zhangg wrote:Would this serve as a computer monitor? IE, can anyone shed light on the difference between this and my 22" LED 1080p Viewsonic monitor, aside from this one having more connection options, a tuner and a remote?

More pictures here:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331716&CatId=5987#

I found this spec review after a web search. http://fullspecsreviews.com/silo-edsl2460f-24-inch-led-backlit-hdtv.html

kmsshaffer wrote:It doesn't look like it has a DVI input. Otherwise it looks nice.

DVI and HDMI are essentially the same thing, minus the audio stream for the HDMI spec. You can get a pinout adapter or cable for a less then $3.

isavino wrote:Man I've been looking around for a good monitor that I can use to game/watch movies on my 360 and play PC games too.. But I'm worried that once I buy a 24" that I'll wish I got a 32". I know I don't want a TV that's TOO big because my room wouldn't be able to fit it anyway but I feel like 24" is so tiny if I really want to invest in a 1080p..

Also I would like to know if Silo is reliable and if it's 120hz, cuz 120 is supposed to be way better for movies right?

Research shows that for most home environments, 32" is the minimum size one should consider if you sit at least 5' away.

This is not 120hz. In fact, I don't think it's even 60hz.

The advantage of 120hz is only evident if you watch a lot of fast movements, i.e. sports. That may be the case with some video games. The fast screen refreshes eliminates blurring and makes movement look smoother. But if you mostly watch drama, pornography, cooking shows, the news, etc where scenes are mostly static, you won't need 120hz.

brian5888 wrote:Looks like a great deal and I'm tempted but two things especially concern me upon visiting the Silo website. One, the message prominently displayed that says "Purchases made through unauthorized dealers are not covered by the warranty" and, two, that there is no 24" TV listed currently in their product line. Is this a discontinued item and is Woot considered an authorized dealer. Ultimately, what warranty is this 24" TV covered under if the additional SquraeTrade warranty isn't purchased?

The description has a link to the Warranty, which is provided by NIVS USA, which can be reached online or at 1(888)783-9880.

Here's an excerpt:
"LIMITED WARRANTY
This limited warranty applies in the United States and Canada to all LCD/LED TV Display products manufactured or distributed under the SILO brand name. Please note that you have to register at our website at www.usanivs.com or our customer service hotline 1(888)783-9880 with in 60 Days of purchase, to be covered by this warranty.
Terms of the Warranty NIVS USA warrants the LCD/LED Display product you have purchased against defects in materials or workmanship
under normal usage conditions for ne-calendar year. This limited warranty commences on the date of purchase and
entitles you to a one-calendar year parts and labor warranty. Proof of purchase in the form of a purchase receipt or
copy thereof is required..."

Who wants a 24" TV, no matter the cost? Look at your monitor... it's likely to be 21-23 inches... Now back up 6 feet...... yea a little small huh?

Only practical use I can think of is a large center fold down TV in a car shared by the backseat passengers. Being LED it's likely to be thin.

ninjit wrote:I think it's interesting to note that there's no SquareTrade warranty offered for this TV/Monitor - while there was one offered for the last TV on woot - which was still an offbrand "Protron".

If squaretrade was willing to warranty that no-name model, but not this one...
That alone tells me to pass on tonight's woot.

You can buy a SquareTrade warranty on just about anything you buy from anywhere, so just because Woot didn't package it (or offer it) doesn't necessarily mean you can't purchase one.

vidroth wrote:To the folks thinking this would make a good monitor...

Probably not. The dot pitch on a TV is generally WAY worse than a computer monitor. I know it sounds like "resolution=resolution, 1920x1080=1920x1080" but as a rule it just ain't so. Small computer text is MUCH harder to read on a TV, even at 1080p.

Actually, it just IS so.

Dot pitch was independent of resolution on CRTs, but with LCDs it is literally the physical dimensions divided by the native resolution. Any 24" 1920x1080 display will be .27mm.

I'm using a 22" 1080p TV as a monitor in my bedroom, and 2 multihead rigs including 3 CRT monitors, an LCD monitor, and another 22" HDTV on my desk, so I know what I'm talking about.

Sorry, but if the warranty is NOT through Woot then I'm out.

