ivanivanovich wrote:This here HP web page don't say nuthin' about it onliest bein' in stores.

This 'un here don't neither. But it gives yuh the hunnert bux off. The other'n don't.

I knows I'se stoopid but I ain't illitirit.

-- Mister Ed

Whelp, this here additional hunnert bux off coopon surely do.


Hyuk.

alysseumwarrior wrote:Great UI design, WebOS’s excellent card-based switching interface, the solid hardware, the shortcomings, what seems unfinished, WebOS’s seemingly endemic lagginess, and the miserable performance of Flash Player.

REVIEW: http://www.macworld.com/article/160858/2011/06/hp_touchpad_first_look.html

And one would take the word of a Mac site re this because...?

buffaloed wrote:I agree about the apps, but unfortunately the Touchpad browser needs a lot work. There's a huge list of sites it has problems either loading or rendering.
http://forums.palm.com/t5/HP-TouchPad-Software-Hardware/A-list-of-websites-the-TouchPad-Browser-can-t-handle-correctly/td-p/344432. That's really the one thing I hate about it. I'm confident it will be fixed and/or other browsers will be ported eventually as HP will be including WebOS on all their computers but it can be frustrating.

Most of those sites work since the update on Monday. That list is obsolete.

I already own the 32GB and am looking forward to adding a 16GB to the mix; I'm pretty sure it's the only way I can keep the children of the house away from *my* machine...until they inherit it when I pick up my CDMA unit down the road.

After a month: Apps are indeed less numerous (for now) than they are for Android, but then again I'm not chugging down the malware either, so that's nice. The recent 3.0.2 update was strong and brought performance and various other behaviors (editing excepted) into line with what I'd hope to get out of the box. The multitasking is tremendous; I've been doing a lot of research lately, and being able to swap cards smoothly among browser windows and my reading material (a lot of PDFs) and email (and, um, Facebook, don't judge me) is just...how did I do projects without this thing? Anyone? Anyone?

In fact, if there's anything that still annoys me, it's the lack of removable-media support. The audio on this thing is terrific, and I find myself dropping alot of music on the TouchPad so I have it to listen to while I work (thanks box.net!), but it would be *so* much simpler to simply throw a few mixes on SD / microSD cards and swap at will. A high-class problem to have on a perfectly wonderful device.

We're in for one... another, that is. My GF bought the 32gb when it came out, and loves it. She just wooted another one -- partly for the kids, and partly for experimenting with all the homebrew geekery.

On the plus side, the hardware is top-notch, with build quality as good or better than the iPad2. WebOS is truly inspired & makes iOS and Honeycomb look a little crusty. (A game of leapfrog, I know, but currently WebOS is clearly on top in terms of usability and extensibility). On the downside, I do miss having video out and a microSD slot. Iirc only Asus officially offers USB host, but it's been provided on other devices thru their communities -- I trust WebOS community efforts will exploit the MicroUSB port.

Other cool things? Going supernOOb with JustType to have it figure out what app is best for what I need to find. Then in the next breath going supergeek and installing the UbuntuChroot environment, realizing that there are thousands of "apps" available, and firing up a full office suite (OpenOffice) in an Xwindow. My bet is that our second Touchpad will have Backtrack 5 on it within an hour of arrival.

Lack of apps? Not a problem. I find it hilarious when iPad-toting friends show me a "super awesome app" they paid $2 for... and its essentially a browser bookmark on the desktop. I'll take the Touchpad's skinny app catalog over iOS app store full of thousands of iLighter apps and paid-bookmark suckerware.

I find it interesting that the Touchpad converges both the best un-geeky grandma-friendly UI (besting even the vaunted iOS), while sweeping in vast tracts of uber-geeky tools and capabilities (lands once occupied by Maemo and MeeGo) into one unified experience.

