worldofjohnboy wrote:Really, you can't go wrong with any of the major mobile tablets, with the exception of the Playbook and 7" Galaxy Tab. The playbook has no native email app, and they both look like Andre the Giant's cell phone.

That's why backscratchers were invented - to itch his own. I've spent many happy hours with my 7" Galaxy Tab.

-- Ed

Davidsturdy wrote:You are freaking OMGOMGOMGPONIESOMG PONIES! buddy. I work with all tablets, and the HP while it is a great tablet, definitely does not outperform any market tablet right now. Lets talk basics for a minute. If you are going to throw specs around, lets make sure you know what you are talking about... Asus Transformer yields a dual core 2.1 Ghz processor, whereas the HP Touchsuck only has a 1.2. Let's poll the audience on this one so you are well informed, and the public rules 2.1 is greater!!!!!! (What do we have for him Johnny?)

The Transformer (and almost every other Tegra 2 device) runs a 1.0 GHz
Where in the world did you get 2.1 GHz?

Shortly after the WiFi-only TouchPad was released (the same one for sale on Woot today), HP announced the TouchPad 4G for use on AT&T's cellular network (full disclosure, the following link is a site I work for):

http://www.carrypad.com/2011/07/12/hp-touchpad-4g-coming-with-faster-processordont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/

This '4G' version of the HP TouchPad has the same dual-core Snapdragon APQ8060 CPU but it's been clocked to 1.5GHz instead of 1.2GHz as in the WiFi-only version. HP hasn't said officially whether or not they'd bring this slight speed bump to the WiFi-only devices or not (it could conceivably be done through a software update).

Just something to be aware of before making your purchase decision.

I also wrote this article looking at the strengths and weaknesses of the TouchPad before launch, which may give you good context for the device and its contemporaries.

http://www.carrypad.com/2011/06/14/strengths-and-weaknessesa-look-at-hps-touchpad/

whatsamattaU wrote:Amazon: $379.99 +$9.81 shipping cheapest, 95 reviews, bit over 4 stars:

http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchPad-9-7-Inch-Tablet-Computer/dp/B0055D67HW

This is the cheapest you will find it for. Its 279 plus 5 dollars shipping and no tax. Amazon and everywhere else will charge you tax.

holy crap who's stealing my pictures? remembered i had this years ago on myspace

theguruguys wrote:I used to run the old PALMos stuff too, and I thought about going to the PalmPre instead of an Android awhile back. I learned there were various emulation software that would effectively run on the PalmPre, I'd guess it would run Strategic Commander that way.

The problem runs deeper. Defunct Zindaware used a weird registration system where the PDA's ID# is tied into the software. In other words, you can't move the software to another PDA. Each installation requires another registration. Since Zindaware disappeared years ago, there is no way to get a new registration code. I've even periodically tried to contact Eric Zinda without success...

spacemart wrote:holy crap who's stealing my pictures? remembered i had this years ago on myspace

What's myspace?

Davidsturdy wrote:If you are going to throw specs around, lets make sure you know what you are talking about... Asus Transformer yields a dual core 2.1 Ghz processor, whereas the HP Touchsuck only has a 1.2. Let's poll the audience on this one so you are well informed, and the public rules 2.1 is greater!!!!!! (What do we have for him Johnny?)

[... dozens of mentions of HDMI later ...]

Get your facts straight before you boast it as the best tablet.

I like the part where he repeatedly said the Transformer had 2.1GHz and then finished with "get your facts straight," LULZ!

Love my TouchPad 32gb and this unit is coming in at a great price!

Dedicated OS level Multitasking (truly run multiple apps at the same time), full threaded Web Browsing with Flash (Hulu, HBOtoGo, YouTube, CBS, Fox News, and the list goes on), native Kindle and Facebook app like no other, and Data Synergy to automate and combine all data.

Why would anyone buy a Kindle reader when this offers so much more! Sorli...

For those trying to decide between the Asus Eee Pad Transformer and the HP TouchPad, let me say this:

The TouchPad's biggest strength is its lack of ports. There's no full-sized USB and no HDMI. The Transformer has mini-HDMI and a full sized USB port (on the keyboard attachment) which will work wonders if you love your USB accessories.