Woot will honor the products they sell. I have never had and luck with strange 3rd party warranty companies. They make up any excuse to not honor the warranty. Then who do you call?

Stay away everyone. If yours breaks within a year or arrives broken, you cant go through woot. Good Luck with NIVS or whoever they claim to be.

I didn't see ClearQAM listed. Oversight, or just not capable at all? I may just be in if I can pull in my "free" digital cable channels. :-)

From Geeks.com
Jazz up your Home Theater Experience with this 24-inch SILO Digital EDSL2460F 1080p Widescreen LED LCD HDTV!

Bring movies, sporting events, and high def programming to life in the comfort of your living room or bedroom! This SILO Digital EDSL2460F HDTV features a 24-inch widescreen LED LCD with a 16:9 aspect ratio and 1920 x 1080 native/optimum resolution that is sure to be a feast for the eyes!

Both HDMI inputs deliver a 1080p signal and enable you to connect desired components such as Blu-ray players, game consoles, set top boxes, PCs, and AV receivers so you can have the ultimate home theater experience! Hook up a Blu-ray or HD DVD movie, Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii gaming console and you may never leave your home!

weak brand! Pass!

SuperNinja wrote:Every headphone jack I have ever used would turn off the speakers when the plug was inserted. I would wager that this one is no different.

I have two LCDs that run the headphone jack volume independently from the speaker volume. The speaker volume remains unchanged (in fact, the headphones remain plugged in always), when I turn the volume on the TVs all the way down the headphones are unaffected...I adjust the volume to the headphones on the headphones themselves...FWIW.

AuraDave wrote:Silo, when I was young —
I used to call your name
When no one else would come,
Silo, you always came
And we'd watch TV ..

Funny, Neil.

Another Chinesse knock-off.

groundeeoso wrote:Question - my grandma is looking for a new TV. She doesn't have cable and doesn't have any sort of convertor box or external antenna. Will she be able to pull in her local stations with this TV, without having to buy anything else? Thanks!

All grandma will need is this TV and a antenna.She will not need a converter box. $15.00 dollar antenna should work well in most locations.

harley1858 wrote:All grandma will need is this TV and a antenna.She will not need a converter box. $15.00 dollar antenna should work well in most locations.

If grandma is a sports fan, you may want to look for a TV with a faster screen refresh rate - something 4 msec of better. The 6 msesc refresh on this unit is fine for most stuff, but will show some blur/shadowing on fast motion/action scenes.

vidroth wrote:To the folks thinking this would make a good monitor...

Probably not. The dot pitch on a TV is generally WAY worse than a computer monitor. I know it sounds like "resolution=resolution, 1920x1080=1920x1080" but as a rule it just ain't so. Small computer text is MUCH harder to read on a TV, even at 1080p.

This is a load of dingo's kidneys. I used a 32" 1080p set for a primary monitor for some time and it looked fantastic. Perhaps if you fail to tune subpixel font antialiasing you might have a problem. Don't fail.

The average 20" LCD computer display is 1680x1050. I am sitting at two of them right now. 22" at 1920x1080 does not have any shortage of pixels.

CANT BE USED AS A COMPUTER MONITOR...THERE IS NO USB PORT........

BensonM wrote:
I'm using a 22" 1080p TV as a monitor in my bedroom, and 2 multihead rigs including 3 CRT monitors, an LCD monitor, and another 22" HDTV on my desk, so I know what I'm talking about.

I don't know what you just said, but I sure would like to see a picture.

wootalyzer wrote:Wootalyzer's Pricing Post! - The price of today's woot item is saved here for future reference
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Silo 24" 1080p LED HDTV
$159.99 + $5 Shipping
Condition: New

*DISCLAIMER* Wootalyzer! is in no way affiliated with Woot!, and this post may not always be here!

Has Woot! sold this TV before? If so, what was the price?

There is no QAM Tuner? Therefore no cable HD without an HD box. Forget it.

dpuett wrote:Get a 27"

Ooo they have 27"? Someone link me some deals, I'm lazy :P

hankjaracz wrote:CANT BE USED AS A COMPUTER MONITOR...THERE IS NO USB PORT........

Huh? The majority of computer monitors out there today probably don't have USB ports.