This rocks. Go, HP, Go!

kansasron wrote:Appears to be some issue with that. Most Staples don't have the 16 GB version. Some (not all) will let you pay for it at the store with store shipping and use the $100 discount + $100 coupon. Same with Office Depot. Some will match the $100+$100. Some only $100 - especially if there is no Staples close. I am going to try OD right after work. If they won't go with the $200 total off will order it from Woot.

Went to Office Depot. No questions. They just verified the Staples coupon. Walked out with a 16 GB for $299.99 plus tax. Since I already had a 32 GB, wife is getting this one.

j5 wrote:Whelp, this here additional hunnert bux off coopon surely do.


Hyuk.

Yep. Hee hee! You's purely gots me dead to rights there. I gots me one a them Hay Zeus 12 point 1 inch tablets an' I can see that hunnert just as plain as the mason jar I gots here.

Uhhh... Ahem. But I'se corn-fused. We was talkin' 'bout iffen that there HP website could be squozen to give up an intire hunnert discount.

An' I'll be consarned iffen I kin figger out how to git this here kewpon onto that there web page.

An' now I gots my best glue all over my Hay Zeus.

-- Mister Ed

ivanivanovich wrote:Yep. Hee hee! You's purely gots me dead to rights there. I gots me one a them Hay Zeus 12 point 1 inch tablets an' I can see that hunnert just as plain as the mason jar I gots here.

Uhhh... Ahem. But I'se corn-fused. We was talkin' 'bout iffen that there HP website could be squozen to give up an intire hunnert discount.

An' I'll be consarned iffen I kin figger out how to git this here kewpon onto that there web page.

An' now I gots my best glue all over my Hay Zeus.

-- Mister Ed

Wellsir ya'll have a point. Mister O-riginal poster surely were cornfused, and mayhaps that there coopon is what was doin' the cornfusin. Seein' as how I ain't no ventricle-ist, I can't do the speakin' for 'im. So there y'are.

Where'd ya'll get that Hay Zeus Tablet from? Mr. Moses or sumthin?

--Mr. 5

filpenny wrote:Does this thingy do the netflix?

Lenovo K1 IdeaPad does Netflix RIGHT NOW. It upgraded itself about 24 hours out of the box, and boom, there was a Netflix widget. The quality depends on the speed of your connection, but there have been no problems for us.

Will woot giveaway a free Touchpad for most innovative comments ?

You may agree to disagree.. Here is my math on buying a Tablet.

HP Touchpad > Andoid (OS, GUI, Flash, Multi Tasking)
HP Touchpad > Ipad(HW, OS, GUI, Flash, Multi Tasking)
HP Touchpad < Android < Ipad (Apps)
HP Touchpad <= Ipad (Sexyness and Weight)
HP Touchpad > Android > Ipad (VPN Support)
HP Touchpad = Android = Ipad (Imp Games like Angry bird)
Now HP Touchpad > Android(Highend) > Ipad(Price)

ivanivanovich wrote:If you leave it set to Touchpad for Home and hit Buy from HP, you'll see both $399.99 and $449.99 and get the higher price in the cart. (Or, at least I did.)

If you click it over to TouchPad for Business, you should get it for $399.00. Ooh, 99 cents cheaper! :-)

-- Ed

Then click the Touchpad for Business button!

corfeld wrote:The OS, nice as it may be, means nothing without apps. It's only a foundation which is used to build a complete experience. We're talking about tablets. The general population buying tablets is looking for apps to give them an experience that's different from a computer. Any tablet will go online and pop up a functional web browser. If that's all that people wanted from tablets, then those garbage cheap-o Android tablets that sell for under $200 would be king of the market. It's the other stuff that draws people in. It's the variety of apps. WebOS fails in that regard. Apps sell devices, plain and simple. A tablet with apps will draw in more paying customers, which draws in more money that can be used to further develop the OS and the hardware, which will draw more app developers looking to get a piece of the action, which creates more apps. This is where WebOS is losing, and big time. They've got an abysmal selection that does not appeal to the general public. If sales suck, support will suck. App developers will abandon the platform, as they already have for the WebOS phones, and sales will continue to be flat. Eventually, the money necessary to further develop the platform dries up because it's not profitable and WebOS goes the way of PalmOS.

