WebOS is great, but it will never capture any more than a single-digit market share. I bought the first Palm Pre on launch day, loved the OS, hated the hardware (it literally fell apart in my hands in less than a year). Because the hardware was so shoddy, WebOS never stood a chance from the start. They are still releasing it on chintzy, tiny phones -- it's almost like they've given up on making it a viable alternative phone OS.

It's very likely that, even though WebOS is even more niche than Honeycomb right now, you will find all the apps you'll ever need for it. I just would never buy one, I am happy with my Transformer and the progress of the Android OS.

rangerover411 wrote:Funny Google loves to talk about "activations" but not net sales. Maybe the 40% return rate has something to do with that. So sure ... have at it Android.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/26/androids-dirty-secret-shipping-numbers-are-strong-but-returns-are-30-40/

That article has been shot so full of holes, it whistles when it walks. If Android phones had a 40% return rate, no one would be making Android phones in 2011. Completely bogus article with a laughable "guy who knows about these things" source.

Davidsturdy wrote:You are freaking OMGOMGOMGPONIESOMG PONIES! buddy. I work with all tablets, and the HP while it is a great tablet, definitely does not outperform any market tablet right now. Lets talk basics for a minute. If you are going to throw specs around, lets make sure you know what you are talking about... Asus Transformer yields a dual core 2.1 Ghz processor, whereas the HP Touchsuck only has a 1.2. Let's poll the audience on this one so you are well informed, and the public rules 2.1 is greater!!!!!! (...........

Get your facts straight before you boast it as the best tablet.

Dude, I see you're all about the Transformer, but you need to get YOUR facts straight - it has a 1.2GHz dual core NVidia Tegra that can be stably overclocked to 1.4, the Touchpad has a dual core 1.2GHz Qualcomm processor that can be stably overclocked to 1.7 (some reports of 1.9). They have the same system bus speed, same amount of RAM/ROM and graphics co-processors, and atleast in these crucial hardware areas, totally rule over the iPADs Snapdragon adapted A series processor.

Hawk0900 wrote:It does have micro SD support for about a month now. If your going to review something you should know what your saying

I did SPECIFICALLY state this, but I have the 4G Verizon Xoom tablet, which (as of two weeks ago before I Rooted it) is back on 3.1 without SD Card support.

My bigger problem with the Xoom is that it was released without SD Card support and there were several other incomplete features that will eventually work. (for example, 4G/LTE connectivity requires a SIM card purchase when 3.2 comes to the VZW version.) Motorola clearly rushed the release.

A prelude to a CLOSEOUT SALE...

SelfGovern wrote:Air at higher altitudes is thinner. Therefore there are fewer atoms of air to bounce against the hot surfaces inside your computer. Therefore the processor and disk retain more heat than they would at sea level, and are at greater risk of burning up.

Yes, however the air is cooler with higher altitude by an average of about 3.6° F per 1,000 ft.

So the thinner air at 5,000' is also 18° cooler (on average, typically, in the absence of a temperature inversion, etc.).

Gee, I wish a computer engineer would come along and set this straight! :-) I've seen altitude limits on hardware before and never known who to ask about them.

Maybe the magnetic field strength isn't high enough at altitude for the compass to work!

-- Ed

steffej3 wrote:Yeah, drag and drop via USB for any file. If you do bite on one though, spring for the KalemSoft media player app & stream most of your video content (so long as you are on wifi or tethered to wifi). It will save you time & space. ;)

Alright, thanks for the info, ya sold me on it!

Not really a deal at all. The Woot price of $379.99 is actually $5 higher than the HP "two day only sale" price that was in my inbox this morning. Bad Woot!, Bad Woot!!

sdfreedive wrote:What's the deal with WebOS? Is this going to be abandonware soon?

Does this suport windows explorer

j5 wrote:I just picked up a brand new first Gen 32GB iPad +3G for this price from Sam's club. Should I take it back and get this? Should I spring an extra $100 for the 64GB +3G version? Should I buy an Asus?

Thanks.

You should get all three. (Your choice as to 32/64 GB.) That way you can see for yourself that they all do pretty much the same thing.