As a bonus, you're also getting the detectable keyboard with built-in mouse, which is pretty darn cool.

Of course, price always factors into these things, and the difference in OS is quite important.

Wow, I'm waaaayyyy late!!!

Here's a video review.

Pretty sweet... but personally I'd get the Viewsonic (for less $). In the tablet OS wars, I can't imagine WebOS doing better than a distant 3rd behind iOS and Android, regardless of its technical merits. Fewer apps, because developers will go after the larger markets.

But... perhaps it can be dual-booted to run Android? That would be interesting...

jhsuasdf wrote:The Transformer (and almost every other Tegra 2 device) runs a 1.0 GHz
Where in the world did you get 2.1 GHz?

According to reports, the Asus Tranformer runs on an "NVIDIA Tegra 2.1.0GHz dual core CPU."

I think it's a typo that went viral. Instead of stating "Tegra 2 1.0Ghz," many reports put a period between the "2" and "1.0" making it look like "2.1"

In other words, it should be "Tegra 2" and "1.0Ghz" with no connection between the two.

http://gadgetmania.com/2011/04/asus-eee-pad-transformer-coming-to-us-markets-on-april-26/

uhoerhold wrote:Yes, it will. What's HP's record in developing and maintaining an OS? Nil. HP will be reluctant to put any more money into webOS than is absolutely necessary.

Apple will always produce the easiest to use and best thought-out OS's. They have been doing it for decades, and they have an enormous following.

Android, on the other hand, has a huge amount of community contribution. It's not well-organized, but the community will keep it alive.

webOS will stay around only as long as it makes sense for HP to put money into it.

Agreed, remember the HP MIE Netbook? Complete fail.

As for Apple the reason its so damn popular its simplistically stupid (in a good way). And enforced standardization which simplifies familiarization with every new version. And finally the amount of resources and time in creating a design that makes it a fashion accessory. Lastly, the business sense getting exclusivity with component manufacturers to have the latest and greatest hardware to monopolize price.

Still it has its issues. Overpriced, yes due to reason above and apps. Closed source and a remote kill/app removal switch. Meager feature upgrades and improvements in order to bilk the masses again and again.

Webos looks like another HP Dodo. The recent price drops (yes this is the second one) show this is a fail. Devs are not wasting their time. No software = Failed Harware.

Everyone forgot about the Cius from Cisco.
I wont go into detail > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps11156/index.html Being marketed exclusively for Enterprise, another device to go next to the FLIP video pile. Especially when the everyone wants to add their Ipads to the exchange environment.

Benz145 wrote:For those trying to decide between the Asus Eee Pad Transformer and the HP TouchPad, let me say this:

The TouchPad's biggest strength is its lack of ports. There's no full-sized USB and no HDMI. The Transformer has mini-HDMI and a full sized USB port (on the keyboard attachment) which will work wonders if you love your USB accessories.

As a bonus, you're also getting the detectable keyboard with built-in mouse, which is pretty darn cool.

Of course, price always factors into these things, and the difference in OS is quite important.

I'm confused. Why is the TouchPad's lack of ports considered a strength?

LAMEPad

Never mind. My points were invalidated and/or answered while I was typing.

-- Ed

WebOS is THE best mobile software, period. I currently own several Android, ios, blackberry, and WebOS products and I can tell you that WebOS is the best of the bunch. The multitasking is seamless, just type is absolutely amazing and synergy ties everything together so well you don't even miss it till you switch to a device without it. For every CELL PHONE I purchase now and in the immediate future, I will be buying a WebOS phone.

That being said, my current TABLET of choice is the Motorola Xoom. The MicroSD support and the HDMI were the kicker, and it has now replaced my laptop as my normal business computer. If the next iteration of the Touchpad includes these two features, I will be the first in line to get one.

vicmacs wrote:LAMEPad

LAMEPost

-- Ed

scottyanimal wrote:OK so, My decision is basically this or the Asus Transformer.