You rattle on about the virtues of apps but nobody can even explain what is so great about having a massive app selection. The quality of android apps is utterly horrible. I don't see why anyone would pay for utter garbage, and a huge majority of the free apps are the same exact way. I'd estimate less than 5% of android apps are worth installing, even temporarily. I guess you do have the luxury of choosing from over 500 different fart sound apps, but I don't really need that myself.

Tech journalists and IT guys that are completely disconnected from reality seem to think big 'app counts' mean something even though most users mainly just want the big name apps (facebook, twitter, netflix, pandora, that stuff). I have a feeling that tech bloggers and mindless IT nerds are scaring users away from platforms that are actually quite good due to what is essentially a religious belief not grounded in reality.

The app obsession seems to be a fad perpetrated by tech journo's completely absorbed in their small sector of reality. Once people get over the initial honeymoon period of owning a tablet (where they GOTTA HAVE THEM APPS), they go back to basically using it as a web browser and social networking device. This is the usage pattern I have witnessed amongst everyone I know who owns an iPad, myself included. It's only a matter of time before everyone has owned one of these devices and realizes how unimportant having *30,000* apps really is.

j5 wrote:Where'd ya'll get that Hay Zeus Tablet from? Mr. Moses or sumthin?

--Mr. 5

Boy, it's hard to write like my kin and neighbors talked 80 years ago. (Not including one grandfather who apparently sounded like the Swedish Chef.)

Interesting coverage plan that Moses had on those tablets. When he came back down the mountain with them, his people were acting up and not being all holy and whatnot.

Moses got so mad that he smashed the tablets. Then he had to replace them.

The warranty covered free replacement even in case of severe user abuse ... and an omniscient deity surely knew just what had happened to them.

But Moses had to walk all the way back up the mountain to get the new tablets and walk all the way back down again, carrying them.

No word as to whether he was ever again tempted to destroy them....

I got my Asus Eee Slate EP121 from the Bill & Bill Place, otherwise known as the friendly local brick & mortar Microsoft store.

Apparently I bought it right when MS was running out of them nationwide, and right before Amazaon relisted them at astonishingly higher prices.

-- Ed

jennethier wrote:Then click the Touchpad for Business button!

That would make sense, wouldn't it? :-)

The hope is that the Home & Home Office page will give the $100 discount and honor a $30-off coupon code.

The Business page does not honor either of the coupon codes that I know about.

-- Ed

roybotnik wrote:Tech journalists and IT guys that are completely disconnected from reality seem to think big 'app counts' mean something even though most users mainly just want the big name apps (facebook, twitter, netflix, pandora, that stuff). I have a feeling that tech bloggers and mindless IT nerds are scaring users away from platforms that are actually quite good due to what is essentially a religious belief not grounded in reality.

I pretty much agree with you about app counts. And I want it on the record that I don't have even one gas-passing application. Not on any of my handful of tablets.

What caught my eye was your mention of "scaring users away from platform*S*...."

WebOS and QNX? Something else?

-- Ed

Get it for only $300!! $399 plus $100 rebate at staples!

http://www.businessinsider.com/hp-touchpad-coupon-2011-8

crisss1205 wrote:Oh, and how am I supposed to write this CAPTCHA?

Duh, sation 本 書紀 of course.

aka sation honshoki

Kanji portion probably butchered from 日本書紀 aka nihonshoki, as Japanese has no spaces for word separation usually.

I could see why the last Kanji threw you off, sort of hard to decipher. (Not sure if I got that one straight either, I just looked the characters up.)

Woot'd this earlier today. We've looked at all of them and the comments here convinced us. Yeah, even the negatives.

