pinchecat wrote:should i find it concerning that they already have enough refurbished units to feature this on Woot?

Probably not. Most of these were probably returned when the buyer realized for the same price they could have had a real computer rather than a juiced-up cell phone that won't make phone calls.

kellant64 wrote:How did you get the update? Motorola site still says a future upgrade.

How and WHERE did you get the UPDATE? You said you got it TODAY, so tell us more. What is the latest "BUILD NUMBER" in settings under "About Tablet"?

lament wrote:give credit where it's due. Apple didn't create Webkit on their own. They borrowed code from Konqueror's KHTML software library to create it.

Well they forked an open source program (KHTML) to create it. I did originally include that in my post, but then I decided it would just make the post more confusing for some people.

Remote Desktop, my friend. I used to laugh at the idea of a tablet as a laptop replacement. But now, having enough apps to cover most basic computing tasks, plus the ability to get in and grab my actual computer when needed...takes the cake for me.

jpstrings wrote:
Now don't get me wrong, i am tempted to buy a tablet, but i still can not justify the cost yet and can not find any real uses for it. My smart phone does everything this tablet does plus make calls.

pinchecat wrote:should i find it concerning that they already have enough refurbished units to feature this on Woot?

Exactly what I was thinking... unless they've been making and selling a hella lot of these things, it seems really early to have a wootable amount of refurbs available. And that makes me wonder a lot about the overall quality and reliability level of the product. Given I've not heard about record sales of XOOM tablets, then either a lot of people have been buying, and returning immediately (unsatisfied with the way the tablet works, what it does, performance, etc) or one heck of a lot of these have been going back DOA..

either way, as mr 8-ball says. 'outlook not good'

For half the price you can by a refurbed nook color on ebay, then root the sucker fairly easily to get a very comparable android tablet. The biggest difference would be screen size. In this demo they look pretty similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9qu9yftWA

Duhhh wrote:Does it support FB chat? My SO refuses to touch the iPad because there's no chat on FB, and that's like having no oxygen in the air, apparently.

You can use Meebo and probably many other IM clients for Facebook Chat on the iPad. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/meebo/id351727311?mt=8

darkinc wrote:Hows the GPS on this thing? In terms of driving down the road and using it as a GPS device.

Appears this is the wifi only version. GPS wont work unless your connected to a wifi network (so likely almost never when you're driving)

The Facebook app very occasionally crashes. But yes, it has Fb chat.

And Google+ ... :D

Bootes wrote:You can use Meebo and probably many other IM clients for Facebook Chat on the iPad.

prdamrican wrote:I bought my Xoom on April 1st and I downloaded the flash update like the next day... it play Flash just fine, and has for quite some time. There have been several Flash updates as well.

The MicroSD card does not yet work in the US. The 3.1 Android update that came out in Europe last week or so enabled it for them. The 3.2 update is due out, and believed to have the SD card enabled. But honestly, with 32 GB, I haven't needed it yet.

I believe the upgrade being mentioned here is the 4G upgrade, and since this is the WiFi version, is not relevant. But I don't believe it has been release yet (mines Wifi only so its moot). I use a portable router with a USB stick (or FreeTether on my Pre2) when I need cell access.

3.2 update for the WiFi Xoom was released yesterday. Info can be found here:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/07/12/download-motorola-xoom-wifi-3-2-update-htj85b/

NascarDad wrote:But doesn't the ASUS have really shoddy QC?

Just the Transformer or ASUS overall? I have a(n) Eee Slate EP121 and a(n) Eee Note, and both are fine.

-- Ed

ivanivanovich wrote:Just the Transformer or ASUS overall? I have a(n) Eee Slate EP121 and a(n) Eee Note, and both are fine.

-- Ed

The ASUS Transformer. We have an EEE netbook that has performed admirably for years, but a lot of complaints of defective screens and plastic coming apart on the ASUS transformer. Would have pulled the trigger on that otherwise.

I hate my XOOM...

My Xoom browser crashes on a regular basis. I really hate it. Usually it crashes subtly by not responding to any links, url, or bookmark requests but still allowing me to view the current page by scrolling it. It also will just freeze and get a force close or wait prompt. It's important to note that these issues occur with 3rd party browsers as well. So it is either Xoom hardware or Honeycomb.