Has anyone tried them both? Pros? Cons?

Any insight is appreciated!

Thank you.

Transformer, hands down.

Or wait for the quad core Tab>

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/02/asus-next-gen-eee-pad-transformer-to-pack-nvidias-quad-core-ka/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

I have an iPad, iPad2 and Touchpad. My preference is for Touchpad because it does a cool background sync with your phone. You can SMS from Touchpad, and make phone calls (either through Skype or through BT with phone) using a native phone app that carries the call log etc. of phone. The SMS and phone sync is the best part about it. webOS is really powerful.
That said, the iPad 2 is slick on hardware. The Touchpad lacks the physical attributes for sure (including screen resolution).
I use Touchpad everyday. I had stopped using iPad except for Netflix....

KUdude wrote:This is the cheapest you will find it for. Its 279 plus 5 dollars shipping and no tax. Amazon and everywhere else will charge you tax.

Just to make sure there's no confusion:

1. $279?
2. When I meant "cheapest", I meant cheapest of the listed prices on Amazon (if you look to the right on the Amazon product page, it lists the usual competitor's prices, but they looked more expensive). This did not mean to imply cheapest price available anywhere.
3. Thanks to everyone contributing on the tablet. I don't have even 1/2 of the knowledge that a lot of you are showing (experience and otherwise), so while I'm here on woot furlough, I'm contributing as I can to help (although woncooleone and theguruguys seem to be taking up some of Nightghost's old slack).

Do these thing really not work above 5000 foot elevation?

sdc100 wrote:The problem runs deeper. Defunct Zindaware used a weird registration system where the PDA's ID# is tied into the software. In other words, you can't move the software to another PDA. Each installation requires another registration. Since Zindaware disappeared years ago, there is no way to get a new registration code. I've even periodically tried to contact Eric Zinda without success...

I'm sure there is a cracked version floating around. If you already legally own it, nothing morally wrong there IMO.

These tablets are awesome... I have the 32GB one. The latest FW update is now available and fixes some initial issues, and the homebrew pathes will let you run it at 1.7GHz and do other cool things... and it really flies. Sure the app catalog is a little sparse, but it is growing. The multi-tasking, email and calendaring are awesome. The browser supports and runs Flash no problem and eliminates the need for many apps. Great HP built Facebook app included also...

I have the Touchpad, Xoom, Playbook and iPad's 1 & 2, and this is definitely my favorite.

And it will only get better...

matt1976 wrote:Do these thing really not work above 5000 foot elevation?

That's just what the basic testing requirements are. It will work in elevations greater that 5000 feet, HP is just covering their bases by throwing that number on there.

Benz145 wrote:Shortly after the WiFi-only TouchPad was released (the same one for sale on Woot today), HP announced the TouchPad 4G for use on AT&T's cellular network (full disclosure, the following link is a site I work for):

http://www.carrypad.com/2011/07/12/hp-touchpad-4g-coming-with-faster-processordont-say-i-didnt-warn-you/

This '4G' version of the HP TouchPad has the same dual-core Snapdragon APQ8060 CPU but it's been clocked to 1.5GHz instead of 1.2GHz as in the WiFi-only version. HP hasn't said officially whether or not they'd bring this slight speed bump to the WiFi-only devices or not (it could conceivably be done through a software update).

Just something to be aware of before making your purchase decision.

I also wrote this article looking at the strengths and weaknesses of the TouchPad before launch, which may give you good context for the device and its contemporaries.

http://www.carrypad.com/2011/06/14/strengths-and-weaknessesa-look-at-hps-touchpad/

Mine's running at 1.7GHz know... and there a re a few that are running at 2.0GHz...

phacopida wrote:Unless you live in Washington state, in which case you WILL be paying taxes with Woot anyway. Thanks Amazon.

Unless you live in Ohio where it will be $1,892.45 cheaper. I may be rounding.
Thanks Woot!

jhsuasdf wrote:The Transformer (and almost every other Tegra 2 device) runs a 1.0 GHz
Where in the world did you get 2.1 GHz?