I've got an Android phone with maybe 20 apps tops on it. I rarely use more than a couple any given week, so not too worried about the "lack" of a mega-huge app store.

Heck of a deal. I don't think this is HP having a fire sale; I think this is HP going after lots of buzz and gaining a community of users quickly. That's exactly what will make this tablet a success.

Coscto,even with their $100 off it is $20 higher priced at $399.99 and it's taxed. Tax is also paid to Staples.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11657930&search=hp0805&Sp=S&Mo=1&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=hp0805&Ntt=hp0805&ec=1&No=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1

I'm still getting an iPAD, just cuz I want it Lol.

sahilhanda wrote:for $300 at staples

Sarcasm nite for me.

I luv u peeps that have something brilliant to state and have yet to make a purchase on Woot. Lolololol.

Just curious if anyone out there has used BOTH the Asus and the HP tablet and what the Pros & Cons are of each and which one you think is better overall?

El Marko wrote:Woot'd this earlier today. We've looked at all of them and the comments here convinced us. Yeah, even the negatives.

I've got an Android phone with maybe 20 apps tops on it. I rarely use more than a couple any given week, so not too worried about the "lack" of a mega-huge app store.

Heck of a deal. I don't think this is HP having a fire sale; I think this is HP going after lots of buzz and gaining a community of users quickly. That's exactly what will make this tablet a success.

I agree with your thinking completely. It's nice to see some common sense on here.

I still want an iPAD and will have it soon. This is a great deal. I'm tired of compromising for a great deal though. I work hard for a very good living as many do, this time I'm getting exactly what I want without compromise. I am tempted to get both to compare them then hand over the least liked tablet to husband.........that might be an idea. I have over an hour to decide.

roybotnik wrote:
What the hell do you need so many apps for? You realize that most people just get on their computer and fire up a web browser? I am getting so sick of hearing this 'lack of apps' drivel coming from nerds. I have an iPad and I just bought one of these and could NOT CARE LESS ABOUT THE LACK OF APPS. I have purchased hundreds of dollars of 'apps' on my iPad and I might get a few moments of enjoyment out of them but for the most part they are just a waste of money. Probably 90% of these 'apps' are just fancied up front-ends to the same exact data you can access via the web. APPS ARE OVERRATED.

I want a touchpad because I want webOS. I wouldn't touch any Galaxy Tab or RIM garbage with a 10 foot pole. They have some of the worst interfaces in the history of personal computing. Not to mention how ridiculously buggy and terrible the software is. I don't get where this obsession with 'features' and 'apps selection' has come from, but it's repulsive and doesn't have anything to do with what average users actually want. It's unfortunate that some people actually get sucked into it and start to believe that it matters.

worldofjohnboy wrote:Wow, take a deep breath... Just because Apps are not your cup of tea, there are others that can't get through a day with certain essential apps that help them do their job or get through some other situation that life throws at you. We get it, you don't like apps... don't knock someone else because they do like apps and loads of 'em.

The upscaled tech at Verizon Wireless that sold me my $99 iPHONE [with the $100 discount altho that's not in effect anymore] has 117 apps on his iPhone not iPad. He said he uses 30 daily and regularly. He hasn't paid a dime for an app and told me how to shut down the apps before I had the phone in hand. To each their own roybotnik . Just cuz you don't use apps doesn't mean others don't. I'll be using lotsa them. I love certain apps.

MichXelle wrote:I agree with your thinking completely. It's nice to see some common sense on here.

I still want an iPAD and will have it soon. This is a great deal. I'm tired of compromising for a great deal though. I work hard for a very good living as many do, this time I'm getting exactly what I want without compromise. I am tempted to get both to compare them then hand over the least liked tablet to husband.........that might be an idea. I have over an hour to decide.