This will be fine as a monitor. The resolution is on par, and the dot pitch isn't different just because it's a TV. I'm not sure how color + contrast + viewing angle are though. I suspect not great, but I'm judging that only off the price. (and that I'm a snob about monitors)

mitchwooter wrote:There is no QAM Tuner? Therefore no cable HD without an HD box. Forget it.

Yup.. No Qam = No deal. Damn.

I just woke up saw this and jumped all over it. Perfect for replacing the old 19 incher in the bedroom.

isavino wrote:Ooo they have 27"? Someone link me some deals, I'm lazy :P

Hi-

Here you go-

http://www.amazon.com/HP-2711x-27-Inch-LED-Monitor/dp/B004G8QO8O/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

paulw1128 wrote:One more point to note - for those wanting to use this as a PC/games monitor: 24 inch 1920x180 monitors generally run around the same price on sites like amazon, for much better-known brands.

Going this route you sacrifice the TV-tuner and usually the speakers (which you won't get anything through if you use DVI-HDMI adapters *anyway*). USB TV-tuners are pretty cheap nowadays though :-)

But monitors generally lack the multitude of connections you get in a TV, i.e. some computer monitors don't have HDMI or Component inputs, the latter being used by older HD equipment. So if you have lots of A/V equipment, a TV is a better option. I currently have a DVR, a regular VCR, a SVHS VCR, 2 DVD recorders, a DVD player, an HD cable box, and 2 media players (for AVI, RMVB, MP4 videos). Each component has at least one irreplaceable feature that is not found elsewhere. No computer monitor can handle my needs.

As for TV tuners, a USB model requires leaving the computer on whenever you watch TV. A non-USB tuner that goes directly to the monitor can't record like a DVR.

kmsshaffer wrote:It doesn't look like it has a DVI input. Otherwise it looks nice.

DVI is old tech now, besides, you can buy DVI to HDMI converter connectors for a few $.

randrew1 wrote:Hi-

Here you go-

http://www.amazon.com/HP-2711x-27-Inch-LED-Monitor/dp/B004G8QO8O/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

WOW,13% off MSRP...some deal.

AuraDave wrote:Silo, when I was young —
I used to call your name
When no one else would come,
Silo, you always came
And we'd watch TV ..

You know your tunes. Nice reference!

vixro wrote:Who wants a 24" TV, no matter the cost? Look at your monitor... it's likely to be 21-23 inches... Now back up 6 feet...... yea a little small huh?

Only practical use I can think of is a large center fold down TV in a car shared by the backseat passengers. Being LED it's likely to be thin.

Actually 24" might be perfect for a dorm room or a child's room. Or any place where you want the TV up close and there is no room for a 32". And no, a Wooter's monitor may not be "likely to be 21-23 inches" because many/most people use laptops these days, making the average size to be 14"-17".

As for LED TVs being thin, you may be confused with actual OLED panels, which aren't yet sold for the general consumer market. Current ones are very small and costs several thousand dollars. THose are thin because the OLEDs are literally printed on a flexible sheet. This TV is LED backlit, which means that it uses LEDs rather than fluorescent tubes to light behind the LCD panel. Since fluorescent tubes are already very thin (the ones in my monitor looked like straws), side-mounted LEDs and their diffusers won't make LED TVs dramatically thinner. This TV is 1.75" thick. Where LEDs have a huge advantage are energy use, durability and lifespan.

woot2b2 wrote:norsag wrote:
Don't waste your money. Toshiba 24SLV411U 24-Inch 1080p LED-LCD HDTV has a good deal now.

I cannot even find the information about the site where this link sent me to. No name. Just the word WELCOME. Is this kind of site fraudulent in their listing?

Dude is a known spammer who signs up a new user name every day. Use the tattle button.

jeffiekins wrote:Boy; this is really an outstanding deal. Usually, $10/inch is a good deal for a refurb LCD TV. This one is new, and closer to $6/inch.

[Edit: okay, actually $6.67]

And full HD, too. If I needed a TV, I'd be all over this. (Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but seriously...)

And, yes, you can use it for a computer monitor; it has VGA and HDMI plugs, so it can be a first or second monitor, as long as your PC or video card is new-ish, and at least it can be a first monitor, even if your PC's old.

one word....perv.

hankjaracz wrote:CANT BE USED AS A COMPUTER MONITOR...THERE IS NO USB PORT........