He was too busy winning the Internet to bother with details.

Darksoul13 wrote:Transformer, hands down.

Or wait for the quad core Tab>

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/02/asus-next-gen-eee-pad-transformer-to-pack-nvidias-quad-core-ka/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

I returned my transformer after 10 days. You want to talk about buggy. Hrdware, software, that device was flat out awful.

matt1976 wrote:Do these thing really not work above 5000 foot elevation?

well, mine worked at 30,000 ft in the 737 I was in last week... did HP really say this?

Davidsturdy wrote:You are freaking OMGOMGOMGPONIESOMG PONIES! buddy. I work with all tablets, and the HP while it is a great tablet, definitely does not outperform any market tablet right now. Lets talk basics for a minute. If you are going to throw specs around, lets make sure you know what you are talking about... Asus Transformer yields a dual core 2.1 Ghz processor...
Get your facts straight before you boast it as the best tablet.

Asus transformer comes with a 1 Ghz. procesor:
Specifications Asus Eee Pad Transformer
Processor 1GHz Nvidia Tegra 2 dual-core Cortex A9 processor
Memory 1GB
Storage 16GB
Graphics Nvidia Tegra 2
Operating system Android 3.0
Dimensions (W x D) 271 x 171mm
Height 13mm
Screen size (diagonal) 10.1-inch (1,280 x 800-pixel) touchscreen
System weight 680g

prdamrican wrote:well, mine worked at 30,000 ft in the 737 I was in last week... did HP really say this?

That's a pressurized cabin and is therefore irrelevant. Still I have no idea why they'd say 5000' That would mean you can't even use it in Denver, which I know from experience is incorrect. It would almost certainly be just fine at 12000' as long as it's not much below freezing.

worldofjohnboy wrote:Almost forgot to mention: The TouchPad and iPad devices use mostly just "Icon" based screens/apps whereas the Androids have Widgets. I love my widgets!

Not true. webOS uses cards that allow you to have multiple apps running at the same time, some of the apps work like widgets. If anything Android has the Icon overload.

chillipalmer wrote:So many people knocking it because it isn't iOs or Android.
[...]
The only and seriously I mean the only thing I don't like about it is the limited app selection. Mind you Kindle is there, along with USA today, etc.

Virtually no one is "knocking it because it isn't iOs or Android." You need to take it one step further. As you yourself point out, the reason we knock its use of WebOS is due to the lack of apps. An OS is only as useful as the apps available for it. And right now, WebOS isn't very useful.

As for Kindle and USA Today, few people are going to spend $400 for an eReader.

scottyanimal wrote:OK so, My decision is basically this or the Asus Transformer.

Has anyone tried them both? Pros? Cons?

Any insight is appreciated!

Thank you.

I own both.

Transformer pros:
Widescreen aspect ratio is better for movies
If you like Android, this tablet is running that. Asus has been very good about updating the tablet in a timely fashion.
Optional keyboard dock works really well and gives you an additional 6 hours or so of battery life. With the dock, the combination is about the size of a small netbook (~3 lbs.)
MicroSD slot on the tablet itself, plus a mini HDMI port. Keyboard dock also has two USB ports plus a standard sized SD card slot. Generally plugging things in just works (mice, keyboards, USB storage...)

Transformer cons:
Many keyboard docks have a hardware bug that drains the battery in sleep mode. I'm going to have to send mine in tomorrow...
The worst speakers built in that you can imagine. Seriously it's like listening to the earpiece on your phone. Even the speakerphone in your cellphone probably sounds better.
The browser, although faster than the Touchpad, crashes constantly and without warning. Restarting the browser does not restore the state you were in, either. There is also significant lag when you are typing in the browser...
The default virtual keyboard is TERRIBLE. This is not a big problem if you spring for the $150 keyboard dock, though (plus you can replace the software keyboard with one from the Market)
Stupid proprietary charging/sync cable. You can't even buy a spare one from Asus yet last I checked! If you lose or break it, your tablet is a paperweight...it's also like 3 feet long, making it hard to use while you are charging it (note, you need a USB 3.0 extension cable to fix this yourself)

