here's the cheaper, earlier model:
http://i.imgur.com/hTXVX.jpg

NortonsArk wrote:@drgradus: Thanks for the Consumer Reports link, but they don't let you view the results unless you are a member. Did they like it or not?

Consumer Reports rates it "good" with a score of 44. It rated poor at the low speed level for dust/pollen/smoke, and good at the highest speed. The annual energy cost is 42, and the annual filter cost is 18. On noise, it rated fair at high speed, and excellent at low speed.

Overall seems like a pass. HOWEVER, I'm tempted because I like the idea of a humidifier/air purifier. I live in the desert of Arizona.

suteishichic wrote:Consumer reports:
Sanyo Air Washer ABC-VW24A
MSRP: $250
Tested
Total Score: 44 (out of 100)
Highest Rated Model: 74
Lowest Rated Model: 20

Dust/pollen/smoke removal (high): Dust/pollen/smoke removal is how well a model cleared air of fine clay dust and cigarette smoke when operating at its highest speed. A model that scores well for dust removal should perform comparably for pollen.

Rated Good on high, Poor on low
Noise Fair on high, Excellent on low
Annual cost in energy is 42 and filter 18

However, @ $99, they would probably rate it higher. Their top two models and picks are $300 & $260 with filters costing much higher. Also, having had a cat and having allergies, I don't personally agree IMVHO that clay dust disperses like pollen or dust mite debris. Just my .02 & why I'm in for 2.

Thank you for your "VHO," I kinda agree with you. This seems to be a great product. My air filter is kinda slowly dying. And, I hate having to give it up when I have guests; my mom always needs it-- but, dang, I do too!

fern617 wrote:
Overall seems like a pass. HOWEVER, I'm tempted because I like the idea of a humidifier/air purifier. I live in the desert of Arizona.

The amount of water it puts into the air is less than you breathing for a few minutes... not an acceptable replacement for a humidifier.

In for 3. My finished basement is stinky and dusty, my office at work has the worst air quality ever, and my bedroom could always stand to be fresher.

mwinkykitty wrote:I would never trust Amazon's prices on items they are currently selling on WOOT!

Amazon price history for
Sanyo ABC-VW24 Air Washer Air Purification System with Electrolyzed Water Technology

Seems like Sanyo is out to save the world.
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shosterman wrote:Found the article about some ionic purifiers that create small amounts of ozone can cause respiratory problems.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060509235740.htm

Is this unit one if those?

I have an ionic air purifier. I have asthma. It doesn't bother it. It may bother someone as far as smell. It sorta leaves a smell -- faint chlorine-like. I use it in the kidling's room during the day (remove it before she gets home from school .... sneaky). She can't smell it because her room has teenager stink to it.

yeladot wrote:I have an ionic air purifier. I have asthma. It doesn't bother it. It may bother someone as far as smell. It sorta leaves a smell -- faint chlorine-like. I use it in the kidling's room during the day (remove it before she gets home from school .... sneaky). She can't smell it because her room has teenager stink to it.

That chlorine oder you smell is ozone. It is breaking up into O2 and O and the O is destroying your lung cells.

onederse wrote:Hamilton Beach 04383 True Air Allergen-Reducing Air Cleaner has better review ratings and lower prices.

I don't know where you are seeing reviews that makes the HB rated better.

I found that the Holmes HAP756-U was the least expensive and best rated by Consumer Reports.

CR said it was $150, I found a deal for it to be $97 + tax.

Holmes HAP756-U

Coupon Code
Q1PEAAA

Free shipping

Just have to pay tax.

Sandy106 wrote:400 square feet each? So I'd need 20 of these to cover my house?

How do these compare to Oreck filters and the Ionic Breeze from Sharper Image?

Simple. The Ionic Breeze does NOT work. It has been tested by third parties and has been shown to not clean the air much at all. HEPA is the way to go. Even in cleanroom for semiconductor processing, we use HEPA (but more sophisticated, of course) filters. We use ionic TRAPS but not like those little things inside an ionic breeze. In fact, there was even a lawsuit against Sharper Image.

The Sharp air purifier, this and all of their other purifiers are some of the best around the world. They are not only powerful, they are whisper quiet. I have four, one in my bedroom (yes, no sound at all), one in my office, two in my studios.

freakaazoid wrote:Sanyo suggests replacing the filter every 4 years. It sells for 70 bucks in the US:

http://us.sanyo.com/SANYO-Store/Air-Purification-Systems

And here's the cheaper, earlier model:
http://i.imgur.com/hTXVX.jpg

Will the filter be available 4 years from now?

The entire unit costs $100. If the filter costs $70 then the rest of it is only worth 30 bucks.
Sell it to me for 30 bucks and I'll make my own filter. OK plus $5 for shipping!!

jeepcreep11 wrote:How do you guys think this would fare in a very high humidity environment?
I have lots of fishtanks/lizards and the breeding room is warm and with high humidity (85%).
The repti-bark smell is pronounced.
Thoughts?

Thought: You have a breeding room?

o.O

So if this elctrolyzed water does what they say it does to bacteria and viruses, then what does it do to the human body when you are constantly breathing it in?

I have one of these. I got it to review and I simply love it. Easy to maintain and does a great job keeping down the dust from woodstoves and pets. The filter just needs vacuuming occasionally and may eventually need to be replaced, but I haven't had it tell me to do that.

I have asthma and this works great for it.

Only downside: the water reservoir is a bit small. But beyond that, this is a heckuva deal. I think when I looked at it on Amazon, it was close to $300.

jeepcreep11 wrote:How do you guys think this would fare in a very high humidity environment?
I have lots of fishtanks/lizards and the breeding room is warm and with high humidity (85%).
The repti-bark smell is pronounced.
Thoughts?