So did you buy it, huh? Huh? Huh? You know, you could still go to Staples, break in, take one of the Tablets, leave the special coupon, and go back tomorrow to pay for it if you want it cheaper than here or can't decide soon. It's not like anyone else has said much of anything about the coupon or special HP savings up until now....

fixed

After thinking about it for about 10 hours, I went ahead and got one. Here. I thought about a 32 GB instead, but ... I got cheap.

And I wish I'd seen this earlier:



The numbers reflect how many ads are served to mobile apps on phones. Or something like that. It might make more sense if you see the report yourself.

-- Ed

I'm not sure having a lot of apps is actually as big a differentiator as everyone keeps harping on. The question is will there be the right apps that service most of my needs and will they be supported. And equally important, will I be able to hear about and locate those apps that I am most likely to use. If the touchpad's app ecosystem releases a few high quality apps in the most important categories and they are easily found and distributed then quantity becomes a moot point. The question is really about support. Will webOS provide appropriate support to the ecosystem for the those apps that consumers most desire. One can get away with focusing on quality. The gamble is whether hp will focus on quality or quality curation. Curation is easier if you don't have many apps. Finally, figuring out better ways of informing consumers of apps they may enjoy is also a good way to go. I hate apple's distribution system. I need personalization. Of course, hp probably wont go this way, but searching a horrible system with fewer apps is less time consuming than slogging through mountains of crap to find an app I might like or find useful.

Batman4oz wrote:

Wouldn't a Netbook be more useful than a tablet? Can't they do pretty much everything tablets do, but more, since they have keyboards, storage, etc?

Just saying.

^^X^^

Wouldn't a laptop be more useful than a netbook? How can you get the netbook concept but not get the tablet concept?

Here's the deal - smaller, lighter, easier to use. Less of what you don't need and less issues. Compromises to be sure, but convenience makes up for a lot of the compromise.

You have a desktop to do the serious work. The laptop or netbook is a backup. The tablet is for fun. Dopey quick games, movies, music, RSS feeds, facebook, IM, SMS, ebooks, everything you can do on a phone, but with more space.

If you're happy with your phone, then tablets are probably not for you. But if you want a little more, than tablets are an option.

Personally, I prefer the smaller form factor. The 7 inch models are far more suited to my needs and less cumbersome. The HTC Flyer is my own idea of state of the art.

As for the cheapo Android units for under $200? They don't have capacitive touch screens, so they are next to useless for anything other than consuming media. Typing is tedious, and selecting items without a stylus next to impossible.

If you missed out on this deal, the Touch Pad is $399 everywhere this weekend. In addition, I believe that Staples has a coupon for an additional $100 off. If that coupon has expired, my apologies for mentioning this.

Free lifetime 50 GB/Month Box.net cloud storage? Sign me up

Wow, they only sold 612 of these?

Last wooter to woot: scaevola
Last purchase time: 11:59:29 PM Central Time
Order pace: 2m 21.125s
Woot wage: $15,839.08
Woots sold: 612

filpenny wrote:Does this thingy do the netflix?

There's no app for it yet, but it may be possible to watch netflix with the browser. I've never tried it so I can't verify whether this method works.
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/288449-touchpad-browser-problem.html

Amazon, Crackle, and Hulu videos play well in the browser. It's simple to create a launch icon which is almost as good as an app.

This is a real thinking person writing...not a sheep.

roybotnik wrote:You rattle on about the virtues of apps but nobody can even explain what is so great about having a massive app selection. The quality of android apps is utterly horrible. I don't see why anyone would pay for utter garbage, and a huge majority of the free apps are the same exact way. I'd estimate less than 5% of android apps are worth installing, even temporarily. I guess you do have the luxury of choosing from over 500 different fart sound apps, but I don't really need that myself.

Tech journalists and IT guys that are completely disconnected from reality seem to think big 'app counts' mean something even though most users mainly just want the big name apps (facebook, twitter, netflix, pandora, that stuff). I have a feeling that tech bloggers and mindless IT nerds are scaring users away from platforms that are actually quite good due to what is essentially a religious belief not grounded in reality.