Touchpad pros:
The best multitasking/task switching interface, hands down.
Very good built in speakers. Will not melt your face off but music sounds like music...about as good as a good set of speakers built into a laptop.
Just type means that you can do just about anything faster. Want to search Google? Just type in the search bar and press enter. Type a url and it will automatically open the web browser for you. You can even update Facebook and Twitter from the just type bar.
HP supports the folks hacking their tablets - there is a good sized community working on tweaks for both tablets, but it's a lot harder to hack the Transformer. (I'm overclocking both - the Transformer to 1.6ghz and the Touchpad to 1.7ghz)
The Touchpad virtual keyboard is quite good - resizable and with a row of number keys. The auto correction is much improved in the new update, too.
Synergy does a good job of unifying all your accounts (for example, the photo app knows about your Facebook and Photobucket albums, the address book grabs contacts from all your accounts, etc.)
The optional Touchstone charger is awesome. Seriously the wireless charging is super convenient (but the dock is an extra $70-80)
A native Facebook app that is really nice...I think of all the other tablets, only the Playbook has a tablet Facebook app. Even the Android phone Facebook app has been hidden for folks on Honeycomb, so on the Transformer you have to use the browser.

Touchpad cons:
Battery life is not as good as the Transformer (8 hrs vs 10 hours for a Transformer with no dock)
A lot fewer apps when you add in the phone apps on each platform. WebOS phone apps run in a small phone sized window, portrait mode only, too. Missing some key apps too (Netflix?)
Browser seems slightly slower and less compatible than the Honeycomb browser, but also seems more stable.

It kinda depends on your needs. I use my tablet for surfing the web mostly, and to be honest I greatly prefer the Touchpad (I am typing this up on mine right now), and I rarely end up using the Transformer...the Touchpad is just much more usable (especially if you were not planning to buy the keyboard dock for the Transformer)

sorli wrote:Love my TouchPad 32gb and this unit is coming in at a great price!

Dedicated OS level Multitasking (truly run multiple apps at the same time), full threaded Web Browsing with Flash (Hulu, HBOtoGo, YouTube, CBS, Fox News, and the list goes on), native Kindle and Facebook app like no other, and Data Synergy to automate and combine all data.

Why would anyone buy a Kindle reader when this offers so much more! Sorli...

This guy has some great points. Anyone mention "Touch to Share" yet? Definitely a feature no other Tablet has.

Here is a basic overview and presentation of the Touchpad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_bE8TzgQOc

[quote postid="4579898" user="Davidsturdy"]You are freaking OMGOMGOMGPONIESOMG PONIES! buddy. I work with all tablets, and the HP while it is a great tablet, definitely does not outperform any market tablet right now. Lets talk basics for a minute.

Uhm... lets talk basics... FLASH yeah, got it and GOT IT in spades. I have a G Tab (lied about having FLASH, upgraded, hacked, upgraded again, cross-graded, still no real useable FLASH.) I'm sorry, the world uses FLASH. I have a Pre 1, I have a TouchPad. Touchpad does Flash, and not just gimmicky simple stuff but hardcore flash apps. That's a bar, and HP has made the cut. Been on WebOS since Day One, used iOS & used Android. IOS has some great apps and Apple knows UIX, no doubt. I'd never trade my TouchPad for Android though. Google just doesn't have their stuff together and I don't feel like they ever will.

WebOS on PC will change the world.

ArgyleDX wrote:(Mod note: CRIT HIT, WALL O'TEXT)

Holy crap. Thanks!

I am going to be using it mostly for business so I can get rid of all the papers I carry etc... and have easy access to office functions on the go. I do outside sales. (not door to door so dont get mad at me.)

Apps, I am not really worried about that. I don't use much on my phone or otherwise.