Most computers and computer monitors don't use USB for connecting. Computers generally use VGA, DVI or HDMI. In fact, I've never used a computer that outputs video via USB.

emeybee wrote:Are we sure these aren't stolen?

It seems that many people ordering earlier Silo TVs from Woot received them broken. Silo then wouldn't honor the warrantee, claiming that the TVs that Woot was selling were stolen. Woot replied to that post saying they would look into it, but never posted a follow up.

Disconcerting... (not that I think Woot stole the TVs, but that Silo would behave shadily and not honor the warrantee).

Yikes! Hey Woot...what's the haps?

I've just checked out the NIVS website the Woot warranty link goes to. www.usanivs.com It's pretty much a joke. Check out the Customer Service and FAQ tabs. Fail.

I know that Square Trade warranties usually kick in AFTER the manufacturer warranty. Any chance that purposely failing to register the product with NIVS would cause the Square Trade warranty to kick in immediately? (Instead of after a year of no help from NIVS?)

ninjit wrote:I think it's interesting to note that there's no SquareTrade warranty offered for this TV/Monitor - while there was one offered for the last TV on woot - which was still an offbrand "Protron".

If squaretrade was willing to warranty that no-name model, but not this one...
That alone tells me to pass on tonight's woot.

Thank you so much! Would not have thought to check on this and you are right. Says everything.

Yes, there IS TOO a Square Trade warranty. Read all the posts. Woot jumped in to say that they left it off the page by mistake. It's on there now. Go look. Been there for a while. We can all stop worrying.

vidroth wrote:To the folks thinking this would make a good monitor...

Probably not. The dot pitch on a TV is generally WAY worse than a computer monitor. I know it sounds like "resolution=resolution, 1920x1080=1920x1080" but as a rule it just ain't so. Small computer text is MUCH harder to read on a TV, even at 1080p.

And you can get a bargain 24" monitor for not much more than this.

I know you'll do it anyway, but remember you were warned.

This wouldn't be too bad for a computer monitor, compared to some of the larger TVs that are only 720p.

A 24" TV with a resolution of 1920 * 1080 has almost the exact same number of pixels per inch as a 14" monitor running a resolution of 1024 * 768. That particular combination was very popular "back in the day" and should be readable enough as long as you're not using crazy-small fonts.

sdc100 wrote:Research shows that for most home environments, 32" is the minimum size one should consider if you sit at least 5' away.

This is not 120hz. In fact, I don't think it's even 60hz.

The advantage of 120hz is only evident if you watch a lot of fast movements, i.e. sports. That may be the case with some video games. The fast screen refreshes eliminates blurring and makes movement look smoother. But if you mostly watch drama, pornography, cooking shows, the news, etc where scenes are mostly static, you won't need 120hz.

The only other application where a home user wold need 120hz and beyond is watching 3D material. 3D works by splitting teh available screen refreshes between the right and left eye. In other words, the screen TV alternates between images meant for the right and left eye. The two images differ slightly based on perspective seen from the left and right eyes. Special LCD glasses leave the intended side clear while the other lens is blacked out. This happens so fast that the brain sees the alternating images simultaneously, integrating them into a single image with depth, aka 3D. If the refresh rate isn't fast enough, you'd see flickering which can lead to major headaches. In a 120hz TV, each eye sees a 60hz picture, which is basically the minimum you'd need for convincing 3D.

None of this is relevant to this Silo TV, however, so my apologies for wasting your time.

txalan wrote:DVI is old tech now, besides, you can buy DVI to HDMI converter connectors for a few $.

Old tech? You do realize that HDMI is basically just DVI + audio, yes?

HDMI does have 3D and some other tricks when you get into it, but for this application (TV used as computer monitor), HDMI = DVI

No need for the wimpy little adapter end either, you can get a DVI - HDMI cable (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812270113) for $10 shipped vs adapter for $7 shipped.

I'm getting one of these TVs for my bench. $160? I'll bite. Component and svid? There's xbox1 testing. HDMI and VGA for the computers. Excellent. Can't find a PC monitor with all that unless I pull my Dell 2405 off my desk but that's 1920x1200. Might swap them since the Silo has better speed...