Unless you have a compelling reason for one operating system over another. Like, you're heavily into iPhones and iPods. In which case you keep the iPad.

-- Ed

Which Asus were you thinking of? I'm typing on my Eee Slate EP121. Fun!

maduro24 wrote:16 or 32? Will you really use 32?

Agreed. 0.00064 is more than anyone should ever need.

I have had a Palm PRE (the original) phone for over 2 years running WebOS. This OS is awesome - it runs Linux and is open source - so there is strong community and availability of "home brew" applications and patches. This basically means that you can find patches to the os that do pretty much everything - from overclocking the CPU to changing the way your brightness works to adding new menu items.

It is a bit geekier than most of operating systems - since it requires some technical knowledge to take advantage of the patches, etc. BUT overall it is a great device even if you are not a geek.

I am SHOCKED this is on woot - but I think this is HP's way to get this device out there - and woot is probably the right target market.

I just bought one and am really excited! Rock on HP and Woot!

pwoggy wrote:Does this suport windows explorer

Windows Explorer is the file manager for Windows operating systems (which this tablet doesn't have). Is that what you mean to be asking about?

-- Ed

I can't believe this thing is already on Woot, in a couple of weeks I should be able to buy it at Big Lots! for $99

WebOS, or HUEVOS as I like to call it, it's the best multitask OS out there. I have three phones, Android , RIM and WebOS. WebOS really works well on the multitasking, but I find that it has very limited amount of apps.

I would buy one of these, but I am saving my pennies to buy either the Asus slide tab, or the Amazon tab (which is supposed to have a great screen, but no FFC)

I think it's a good unit, but I doubt this will go anywhere. At least the RIM Playbook will support Android Apps, so at least you have more of an option, with this one, not so much

filpenny wrote:Alright, thanks for the info, ya sold me on it!

I use mp4 format & stream most. The KalemSoft app allows additional formats that aren't native in TouchPad support. You load a desktop client & login through your TouchPad. Boom, you've got your whole library ready to go. It's fantastic, & a lot easier & seemingly more secure & efficient than setting up your own web server (you are streaming from your own direct source, not passing through anyone like xampp/ampache).

radi0j0hn wrote:RE the iPad2: I don't miss Flash and use some other browser from the app store. Many apps are 99 cents, and if you get one of the apps (such as "freebies,") that tracks ones that are temporarily free, you can get a lot of stuff for free that normally costs 99 cent to ten dollars.

Apps make the unit, not the other way around. if HP doesn't have a good system for developers to get their apps out, owners may not have a lot to play with. If you are spending 300 hours or more developing an app, which market would you choose to make money? Apple.

Again, there are a billion people out there that do miss flash and also hate the fact that the native browser truncates long web pages.

Most of the non-free Apps that I have seen on both the iPad and Android, Android is always cheaper. Also, there are a lot of apps that I use that are free on Android and cost at least $1 (most times more) on iTunes.

Finally, I don't want my App Store/Market censored. Apple censors their iTunes app store and will deny publishing certain apps if they feel it is inappropriate. Thanks, but I will determine what I want and don't want on my device.

timhennessy wrote:The SD card support for the xoom was enabled in the last update.

See previous updates... that update was for WiFi only Xooms, I have a 3G Verizon. I had to root to get SD Card to work.

uhoerhold wrote:What's HP's record in developing and maintaining an OS? Nil.

dshoener wrote:One word: HPUX

Been around since 84, and still used in almost all large customers I visit for repairs.

cwfullerton21043 wrote:Sure and you need a college degree just to understand it! This is supposed to be for every joe schmoe..

No, the point isn't about putting HP's UN*X on a consumer device. (That's what the derivatives are for: Android, iOS, Linux, MeeGo, OS X, webOS!)

The assertion was made that HP had no record of developing and maintaining an operating system, therefore it wasn't likely to do so with webOS.

The counterclaim is that HP has developed and maintained its own version of UN*X for 27 years and could probably do so with webOS.

-- Ed

worldofjohnboy wrote:Finally, I don't want my App Store/Market censored.