Thought: The repti may be the problem -- my dog-bark has hardly any smell at all.

;-)

I have this filter I purchased refurb'ed from Overstock for the same price as this new unit. I've been quite obsessed with HEPA purifiers for the last 6 months. This Sanyo is quite good. I bought one for my parents and the last one on Overstock for myself. The best part of it is that the filter is rated for 4 years. I have 2 other purifiers made by Winix and the filter are suppose to last one year and at $60 a filter, that's $240 at the cost of one Sanyo filter.

I keep this on the medium level at all times and turn it up to high when the needs arise. The medium level is great for background white noise. The high is too loud but good for occasional rapid cleaning. Not sure if the Virus washer helps but I keep the tank filled whenever I stop seeing the white smoke bellow out the top.

The Winix on amazon is on sale for $150 and at that price it's a bargain. This unit kicks ass and it moves a LOT of air. Good enough for a 350 sq. ft. room. But I may purchase this as a backup since it's so cheap.

lwang wrote:That chlorine oder you smell is ozone. It is breaking up into O2 and O and the O is destroying your lung cells.

Actually, the smell really is chlorine, according to the Wikipedia article posted above (which is here. The electrolysis pulls the chlorine out of the tap water and uses it to create the disinfection property.

Gotta love the internets...seeing how much these sell for at other places! Up to $485!!!??? And some people will actually buy them at that price?! Fools.
I am interested in one, but do wonder Where these are made now. Anyone know?
Thanks!

^^X^^

Batman4oz wrote:Gotta love the internets...seeing how much these sell for at other places! Up to $485!!!??? And some people will actually buy them at that price?! Fools.
I am interested in one, but do wonder Where these are made now. Anyone know?
Thanks!

^^X^^

Probably manufactured in Vietnam, assembled in China, and labeled as a Japanese brand...

tommymats wrote:

The Winix on amazon is on sale for $150 and at that price it's a bargain. This unit kicks ass and it moves a LOT of air. Good enough for a 350 sq. ft. room. But I may purchase this as a backup since it's so cheap.

not clear which you are referring to when

A review on ionized water's effect on the body

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html

Another version of the Consumer Reports Rating:
The Sanyo model is the 18th from the top out of 22 portable room air purifiers tested.
On high speed it gets a 'good' rating for dust/pollen/smoke removal (equivalent to 3 out of 5).
It is by far the least expensive. Cheapest in the top 10 is Holmes HAP756 at $150.

You may feel free to push the stupidly large button.

Note: Orek Proshield Plus is rated second to last.

Fredsmajic wrote:I read for a little bit, but couldn't find anything regarding having to purchase filters. Anyone know if there is a filter that needs to be replaced (other than the pre-filter which is said to only need replacing every 4 years)?

The HEPA filter needs to be replaced every 4 years.
They are only available from Sanyo for $70 plus shipping.

drgradus wrote:Found the Consumer Reports.

A waste of money based on this.

lll0228 wrote:The Ionic Breeze does NOT work.

Wrong.
It does work.
It just doesn't work to the same extent as fan driven purifiers.

I bought one for a friend many years ago, and he said he had to frequently clean the metal collection plates. He did show me the plates too, they were quite dirty.
Considering it had no fan, it did a damn good job.

Here is an old review (not mine) that also shows the dirt I was describing: http://www.airpurifiersadvice.com/ionic-breeze-air-purifier.htm

Also, the old complaints about Ionic breeze don't directly apply to the new models.
The old models didn't have fans, the new ones do.

I don't have any experience with the newer Ionic Breeze models, but if they are at least as good as the old ones, then they DO work.

drgradus wrote:Found the Consumer Reports.

If you're not subscribed, this air purifier did not rank highly. It got a 44 out of 100. At full speed, it'll clean the 400' w/ noise. Otherwise, did fair to poor. Not so hot on electric bills- 42:100

Not 42 out of 100. The annual energy cost to run this is $42 a year. The filter is $18 a year (or $70 filter for four years and rounded up from 17.50). Not bad.

Their top two choices are $91 & $143 for energy a year and $117 & $50 a year for filters.

The filters can be a deal killer. Often expensive and worse very hard to find. Plus CR has several times not added in the cost of a pre-filter which you end up needing to replace monthly because often vacuuming or washing can only do so much on thin screens until they fail -- the air purifiers we're using now CR failed to add pre-filters into the costs. And neither one has filters that are currently sold in stores so they all have to be ordered online or the manufacturers helpfully suggests you buy a new model. Gee thanks. Sorta reminds me of printer ink. In a bad way. >_<

genericwoot wrote:Is there a way to order more than once? I wanted to get two sent to two separate addresses but it won't let me put in a second order.

What I have done is shoot woot an email from their customer support page. And they will be more than happy to help you . Ive had to do that several times in the past . I hope this helps .

Sandy106 wrote:400 square feet each? So I'd need 20 of these to cover my house?

How do these compare to Oreck filters and the Ionic Breeze from Sharper Image?

I'm guessing that if you can afford an 8000 square foot house you don't need to be shopping for items on Woot.

Sandy106 wrote:400 square feet each? So I'd need 20 of these to cover my house?

How do these compare to Oreck filters and the Ionic Breeze from Sharper Image?

8000 square feet? mighty big house, Mr. Gates.

Denimbear wrote:What I have done is shoot woot an email from their customer support page. And they will be more than happy to help you . Ive had to do that several times in the past . I hope this helps .

Thanks for the info Denimbear! I'll give that a shot.

Looks promising but I hold BlueAir very highly when it comes to air purifying. For this price, if it works, should be a steal.