Davidsturdy wrote:You are freaking OMGOMGOMGPONIESOMG PONIES! buddy. I work with all tablets, and the HP while it is a great tablet, definitely does not outperform any market tablet right now. Lets talk basics for a minute. If you are going to throw specs around, lets make sure you know what you are talking about... Asus Transformer yields a dual core 2.1 Ghz processor, whereas the HP Touchsuck only has a 1.2. Let's poll the audience on this one so you are well informed, and the public rules 2.1 is greater!!!!!! (What do we have for him Johnny?)
Next, who gives a crap about gorilla glass? That is why they make Invisishields and things like that... Also, I will have you know that gorilla glass is most definitely not scratch proof.
Thirdly, lets talk about the compatibility of the Touchpad.
1. Does it have an HDMI port? (NO)
2. Does it have a USB port other than the charging cable? (NO)
3. Does it have capability to support SD Cards? (NO)
What it does have is a mediocre webcam, and an audio jack! Such a commodity on tablets, that you can get it on any tablet on the market.

Lets look at the competition...
1.Ipad, it can adapt an HDMI cable!
2. Ipad, it adds a camera adapter!
3. Ipad has a much more stable market and app side
4. Wireless Keyboard for the Ipad!

Asus Transformer
1. Has 2 HDMI ports, 1 USB port (plus the usb cable port), Micro SD slot, and it doubles as a netbook with the keyboard plugged in.
2. 5 megapixel camera on the front, which is nothing special, but definitely destroys the cell phone quality camera in the HP
3. Oh, did I mention HDMI!?!?!?!

Get your facts straight before you boast it as the best tablet.

Relax buddy. I happen to work in the consumer electronic industry as well, almost exclusively with tablets and computers.

I never once said it was the best tablet on the market, so stop beating your chest and making false statements. I said it was the smoothest tablet out and the easiest to multitask on.

No Android or Blackberry tablet is as smooth for scrolling and response time. I said iPad was on the same level. Touchpad and iPad have no lag, blur, or any delay when working through the OS. A tablet is after all supposed to be seamless and an extension of the user. That is what makes it unique from a laptop or netbook.

It is far and away the easiest to use. Its Just Type function is much better integrated and comprehensive than searching the iPad or google searching on an Android tablet. The stacking and card features make it the easiest to multitask on by far.

Ghz. as said it can be overclocked extremely easily to be faster than or close to all other tablets. I don't want an invisishield. I sell them, install them, and rip them off my devices. Some people like them, I don't. They are difficult to use for the average customer and make the screen surface much less smooth and harder to interact with. Bottom line is TouchPad comes with a top notch and durable display.

Does it have a crappy camera to take pictures with? Nope. Do most people hold a huge 10 inch tablet up to take pictures with all the time? Get real if you think that is an important feature. The first thing most customers say when that is described as a lack of a feature, is "So what?" Most people owning a tablet have a decent smartphone with a decent quality camera that they have on them at all times.

Yes you did mention HDMI. About 43 times. It would have been nice. Know how many times I've used HDMI on my Evo? Enough to count on one hand. Thats why people have Media PCs, Blu Ray players, Google TV. What content do you only get on a tablet that you must hook up to an HD TV that wouldn't look better from some other source? It's convenient but like the camera certainly not necessary.

The fact that you work with tablets and seem to emphasize physical storage with tablets is laughable. Tablets are all about Cloud storage. They are mobile devices and cloud storage lets you access it anywhere. BTW, the horrible TouchPad also gives you Box app right out of the box (no pun intended). 50GB of extremely customizable, sortable and easy to use storage that can be accessed and used across a variety of platforms. Mr. Electronics, ever heard of Pogoplug, cloud storage, or NAS? Thats where its at for tables.

You seem to want to emphasize small features that aren't all that important so how about the Touchstone wireless charging dock for TouchPad that can charge it wirelessly through 2 layers of case? Pretty cool huh. Vertical or Horizontal. On or off.

What makes it unique is its OS. The most important feature. Apps will make or break it. Is it the best tablet? Thats up to the public to decide. I certainly didn't say that. But I love mine. I've had it a few weeks before the it was even on sale to the public.

But for someone who works with all tablets, to call people OMGOMGOMGPONIESOMG PONIES!s and use Touchsuck? How professional and unbiased you sound.