Video of mine of a particular oddity with the browser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCFYx-17AXA&lc=wHvG5ptEZafNEwo6u7kCNDwj_YA_9fB_r2726LbEsq0

Froggypwns wrote:They are only resource hogging if your system can't handle them! It is nice having the full web experience for better or worse. Flash games run flawlessly, and ads don't bog it down. I don't feel like installing any form of ad blocker, as they hurt the websites developers. I can click on an embedded youtube video and it plays without issue or having to switch to a youtube app.

I laugh, my Nokia N800 tablet 2005, which predates the even the original iPhone supports flash! Epic fail Apple.

Flash is always resource hogging. Yes, it can be convenient to have it when necessary, but I would leave it off 99% of the time.

I don't believe in ad blockers either. Those ads support the websites whose content you're viewing. If people don't like the ads, they shouldn't view the content. However, websites detect that you don't have Flash and just show you non flash versions of ads on the iPad.

Can the lack of Flash be annoying? Yes, but it's greatly overused on the internet right now. Apple has a long history of not including things that were holding back the tech world. The iMac didn't have a floppy drive and only had USB ports for peripherals at a time when this was unthinkable. The only way to push people forward is to just take away their old ways of doing things. Just look at all the crappy PS2 and other useless ports still included on almost every other computer. Apple is forcing companies to stop using Flash when it's unnecessary and I 100% support this.

gooblikon wrote:Apple doesn't deserve credit for anything, they just take the base of everyone else's programs and puts ridiculous hipster crap into it, I mean look at what they did to Linux with their crappy OS' and they stole the "i" from IT people's abbreviation for internet in acronyms which doesn't make any sense for them to take!

Mac OS X didn't use anything from Linux. I believe you're looking for BSD UNIX. They obviously have done something, because I don't see 99% of the population ever using FreeBSD on their computer, phone, or tablet. If they didn't make great contributions to KHTML why does everyone use Webkit over KHTML?

scarpozzi wrote:I would have bought an iPad, Xoom, Galaxy, or iPad2 by now but still can't justify replacing my Droid1 yet. It's like, I bought it right after launch and it still can roughly do everything all these devices do...it's just a little more sluggish, but has wifi/3G, GPS, 16GB, and the ability to download apps from the marketplace.

I still have my G1 ... does it beat a slate tablet 'cause it has a built-in keyboard? ;) No, because to me cruisin' websites is a pain on a phone screen, and reading books is a little more of a strain too.

scarpozzi wrote:I know people who own 3 or 4 of these types of devices...if you ask me, that's a total waste since they all have roughly the same functionality.

{raises hand} I see it as doing my part to stimulate the world economy. :D

-- Ed

I bought one, kept it for a week, returned it & got an iPad2 instead. The Xoom was too slow to reposition for horizontal to vertical, it would take up to 5 seconds or more most times; it didn't register well with the touch screen so I'd be tapping & tapping to get it to do something or to scroll; can't use Netflix; couldn't read any of my ebooks on it (Sony doesn't have a good app for it); so what was the point? It was way too frustrating.

The iPad is a much better fit for me.

prUsP69E wrote: Who needs apps! Right?

Funny, you sound like a Mac owner.

Bootes wrote:Yes you can play iTunes purchases on it. You'll probably want to use doubleTwist http://www.doubletwist.com/ to sync.

The GPS isn't useless because you could purchase something like Navigon and use it to give you directions in your car. Many apps use it to quickly give you local results. Find restaurants, movie times, etc nearby without having to enter where you are.

Woot! I used to work at doubleTwist :-)

I own two of these already and I can tell you that I am very happy with both. I have the 3G model from Verizon and the wireless model too. These are great devices that give you the mobility and performance equal to the I pad.
I am thinking about getting another for my son!

joebeimon wrote:Thanks for all y'all's remarks... then, my next question is... can this play the iTunes purchases I have made since Apple has changed their proprietary BS. ??? It seems like a nice unit and if I can bill with it.... I hope...it is a go. then my next usage is music. And also.......????? If it is wifi only, the GPS is useless, since you will be where you will be.... wifi connected only..... right? der!