Of course, you can root ... excuse me ... jailbreak ;-) your iPad and use online stores other than Apple's.

-- Ed

For those of you with HP EPP accounts, the 16gb Touchpad is $375 today through Sunday.... $458 for the 32gb. Just sayin.

ivanivanovich wrote:You should get all three. (Your choice as to 32/64 GB.) That way you can see for yourself that they all do pretty much the same thing.

Unless you have a compelling reason for one operating system over another. Like, you're heavily into iPhones and iPods. In which case you keep the iPad.

-- Ed

Which Asus were you thinking of? I'm typing on my Eee Slate EP121. Fun!

I don't care about OS, I care about 3rd party support (Apps, cases, apps, adapters, keyboards, apps, etc.) That's what is killing me with the WebOS, lack of options.

I was considering that Transformer thing. I'll be replacing my Aspire One.

I dunno, but I just don't understand why you wouldn't spent just a little bit more and get an iPad. I guess something like this would be good if all you want to do is browse the web, but if you would like to do ANYTHING else like Games, video chat, etc, an iPad is the way to go.

kirkhilles wrote:I dunno, but I just don't understand why you wouldn't spent just a little bit more and get an iPad. I guess something like this would be good if all you want to do is browse the web, but if you would like to do ANYTHING else like Games, video chat, etc, an iPad is the way to go.

Meh, I rely on my widgets so much that turning on my tablet and seeing rows of application icons would make me cry. I'll stick with Android, though I do wish it had the apps that iOS has (even though it has plenty, there is definitely a quality and quantity gap there).

tomquincy wrote:Umm no.. This already includes the $100 discount + $20. Touchpad is $499 normally. This is a brilliant move by woot and amazon because they know they won't sell any if they leave it at $499 on their site. The price is better or as good as HP offers to non-students, giving woot the competitive edge and limelight, especially since the HP site doesn't appear to be giving the correct discount

Not sure why you would go to HP's site. Maybe the deal wasn't live when you posted, but Amazon has this for $399.99 through the 7th (or supplies, etc.). 32gb for $498.00.

You'll probably get it quicker if you're a Prime member than from woot. I love woot, but $15 isn't much of a discount.

kirkhilles wrote:I dunno, but I just don't understand why you (would) spen(d)... more and get an iPad. I guess something like (that) would be good if all you want to do is browse the web, but if you would like to do ANYTHING else like (flash) Games... (community developed apps)... etc, (a) TouchPad is the way to go.

Edited quote for correctness ;^)

kirkhilles wrote:I dunno, but I just don't understand why you wouldn't spent just a little bit more and get an iPad. I guess something like this would be good if all you want to do is browse the web, but if you would like to do ANYTHING else like Games, video chat, etc, an iPad is the way to go.

I hate hate hate apple products, and refuse to give them my money.

ivanivanovich wrote:If you leave it set to Touchpad for Home and hit Buy from HP, you'll see both $399.99 and $449.99 and get the higher price in the cart. (Or, at least I did.)

If you click it over to TouchPad for Business, you should get it for $399.00. Ooh, 99 cents cheaper! :-)

-- Ed

can't use the SAVE30HP w/the business option... the HP website is a pain..

mrln wrote:Not sure why you would go to HP's site. Maybe the deal wasn't live when you posted, but Amazon has this for $399.99 through the 7th (or supplies, etc.). 32gb for $498.00.

You'll probably get it quicker if you're a Prime member than from woot. I love woot, but $15 isn't much of a discount.

If the extra $30 off coupon and fatwallet back back works at HP's site then their direct price is lower than Amazon's, but of course they add in state sales tax since HP has a presence pretty much everywhere so it might be a wash. Looks like they offer free one day shipping though.

Edit: Looks like either SAVE30HP or FATWALLET30 actually would work via HPs home and home office site, which already lists a $100 instant rebate, and it should qualify for 3.6% fw cashback, so perhaps around $357 or so, plus tax.

If your a long time Palm fan webOs shouldn't be new. HP just picked up the best of Palm with their acquisition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS

So does this support Java? Can you do facebook apps and such?