The app obsession seems to be a fad perpetrated by tech journo's completely absorbed in their small sector of reality. Once people get over the initial honeymoon period of owning a tablet (where they GOTTA HAVE THEM APPS), they go back to basically using it as a web browser and social networking device. This is the usage pattern I have witnessed amongst everyone I know who owns an iPad, myself included. It's only a matter of time before everyone has owned one of these devices and realizes how unimportant having *30,000* apps really is.

$370
EDIT: EBAY DAILY DEAL $350 free shipping from established seller with over 84,000 positive feed backs! 99.2% rating. Ebay Item number 310336733970

EDIT 2: Bought it at my local Staples for $399 minus $100 off coupon for $318 including tax.

New: HP TouchPad 10" 16GB WiFi WebOS Tablet for $370 + free shipping via next-day
HP Home & Home Office offers the 15.9-oz. HP TouchPad 9.7" 16GB Touchscreen Internet Tablet with WebOS, model no. FB355UA#ABA, for $399.99. Coupon code "SAVE30HP" cuts it to $369.99. With free shipping via next-day shipping. Posted on dealnews 08/06/11.
Sorry Woot but 3 better deals on this item is hurting your rep.

gilfOG wrote:I wanted to like this, but it's too bad it got SHAMEFUL reviews.

Not shameful reviews, they seem to say it was slow but the update fixed that. the major problem seems to be the apps aren't here yet, but they will be. You have to see that some reviewers had an agenda.

sahilhanda wrote:for $300 at staples

they seem to be out of stock at all staples. i wonder if they will have them after the sale ends

just tried to get one916) but the guys said they are sold out across the country..cant get..this sux..should have did it yesterday...dont wont to spend the extra for 32g..i'll just hold off for now i guess.grrrrrrrrrrrrr

stevemacdad wrote:they seem to be out of stock at all staples. i wonder if they will have them after the sale ends

YEP, that is how that store operates. Big sale, but ALWAYS no inventory, so you lose. I have done this WAY too many times, when will i learn?

But really, i have stopped shopping at Staples about 6 years ago (even for my basic needs), I just got too tired of their phony ads. But i decided to try for this (since it had been a long time) at two of their stores, both told me that they could not sell this because they were out of stock everywhere, they would not even take back orders (big news!).

This is why I purchase everything online now.

I attempted the Staples dealeo...they refused the coupon, saying somebody fubarred the coupon, promotion. It was supposed to be an either/or deal.

really cool

http://www.hermesebuy.com

The kindle app is terrible you can't even load mobi format books on your machine and make them work. There is literally a total of about 10 games available on the app store. The pre apps run in a mini window and don't even scale like in the new iterations of honeycomb. You could be on T1 connection and your browser would still load slow and lag heavily on this thing. I am not impressed at all.

I do enjoy the build quality, speakers, sound, OS, and syling of the unit.

However it's a fingerprint magnet, the USB port area is suspect for cracking and chipping from cable insertion, the rotation is glitchy, I guess the fanboys of this tablet are incapable of seeing how utterly bad this thing is from a end user standpoint.

I am still gonna peruse the homebrew stuff and see what I think of that but 48 hours into ownership SON I AM DISAPPOINT!

shadow7118 wrote:Wow, they only sold 612 of these?

Last wooter to woot: scaevola
Last purchase time: 11:59:29 PM Central Time
Order pace: 2m 21.125s
Woot wage: $15,839.08
Woots sold: 612

Yeah, that was my first reaction when I saw the total as well.

IMHO yes, the speed has something to be desired, but if you put a TouchPad into developer mode and reset things to minimal logging, it gets a LOT more responsive. Makes me think that they've decided to log everything so they can fix issues at the expense of creating an issue by doing so.