The best answer I could offer for that would be to get one of the many software packages available on the net that will remove the protection on itune music files and also convert them to mp3. It works GREAT and you are no longer held hostage by all the Apple-Crap...

krie wrote:It's hard to justify buying a tablet with the "usb android" version when none of them have usb...

I'm banking on a breakthrough in battery life before the next generation or two.

2 words, Acer A500

(usb port on the side, best thing ever!)

I love my xoom it is an amazing piece of technology and superior to the ipad in every way.

Java, Flash, Multi-tasking, SD, USB, HDMI, video, nice camera. GPS, Bluetooth tethering (awesome), When I plug it in, oh look, it's the F: Drive and there's a music folder... copy files, done.

The best part: I don't need the itunes virus.

Why would you buy something that can't do flash and you have to break it to put what you want on it?

Because this something isn't hindered by flash's myriad issues AND its closed-system approach does quite well at keeping out malware, viruses, etc., plus the fact that anything I personally want or need to do - well, there's an app for that.

bill0405 wrote:Appears this is the wifi only version. GPS wont work unless your connected to a wifi network (so likely almost never when you're driving)

That is not 100% true. While it is true that that you need a data connection for the out of the box Google Navigation, a quick search on the app store reveals dozens of offline alternatives. My personal favorite is CoPilot. It cost $25 USD but is one of the accepted standards for offline navigation. There are cheaper (and free alternatives) as well.

Part of the beauty of having a device with an open OS is that if you have a problem, there is likely an app with a solution

jmiller2523 wrote:Do you use ATT Uverse? If so, rebooting your router should do the trick. There has been a long running issue of the Uverse routers unable to assign IPs when they are hung. May not be your problem, i'm just sayin'.

Yeah, i tried rebooting the router, and lots of other things. The router issued an ip address (which is what i used to set it up manually) but the devices didn't get the memo...tried on two routers at home with no luck, but when i went to public spots (secure and open) they hooked up without any problems. After configuring them manually they surf the web and feed me pandora tunes without any problems.

prUsP69E wrote:I used to own one of these and remember sitting next to a iPad2 dude at the Atlanta airport. I told him all the vital stats of my Xoom - bigger screen, better camera etc. etc. The poor sap ... all he could brag about was the huge number of apps he could access on his iPad2.

While he was playing with his pages and pages of apps ... I was admiring the resolution of my Xoom. Who needs apps! Right?

Im pretty sure he was sitting there laughing at you thinking your piece of crap is better.

BrakX wrote:Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!! I hate you WOOT! I ordered the Viewsonic 10 inch last month and now you get this?!? This is the tablet I tell people to buy who is looking to get one! Oh and What is worse? I havn't even got the Viewsonic yet!

I sold my Viewsonic to a friend last week, for a $60 loss, but I did have it and use it for 3 months, so not really MUCH of a loss. I put the cash towards an upgrade to an Asus Transformer, which is in a totally different league, as is Woot's current offering. Coal vs diamonds.

Google is now an offline alternative too:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/download-map-area-added-to-labs-in.html

:D

lava9611 wrote:That is not 100% true. While it is true that that you need a data connection for the out of the box Google Navigation, a quick search on the app store reveals dozens of offline alternatives. My personal favorite is CoPilot. It cost $25 USD but is one of the accepted standards for offline navigation. There are cheaper (and free alternatives) as well.

Part of the beauty of having a device with an open OS is that if you have a problem, there is likely an app with a solution

Remote Desktop was just OK until today. It can be a bit hard to accurately click on stuff with a touchscreen. Today I connected my Bluetooth keyboard (VisionTek Candyboard)with a built in trackpad. I didn't know a mouse would pop up on the screen. NOW, Remote Desktop is awesome!
Check out SplashTop for RDP. Very slick!

Tsa05 wrote:Remote Desktop, my friend. I used to laugh at the idea of a tablet as a laptop replacement. But now, having enough apps to cover most basic computing tasks, plus the ability to get in and grab my actual computer when needed...takes the cake for me.

I have been doing a ton of reading on different reviews, products, and complaints about the Xoom. Overall, it seems to be a pretty solid product at a decent price.

I found some of the most informative stuff on www.xoom-blog.com - a lot of different reviews and suggestions all in one place. There's a ton of video reviews and video product reviews too. Could help in making a decision.

I think it comes down to this...If you have an iPhone, get an iPad.
Android phone....get a Xoom or similiar.