Also don't forget you get a free 50gb Box.net account when you purchase a WebOS Tablet:

https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.box.webos

orcusb wrote:So does this support Java? Can you do facebook apps and such?

Flash yes, actual Java no. Most Facebook games are Flash and should work, but may be a little sluggish since Flash can be very CPU intensive, and you also can't easily "hover" over something since there's no mouse pointer.

kirkhilles wrote:I dunno, but I just don't understand why you wouldn't spent just a little bit more and get an iPad. I guess something like this would be good if all you want to do is browse the web, but if you would like to do ANYTHING else like Games, video chat, etc, an iPad is the way to go.

The important thing is you have a tablet that works for you. You are happier and more serene than most of the rest of us ... even those of us with a number of tablets running more than a couple of operating systems! :-)

-- Ed

webOS is great, i prefer my Touchpad over my iPad2. Latest homebrew makes the unit even faster.

deishler wrote:If your a long time Palm fan webOs shouldn't be new. HP just picked up the best of Palm with their acquisition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS

If you're a really long-time Palm fan, then you started with Palm OS, which is not what turned into webOS.

-- Ed

worldofjohnboy wrote:I have used every tablet known to man (perks of my job). Here's my take on the tablets:

-iPad 2: Nice design and weight but poor browser, no flash capabilities, and most expensive total cost of ownership (with the iTunes video/music/apps being so expensive). It's going to have the most accessories out there since it is Apple though.

-HP TouchPad: Again, nice simple design, almost a complete rip-off of the iPad 2. Advantages over the iPad: Does a great job with web pages and plays flash videos. Cons would mainly be that the HP market is relatively small compared to Android and iTunes, but that is to be expected. Also, it only has one camera on it (forward facing) and it isn't that spectacular.

-Motorola Xoom: Design is somewhat quirky... power button on the back is just strange and it doesn't charge via Micro USB cable like every other Android device. As for the OS, Honeycomb is ridiculously smooth. The Market is very strong and much cheaper than iTunes, many of the good apps are free or only a couple of bucks. Great cameras on both front and back, and better resolution than the HP or iPad, though the display is a bit dim. The fact that it currently doesn't support the Micro SD card and doesn't come "stock" with 4G LTE almost gives you the feeling that they rushed the release of this tablet, though it has some potential in the future.

-Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1": This is my favorite of the bunch... combines the great design and weight of the iPad/HP, but runs the (IMO) far superior Android Honeycomb. Screen is brighter than the Xoom with the same resolution.

Have you played with the new Toshiba Tablet? That one has peaked my interest, though I'm not sure why they went mini USB and not micro.

HP just sent an announcement early this morning that their knocking $100 off the price this weekend. According to my calculations, that puts it cheaper than the woot price... Here's a Yahoo news article on it: http://news.yahoo.com/hp-touchpad-100-off-weekend-380-woot-150905392.html

kmartind wrote:Edit: Looks like either SAVE30HP or FATWALLET30 actually would work via HPs home and home office site, which already lists a $100 instant rebate....

I can not get the stupid Home & Home Office page to actually cough up the $100 discount even though it promises that it will.

Do you have a link that's working?

-- Ed

ariel234 wrote:I bought one of these on launch day, kept crashing and didn't know if HP would actually release and OS update or not so ended up returning it.

WebOS is absolutely AMAZING. I may end up buying one of these eventually, but I'm going to wait for the price to go down more. I would go with WebOS before android, but then I have a totally underpowered android phone that crashes all the time and is impossible to even make calls on.

Wait for the price to go down MORE? More than 130 off? It's a tablet for $380...nuff said. They don't come a whole lot cheaper.

We have 2 of the 32GB Touchpads. My wife is watching Iron Man 2 on hers right now. Many of the bugs from the release version (which is what all the reviewers got) have been addressed in the 3.0.2 update. The updates download in the background when connected to WiFi, so you don't have to hook it up to a computer. Battery life is solid with many folks reporting 7-8 hour use in the webosroundup and precentral.net forums, but I have never gotten it to less than 20% battery with a day's use. Flash in the browser is good and if you want to use a tablet for work (I do), you might need it. Good stuff all around.