I love my Xoom even though I paid $600 on the day it was released. Use it everyday.

No NetFlix til next year, per NetFlix.

darkinc wrote:Hows the GPS on this thing? In terms of driving down the road and using it as a GPS device.

I've had a Xoom since March. The GPS is absolutely GREAT! Quick connects and very accurate. It works well with Google Maps.

Spent LOTS of time today (meaning since Midnight) going over the ipad2 VS Xoom debate ...
I was pretty close to being sure I wanted an iPad2 - but at $400 I started to rethink ...

I watched a very detailed comparison on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTPUdGjTp0E
(all 4 parts its over an hour)

The video was great except that he does not think the issue of Apps is that important ....

So in the end I looked at which things were important for me.

From all my reading I have no doubt that the Apps Store / selection etc. of Ipad is superior - I even spent time on the Google Android App Store and the Amazon Android Apps store .. And I found both to be very schlocky experiences compared to the Itunes Apps store.

But when I thought about my "dealbreaker" apps needed it was
Reader
GotomyPC
Really Good PDF reader / annotation etc.
Digital Ink / Handwritten etc into (evernote)

And I found that even if the Itumes Store and Apps were more mature I could get what I wanted.

As I watched that video above I kept my own score of "important to me differences" and this is what I came up with ...

Ipad is lighter
Ipad has a better App store and more "usable" Apps at this point.

Xoom has a GPS with the Wifi Only Model (on Ipad2 the actual GPS is on the 3G chip) - to me this was such a big deal that I was looking at aftermarket GPSs to add to my Ipad2 (and the ones that work are like $100)

Xoom has 32GB and (hopefully ability to add in memory)

I also like that I can use the Xoom with a simple cable to have HDMI out (I show lots of video presentations - so I would have bought the $50 ipad converter)

Smaller things that I liked about the Xoom
better camera
better video detail

In the end I went for it and bought the Xoom.
I am pretty sure the price pushed me.
I was not thrilled - but hoped as many people wrote - that refirbs are OK - and this has a full 1 year warantee so I feel better.

I think the real reason I pulled the trigger was I would have wasted so much more time trying to figure out what to get - that I would lose it in productivity ...

Bootes wrote:You can use Meebo and probably many other IM clients for Facebook Chat on the iPad. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/meebo/id351727311?mt=8

In addition to the other replies, while I don't know this for absolute fact, I am guessing if you use Dolphin Browser HD and set the agent to "desktop", you could probably bypass FB's mobile site, and chat as normal via browser.

Bootes wrote:I don't believe in ad blockers either. Those ads support the websites whose content you're viewing. If people don't like the ads, they shouldn't view the content.

I hope you can verify that you never, ever get up during commercials to get a drink or pee or whatever. Just during the show itself. 'Cause otherwise, you're stealing.

wolfwood316 wrote:I sold my Viewsonic to a friend last week, for a $60 loss, but I did have it and use it for 3 months, so not really MUCH of a loss. I put the cash towards an upgrade to an Asus Transformer, which is in a totally different league, as is Woot's current offering. Coal vs diamonds.

Other than the viewing angle, the EEe Pad has nothing on this. I've seen several reports of backlight bleeding and broken speakers on the Asus. I've also heard their customer service is pitiful.

fangfacekitty wrote:I bought one, kept it for a week, returned it & got an iPad2 instead. The Xoom was too slow to reposition for horizontal to vertical, it would take up to 5 seconds or more most times; it didn't register well with the touch screen so I'd be tapping & tapping to get it to do something or to scroll; can't use Netflix; couldn't read any of my ebooks on it (Sony doesn't have a good app for it); so what was the point? It was way too frustrating.

The iPad is a much better fit for me.

What did you have running in the background, My Xoom has been nothing but great for me. only lagging if i have a few high-end games running in the background.. the FB was bad & FC'ed ALOT for awhile but thats been patched, Alot of honeycomb Apps are out now...

but to each his own.

Boweevil wrote:why would you buy this when you can get an iPad for 350$


Also here's a Video Review

Because it's NOT an iPad

akrasna wrote:(mod note: The deer! Think of the teal deer!)

I own an iPad 2 but also purchased this. I'm bored with Apple's iOS. You made a good purchase.